Good news /bad news

Frank the tank

Ian Huntley has had his throat cut / It's not life threatening

brin

Yup, the person who did it could have been a national hero, never mind, only a matter of time.

Stewie Griffin

I was reading that at my Mums earlier and she told me that one of the local scumbags who is in prison was done with boiling water and sugar recently, get some sh!thead. It wasnt the sh!thead that killed Toni Ann Byfield though, am sure he isnt having a good time anyway.

RockyHopperShow

It's strange how you can become numb to a lot of these crimes because there are so many of them nowadays unfortunately. But reading that Huntley was attacked brought the Soham case back, and with that the suffering of those two little girls and the prolonged (but ultimately futile) hope/worry for those poor parents. The reports of the abuse and final murder of Baby Peter was too much for me to read at times. I have to say it, and I respect the views of those who don't agree, but why aren't we stringing these b*st*rds up with piano wire? We know who committed these crimes, there is no reasonable doubt.

rjh299

RockyHopperShow wrote:

It's strange how you can become numb to a lot of these crimes because there are so many of them nowadays unfortunately. But reading that Huntley was attacked brought the Soham case back, and with that the suffering of those two little girls and the prolonged (but ultimately futile) hope/worry for those poor parents. The reports of the abuse and final murder of Baby Peter was too much for me to read at times. I have to say it, and I respect the views of those who don't agree, but why aren't we stringing these b*st*rds up with piano wire? We know who committed these crimes, there is no reasonable doubt.

Who wouldn't agree with that?
Bout time they brought death penalty back

on the road

It's not a good idea trying to kill him because they will just be giving him the easy way out, don't forget that he tried to kill himself once or twice before. The best option would be to let him live but to make his life a living hell for as long as he lives.

bigmat

Not sure we should be applauding an attack by one scumbag on another arguably slightly worse scumbag. It'll all just cost us in the long run as taxpayers. And I for one would be against stringing people up with piano wire - I'd like to live in a civilised society and I don't consider the death penalty to have any place in one.

cee

rjh299 wrote:

RockyHopperShow wrote:

It's strange how you can become numb to a lot of these crimes because there are so many of them nowadays unfortunately. But reading that Huntley was attacked brought the Soham case back, and with that the suffering of those two little girls and the prolonged (but ultimately futile) hope/worry for those poor parents. The reports of the abuse and final murder of Baby Peter was too much for me to read at times. I have to say it, and I respect the views of those who don't agree, but why aren't we stringing these b*st*rds up with piano wire? We know who committed these crimes, there is no reasonable doubt.

Who wouldn't agree with that?
Bout time they brought death penalty back

After some careful consideration recently (due to a number of horrible cases and discussions with other people)......

I wouldn't agree with that. I do not agree with bringing back the death penalty.

Bunneh

They won't bring back the death penalty due to 'human rights' - imo these people aren't human, thus have no rights and need burning.

Westerberg

MatHammond wrote:

Not sure we should be applauding an attack by one scumbag on another arguably slightly worse scumbag. It'll all just cost us in the long run as taxpayers. And I for one would be against stringing people up with piano wire - I'd like to live in a civilised society and I don't consider the death penalty to have any place in one.

+1, why don't these hangers and floggers toddle off to live in Saudi if they wish for this kind of society?

spen666

RockyHopperShow wrote:

... why aren't we stringing these b*st*rds up with piano wire? We know who committed these crimes, there is no reasonable doubt.

Hmmm


lets see now you've killed some on e and killing someone is wrong so we are going to kill you- oh then because we've killed you, someone will have to kill us......

spen666

RockyHopperShow wrote:

... We know who committed these crimes, there is no reasonable doubt.

Pretty much what the Judge said to the Guilford 4 when sentencing them and telling them they'd have hung if he had the power

Stefan Kisko and many others were told the same.

remember there can be no rreasonable doubt if anyone is convicted yet many innocent people are convicted

Percy Vera

The government should make prison a prison rather than a 5 star luxury hotel with all the mod cons.

redddraggon

I don't have liberal views. But I wouldn't agree with the reinstatement of the death penalty, no matter how clear cut the guilt was.

Lock them up, make them do manual labour, ask them to volunteer for body armour testing, whatever.

Smokin Joe

Percy Vera wrote:

The government should make prison a prison rather than a 5 star luxury hotel with all the mod cons.

Where do people get this crap?

ride_whenever

howabout labour camps?

a productive and cost effective penal system.

Pross

redddraggon wrote:

I don't have liberal views. But I wouldn't agree with the reinstatement of the death penalty, no matter how clear cut the guilt was.

Lock them up, make them do manual labour, ask them to volunteer for body armour testing, whatever.

Agree completely (other than perhaps the body armmour testing ). We have vast areas of countryside that need tidying up, grafitti to be cleared and our authorities lack money to do anything about it so why not get convicted criminals doing these jobs? The only reason I've heard against it is "human rights". To my mind a convicted criminal gives up many of the human rights that the law abiding among us have. I also can't believe that prisoners may get the vote as it infringes their human rights not to have it. Yes, there are some basic human rights that even the lowest of scum have to have in a civilised society but many of the "rights" we have should be considered as concessions and be taken away from those that abuse them.

finchy

Pross wrote:

Agree completely (other than perhaps the body armmour testing ). We have vast areas of countryside that need tidying up, grafitti to be cleared and our authorities lack money to do anything about it so why not get convicted criminals doing these jobs? The only reason I've heard against it is "human rights".

Who said that?

Personally if I were a prisoner I'd prefer to be outside in the countryside (or even town) clearing litter than stuck in a prison cell all day.

I agree with you though, they should be forced to clear litter. And also get any of the filthy gobshites who make a mess of our country to join them.

You get caught dropping litter, you've got to clear 100 kg. That'll teach 'em.

on the road

Pross wrote:

I also can't believe that prisoners may get the vote as it infringes their human rights not to have it.

I'm not sure if that's true :?

oscarbudgie

I was told recently by what I think is a reliable source that Peter Sutcliffe is now allowed out of his secure hospital to go and get his paper every morning.

daviesee

I am not sure how I feel about the outcome.

When he is gone he will no longer be a drain on a society that he could not be rehabilitated into (it was not the first offence that he was caught with) but a lifetime of beatings and constant reminders of how much he is hated seems fair in my eyes. Imagine, some lag has decided "getting" him is more important than a possible parole!

Human rights?
Can someone please explain exactly what they are?
Seriously :?

LittleB0b

rjh299 wrote:

Who wouldn't agree with that?

I'm very happy to go on record as thinking that no one should be stringing anyone up with piano wire

So i guess i wouldn't agree

ride_whenever

LittleB0b wrote:

rjh299 wrote:

Who wouldn't agree with that?

I'm very happy to go on record as thinking that no one should be stringing anyone up with piano wire

So i guess i wouldn't agree

Even consensually? :twisted:

blu3cat

As Ghandi said

"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind."

No, the death penalty does not act as a deterrent (how many people are on death row in the US for example).

blackpanther

No Death penalty we can be far more creative in punishment than that.

Periodic sensory depravation. sometimes with pain or waterboarding, sometimes with nothing.

not constantly but enough to live in constant fear that it might start again.

in other words make these people live in a constant state of fear and constant stress but make sure they live for a long time.

Isolation, humiliation, environmental discomfort, mental cruelty. whatever just keep evolving so theres no plateau in pain and if they ever become sub human enough that it ceases to be as effective help them get a little bit better.

Obviously if theyre a massochist this might be heaven not hell but done properly there will be no enjoyment just a wearing sense unhappiness and despair. An insight into the suffering theyve caused.

Smokin Joe

Unfortunately blackpanther, most of the people who would be willing to carry out those punishments are themselves already locked up for similar crimes.

Heckler1974

Introduce waterboarding and torture for crimes considered 'inhuman' so we can all partake as a society in the barbaric inhumaness we purport to condemn and punish with the waterboarding and torture.

Pross

on the road wrote:

Pross wrote:

I also can't believe that prisoners may get the vote as it infringes their human rights not to have it.

I'm not sure if that's true :?

What aren't you sure is true? There were items on the news in recent weeks that the UK is considering allowing prisoners the vote following a European ruling in favour of a prisoner on the basis that denying him the vote contravenes his Human Rights.

http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/fulham-and-hammersmith-news/local-fulham-and-hammersmith-news/2010/03/22/inmates-may-vote-in-hammersmith-election-race-82029-26085112/

and an older one

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5126647/Prisoners-to-get-right-to-vote-after-140-years-following-European-ruling.html

and one from a 'left of centre' source in case I get accused of being a right wing Daily Mail reader

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2009/apr/09/should-prisoners-get-vote

rick_chasey

RockyHopperShow wrote:

It's strange how you can become numb to a lot of these crimes because there are so many of them nowadays unfortunately. But reading that Huntley was attacked brought the Soham case back, and with that the suffering of those two little girls and the prolonged (but ultimately futile) hope/worry for those poor parents. The reports of the abuse and final murder of Baby Peter was too much for me to read at times. I have to say it, and I respect the views of those who don't agree, but why aren't we stringing these b*st*rds up with piano wire? We know who committed these crimes, there is no reasonable doubt.

Violent crime in the UK is at it's lowest its ever been.

Violent crime has been largely in decline over the past 60 years.

It just gets reported better.

timb64

LittleB0b wrote:

rjh299 wrote:

Who wouldn't agree with that?

I'm very happy to go on record as thinking that no one should be stringing anyone up with piano wire

So i guess i wouldn't agree

+1
Whilst I would personally want revenge on anyone harming a relation/friend I think it's wrong for the State to carry it out on my behalf.
Our justice system is far from perfect and the execution of one innocent outweighs the cost of locking up the guilty and throwing away the key.The prolonged incarceration of Huntley ,Sutcliffe etc who are forever looking over their shoulder must be a worse fate than a quick clean death.

rick_chasey

blackpanther wrote:

No Death penalty we can be far more creative in punishment than that.

Periodic sensory depravation. sometimes with pain or waterboarding, sometimes with nothing.

not constantly but enough to live in constant fear that it might start again.

in other words make these people live in a constant state of fear and constant stress but make sure they live for a long time.

Isolation, humiliation, environmental discomfort, mental cruelty. whatever just keep evolving so theres no plateau in pain and if they ever become sub human enough that it ceases to be as effective help them get a little bit better.

Obviously if theyre a massochist this might be heaven not hell but done properly there will be no enjoyment just a wearing sense unhappiness and despair. An insight into the suffering theyve caused.

Your posts increasingly remind me of that army store guy nick in the film falling down.