Hi, I'm Kate McCann......

blister pus

I don't think anyone, including the Mcann's, don't know they fooked up big time making the decision they initially made and it's the one decision that will torture both of them till the day they die, especially her. Which is why pointing fingers and rubbing it in their face serves no purpose. It's serious fook ups all round from their part and from an ill equipped police department. It's a genuine human fook up nightmare story that anyone could find themselves in due to lapse of judgement / stupidity, in a word, being human.

Bottom line's kid's missing, dead or alive (likely alive and sold) and you're left with a couple grieving with a an empty space where there used to be a cute little girl.

It's just sad.

Northwind

sheepsteeth wrote:

youre missing the point northwind, your kids asleep in the house in which you live and in which you are present is about as safe as they can be.
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No, I'm not missing the point at all, what I'm taking issue with is "they never have and never will be left in a situation where they could be abducted. " or your "allow it to be in a situation where it could be abducted." Now, your later post makes more sense but that's not what you were saying earlier, and it's not what Cat said either.

Anonymous

if i ever have a child abducted i will come back and admit im wrong but until then i maintain it is posible to avoid putting your kids in situations which will end up with them being taken.

i think i see the world differently to everyone else perhaps. maybe its due to the way i was raised and later employed.

oh and as easy as it is for many kids to walk off when your back is turned, i dont remember ever running off from my folks cause i would have been given the beating of a lifetime.

Northwind

sheepsteeth wrote:

if i ever have a child abducted i will come back and admit im wrong but until then i maintain it is posible to avoid putting your kids in situations which will end up with them being taken.

There's a big, big difference between never putting them in a dodgy situation, and making it completely impossible for something bad to happen to them, is what I'm saying here. And even if it were possible to do the latter, it'd be cotton-wool wrapping paranoia.

Anonymous

Northwind wrote:

sheepsteeth wrote:

if i ever have a child abducted i will come back and admit im wrong but until then i maintain it is posible to avoid putting your kids in situations which will end up with them being taken.

There's a big, big difference between never putting them in a dodgy situation, and making it completely impossible for something bad to happen to them, is what I'm saying here. And even if it were possible to do the latter, it'd be cotton-wool wrapping paranoia.

but i believe by making sure they dont end up in dodgy situations that they are safe, as far as i can tell, everything stems from a dodgy situation having arrisen so by avoiding those, everything comes up aces.

maybe im missing the point and to be fair i havent got any kids so thats entirely possible.

Northwind

sheepsteeth wrote:

as far as i can tell, everything stems from a dodgy situation having arrisen so by avoiding those, everything comes up aces.

I guess that's what I'm getting at, the stereotype is of bad parents "letting" their kid be stolen, and assuming that "our darling Maddy" was really kidnapped at all, that's exactly what happened. But it's not the only way kids are taken.

But thankfully, child abduction is pretty rare in the UK. In most cases it's a family member.

blister pus

sheepsteeth wrote:

if i ever have a child abducted i will come back and admit im wrong but until then i maintain it is posible to avoid putting your kids in situations which will end up with them being taken.

This is the obvious benchmark that any sane responsible parent will aim.

sheepsteeth wrote:

i think i see the world differently to everyone else perhaps. maybe its due to the way i was raised and later employed.

The only thing you've not catered for is people's capacity to switch off and go into lala land, particularly when in holiday mode - and that's where your job comes in. you're trained to not switch off - which is why you'll struggle with what happened in the mcann's case I would have thought.

Anonymous

blister pus wrote:

The only thing you've not catered for is people's capacity to switch off and go into lala land, particularly when in holiday mode

i think this is exactly why i have such issue with the possibility that a child can be taken, i forget, mainly because ive never been in the situation myself, that its probably quite easy for people to have lapses of concentration with their kids, or maybe they see situations differently perhaps and dont consider the same things as me to be dangerous.

i dont mean to sound like i am gods gift to child safety or owt, i havent got any kids and i dont know first hand the true hard work that comes along with it.

i do wonder if anyone here would leave their bike in a situation where it is likely to get stolen? id be very suprised and as far as im concerned (again, in my limited knowledge of how these things work) looking after a disciplined and well behaved child should be no more difficult than looking after any other prized possession.

Downwardi

I thought Mr Mccann went back to work afterwards ?
Anyway bearing in mind their occupations they could have sold their massive house and downsized a bit to add to the fund.

It all seems that due to their middle classness they got a hell of a lot of media attention.

blister pus

sheepsteeth wrote:

i do wonder if anyone here would leave their bike in a situation where it is likely to get stolen? id be very suprised and as far as im concerned (again, in my limited knowledge of how these things work) looking after a disciplined and well behaved child should be no more difficult than looking after any other prized possession.

I wish I could find the post but there was one very recent case (General?) I think the couple had stopped off at a trail centre cafe and left the bikes outside with all the others and one of the bikes was substituted for an apollo - along those lines, my memory is shite. So people do switch off and do walk about in lala land sometimes. People do make costly mistakes and have to live with the consequences.

cat_with_no_tail

sheepsteeth wrote:

blister pus wrote:

The only thing you've not catered for is people's capacity to switch off and go into lala land, particularly when in holiday mode

i think this is exactly why i have such issue with the possibility that a child can be taken, i forget, mainly because ive never been in the situation myself, that its probably quite easy for people to have lapses of concentration with their kids, or maybe they see situations differently perhaps and dont consider the same things as me to be dangerous.

i dont mean to sound like i am gods gift to child safety or owt, i havent got any kids and i dont know first hand the true hard work that comes along with it.

i do wonder if anyone here would leave their bike in a situation where it is likely to get stolen? id be very suprised and as far as im concerned (again, in my limited knowledge of how these things work) looking after a disciplined and well behaved child should be no more difficult than looking after any other prized possession.

This is it isn't it, you'd never go out and forget that your garage door was wide open with your bike in plain sight, but even if you did, the consequences are much less severe than leaving your small child alone while you go off having a nice time.

I wasnt saying I would make it impossible for my kids to be abducted. Sadly, some things are out of our control. But I CAN make sure I take every reasonable precaution to make sure this does not happen.

This is what I dont get about the McCanns. They bang on about how their kids mean everything to them, but Maddie clearly meant less to them than a night out with friends. My family is everything to me, going out and leaving either of my kids alone is simply not an idea I would entertain even for a fraction of a second. You give shlt up for your kids, that's just a fact. If you're not willing to do that, you really REALLY shouldn't have kids at all.

blister pus

And like I said before, judge all you like but people fuck up, switch off and mistakes happen. some mistakes are more costly than others.

cat_with_no_tail

blister pus wrote:

And like I said before, judge all you like but people fark up, switch off and mistakes happen. some mistakes are more costly than others.

I'm not doing a very good job of explaining myself here.

People do make mistakes, course they do. I dropped our first daughter when she was about 10 weeks old. Then I left our second on the bed while I went to turn her bath off and she rolled off the end. (hope social services arent reading this)

Accidents happen, but in my opinion, there's a difference between an accident and neglect. Dropping a kid is an accident, leaving a kid alone in an unsecure hotel room is neglect. I understand that you are saying it's just a momentary lapse in judgement, but my point is that's not the sort of lapse in judgement a parent should ever make. Your kids are ALWAYS at the forefront of your mind, in everything you do. Also, this isn't just a momentary lapse in concentration on one parents behalf. Both of them decided that it was ok to do this.

Don't tell me that you honestly believe that this is the first time she was left alone in this way.

77ric

blister pus wrote:

And like I said before, judge all you like but people fark up, switch off and mistakes happen. some mistakes are more costly than others.

if you switch off, and leave your bike in an open garage unlocked, yeah you'll be pissed off when it's gone.

if you switch off when a child is involved it's a different matter. we're not talking about being in a supermarket and you turn round to reach something off of a shelf and your kid wandering off. we're talking about leaving your child alone without any adult supervision while you go out (ie. another building) and have a meal and get trolleyed with friends. that is not switching off, that is not giving two f*cks about your child, and that is exactly what the McCanns did, and for that they should be rotting in a portuguese prison cell.

stumpyjon

I'm with the two above posts, we all cock up with our kids from time to time but what the McCanns did was premeditated. To be honest I have two kids and the thought of them being abducted from a hotel room if I left them on their own wouldn't have been very high on my list of worries. I wouldn't have left them on their own in case they hurt themselves, woke up in the night to find themseleves alone (our 18 month old can wake up unconsolable sometimes), hurt each other. The whole abduction thing is a complete smoke screen, there's a hundred and one other very valid reasons for not neglecting your kids so you can enjoy yourseleves.

Which is why pointing fingers and rubbing it in their face serves no purpose

Totally disagree, they should be punished, they should have been prosecuted. It's only because she was abducted they haven't been which is a bit perverse, those women that go on holiday and leave their kids get into serious trouble even though their kids don't end up dead. And it might make a few of the other worthless scum parents out there who put their love of alcohol / good times above the welfare of their kids think twice.

blister pus

Cat With No Tail wrote:

I'm not doing a very good job of explaining myself here.

People do make mistakes, course they do. I dropped our first daughter when she was about 10 weeks old. Then I left our second on the bed while I went to turn her bath off and she rolled off the end. (hope social services arent reading this)

Accidents happen, but in my opinion, there's a difference between an accident and neglect. Dropping a kid is an accident, leaving a kid alone in an unsecure hotel room is neglect. I understand that you are saying it's just a momentary lapse in judgement, but my point is that's not the sort of lapse in judgement a parent should ever make. Your kids are ALWAYS at the forefront of your mind, in everything you do. Also, this isn't just a momentary lapse in concentration on one parents behalf. Both of them decided that it was ok to do this.

But it's a semantics game at the end of it. lapse in judgement / sh!t judgement / neglectful / wilfully neglectful draw the line where you see fit (and people will and have). But It still serves no purpose judging them or rubbing their noses in sh!t after the fact. There is nothing anyone can say or do to make them feel any worse about the situation than they already do themselves. They have to live that nightmare 24/7 - 365 with no respite. Did they think for one minute that Maddie would be taken and kidnapped? Of course not. I'm no-one to p!ss on someone's eternal misery, especially looking at the mother, she looks haunted.

Cat With No Tail wrote:

Don't tell me that you honestly believe that this is the first time she was left alone in this way.

I can't remember the facts behind that but I'm pretty sure that was a frequent holidaying area for them that they knew well and where they felt 'secure' and 'cocooned' enough from reality to make sh!t decisions and live in lala land.

blister pus

stumpyjon wrote:

I'm with the two above posts, we all fool up with our kids from time to time but what the McCanns did was premeditated. To be honest I have two kids and the thought of them being abducted from a hotel room if I left them on their own wouldn't have been very high on my list of worries. I wouldn't have left them on their own in case they hurt themselves, woke up in the night to find themseleves alone (our 18 month old can wake up unconsolable sometimes), hurt each other. The whole abduction thing is a complete smoke screen, there's a hundred and one other very valid reasons for not neglecting your kids so you can enjoy yourseleves.

Which is why pointing fingers and rubbing it in their face serves no purpose

Totally disagree, they should be punished, they should have been prosecuted. It's only because she was abducted they haven't been which is a bit perverse, those women that go on holiday and leave their kids get into serious trouble even though their kids don't end up dead. And it might make a few of the other worthless scum parents out there who put their love of alcohol / good times above the welfare of their kids think twice.

Same reply to you, as above.

cat_with_no_tail

blister pus Not going to bother quoting all the above again, but I agree with your last post. As you say, it's a semantics thing, one persons lapse in judgement is another persons neglect. And however we look at it as outsiders, they are the ones who have to live with the consequences of their actions, deliberate or not.

77ric

blister pus wrote:

But It still serves no purpose judging them or rubbing their noses in sh!t after the fact. There is nothing anyone can say or do to make them feel any worse about the situation than they already do themselves.

i disagree, with that, you are ofcourse entitled to your opinion on the matter, and i mine. just answer this for me, had things been slightly different, and instead of being abducted, madeline had got up, shoved her fingers into a wall socket, and was electrocuted but left alive, should they be punished for child neglect?

blister pus wrote:

I can't remember the facts behind that but I'm pretty sure that was a frequent holidaying area for them that they knew well and where they felt 'secure' and 'cocooned' enough from reality to make sh!t decisions and live in lala land.

no sorry but a shit decision would have been "lets leave the kids while we go and get rat arsed" crossing the street and saying "you know i'm not sure about this lets go back".

what they did was negligent, they knew what they were doing, now either they didn't think about what could happen (abduction may well have not been on their list of consequences, but what about accidents) which i don't believe, they were doctors after all or they simply didn't give a f*ck

unless of course the kids were sedated and they thought that negated any risk, in which case a whole new can of hurt is going to be opened

77ric

Cat With No Tail wrote:

blister pus Not going to bother quoting all the above again, but I agree with your last post. As you say, it's a semantics thing, one persons lapse in judgement is another persons neglect. And however we look at it as outsiders, they are the ones who have to live with the consequences of their actions, deliberate or not.

not semantics, a lapse of judgement is not deliberate. neglect is deliberate.

blister pus

It's semantics because it makes no real world difference. You choose to draw your line where you like for your own reasons.

77ric

blister pus wrote:

It's semantics because it makes no real world difference. You choose to draw your line where you like for your own reasons.

no it is not semantics, a lapse of judgement may lead to the same thing, but it is still a lapse, ie a moment in which judgement is suspended by mistake. ie, you nip out to the car to get a cd from the glove box, leaving your children alone for a minute or 2.

the McCanns wilfully left there children alone to go out and have a fucking meal, that is neglect, and there is a clear difference.

blister pus

77ric wrote:

blister pus wrote:

It's semantics because it makes no real world difference. You choose to draw your line where you like for your own reasons.

no it is not semantics, a lapse of judgement may lead to the same thing, but it is still a lapse, ie a moment in which judgement is suspended by mistake. ie, you nip out to the car to get a cd from the glove box, leaving your children alone for a minute or 2.

the McCanns wilfully left there children alone to go out and have a ******* meal, that is neglect, and there is a clear difference.

If you say so. Best way to test this is bring a private prosecution against them if you want blood and are so incensed about it all.

Anonymous

i am curious as to how the mccanns have been spared public outrage over their responsibility for the incident, i would have imagined the world would be going beserk over it but i cant remember seeing anything of the sort

77ric

blister pus wrote:

If you say so. Best way to test this is bring a private prosecution against them if you want blood and are so incensed about it all.

and we already know that social services aren't interested in this, hence why the McCanns still have their twins. why is that? it's because people like yourself have fallen for the media playing the McCanns have done, and would be outraged with the social services for not taking children from drug addict parents.

Daz555

Regardless of whether the parents are at fault or not they have been punished in the harshest possible manner already in the loss of a child. As a father I know that losing one of my children would be the ultimate in pain - nothing could compare.

blister pus

77ric wrote:

blister pus wrote:

If you say so. Best way to test this is bring a private prosecution against them if you want blood and are so incensed about it all.

and we already know that social services aren't interested in this, hence why the McCanns still have their twins. why is that? it's because people like yourself have fallen for the media playing the McCanns have done, and would be outraged with the social services for not taking children from drug addict parents.

I said fuck all about social services. I said bring a private prosecution against them. put your money where your mouth is. see what the outcome is. easy enough, see a lawyer Monday.

77ric

blister pus my point is my bringing of a private prosecution would achieve nothing. their children will not be removed from them and placed in a loving and caring home and they would not be punished for child neglect/abuse.

colintrav

El Capitano wrote:

colintrav wrote:

sheepsteeth wrote:

......and leaving windows open was my idea.

Have you noticed that parents that plea to the camera end up being found guilty of the crime ...

IMO tin foil hat , conspiracy theory

One of the parents gave the kids sleeping tablets which the eldest took a reaction to and died during her sleep which the parents found and removed the body before the other kids had woken up and drove umpteen miles afterall the car they had was a hire car drove a buried the body far from resort possibly in the hills .. and after the daughter was reported missing the following day the father still went for his tennis lesson ..


And I heard a there is a who dunnit weekend at the resort ..

I have always maintained (and still do) that the parents are guilty Maddie's death. Look at the mother's eyes, especially in the early interviews, she wouldn't look the interveiwer or camera straight in the eye. She has obviously been coached/trained to now do this.

I also think there's something going on between Mrs McCann and Robert Murat, who again, I believe helped the McCann's dispose of the body.

It would also be interesting to find out, just how much money the McCann's have 'made' out if Maddie's disappearance?

Mr McCann whom is a doctor can't afford to have the reputation tarnished because he stupidly gave his daughter an overdose possibly whilst under the Influence .. ..

Hence the both of them playin the greiving card ...

And how many other missing kids got excessive airtime and coverage ... When you take into consideration the kids murderd by Robert Black .. It wasn't no where as like the maddie saga ...

And you had some sad cunt selling wristbands .. as well .

cat_with_no_tail

Aliens did it!

I know this because a leprachaun told me.