Old Firm Derby

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  • zippypablo
    zippypablo Posts: 398
    Smokin Joe wrote:
    holmeboy wrote:
    bobtbuilder wrote:
    Come on - it's two very mediocre sides in an otherwise dire league of football. They might as well toss a coin for the league.

    Both teams would struggle to avoid relegation in the EPL.

    Both Rangers and Celtic have been in European Cup Finals in recent times, how many EPL teams have?
    That's only the Micky Mouse cup though where English clubs field their reserve teams, and both clubs can prepare properly for European matches by coasting through their own league where a lot of their opponants would struggle in League two down here.

    Most of Rangers and Celtic's matches are gimmes against low quality opposition.
    what a load of pish. When Celtic got to the final they played some decent teams including a full strength Liverpool.
    If suffer we must, let's suffer on the heights. (Victor Hugo).
  • Smokin Joe
    Smokin Joe Posts: 2,706
    Ben6899 wrote:
    holmeboy wrote:
    bobtbuilder wrote:
    Come on - it's two very mediocre sides in an otherwise dire league of football. They might as well toss a coin for the league.

    Both teams would struggle to avoid relegation in the EPL.

    Both Rangers and Celtic have been in European Cup Finals in recent times, how many EPL teams have?

    Three.

    United, Chelsea, Arsenal.
    Make that five with Liverpool and Middlesborough.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Smokin Joe wrote:
    Ben6899 wrote:
    holmeboy wrote:
    bobtbuilder wrote:
    Come on - it's two very mediocre sides in an otherwise dire league of football. They might as well toss a coin for the league.

    Both teams would struggle to avoid relegation in the EPL.

    Both Rangers and Celtic have been in European Cup Finals in recent times, how many EPL teams have?

    Three.

    United, Chelsea, Arsenal.
    Make that five with Liverpool and Middlesborough.

    Thanks. I'm rather embarrassed to have missed those! :oops:
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  • bobtbuilder
    bobtbuilder Posts: 1,537
    holmeboy wrote:
    bobtbuilder wrote:
    Come on - it's two very mediocre sides in an otherwise dire league of football. They might as well toss a coin for the league.

    Both teams would struggle to avoid relegation in the EPL.

    Both Rangers and Celtic have been in European Cup Finals in recent times, how many EPL teams have?

    Rangers or Celtic rarely even make the knockout stages of the Champions League!

    In the group stages they just stick 10 men behind the ball and pump hopeful long balls at a single striker. Then they end up with a "plucky" 1-0 loss.

    Didn't Celtic only manage 1 point away from home in the Champions League in about 3 years?
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    bobtbuilder wrote:
    Come on - it's two very mediocre sides in an otherwise dire league of football. They might as well toss a coin for the league.

    Both teams would struggle to avoid relegation in the EPL.

    Keep hearing this...

    Also keep hearing how easy it would be to score in a Mickey Mouse league.

    Ask Robbie Keene :roll:

    Outside the top 6-8, The EPL is way poorer than the media would have it. Both class and cash. And some of the top 8 aren't doing too well financially either I believe. £800 million debt!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    I thing Celtic and Rangers would both struggle to get out of the English championship the way they are playing at the moment.
    Smarter than the average bear.
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    antfly wrote:
    I thing Celtic and Rangers would both struggle to get out of the English championship the way they are playing at the moment.

    I agree.

    So would Portsmouth, Burnley, Hull, Wolves, Wigan, Bolton, Sunderland, Blackburn and Stoke.
    You may notice that I left out West Ham but I think they play decent football.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • Spender45
    Spender45 Posts: 78
    I can't understnd why we are only talking about the bigot brothers here. There is only one Scottish team who have won two European trophies. 8) Surely thats a far better demonstartion of success?

    Ah perhaps the issue that we haven't won a game for eight matches and are generally pish might have someting to do with it. :cry:

    Perhaps if those two naffed off to England or Ireland (or wherever they want to be) with their cash then the rest of us might have a chance of creating some decent football.

    They are overrated and the fans wouldn't stay around when they started to get beaten by the lower English teams.
  • tarquin_foxglove
    tarquin_foxglove Posts: 554
    antfly wrote:
    I thing Celtic and Rangers would both struggle to get out of the English championship the way they are playing at the moment.

    We (Middlesbrough) are proving that theory at the moment. :wink:

    TBF to the Queen's Celtic and the Pope's O'Rangers the money they have to attract players is pitiful. Strachan was reported as saying he knew he had taken Celtic as far as he could when they couldn't compete with the wages offered to a player by a mid ranking Championship team and the player chose them instead of Celtic.

    If they came down to the Championship, getting 40k fans week in week out & the TV money, they would be able to attract better players and so would get promoted. In the PL the financial advantage of 40k fans would lessened but no doubt in time they would get into the 2nd tier of Spurs, Villa, etc.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    TBF to the Queen's Celtic and the Pope's O'Rangers the money they have to attract players is pitiful. Strachan was reported as saying he knew he had taken Celtic as far as he could when they couldn't compete with the wages offered to a player by a mid ranking Championship team and the player chose them instead of Celtic.

    Are you brave, stupid or suicidal? :shock:
  • Smokin Joe
    Smokin Joe Posts: 2,706
    Pross wrote:
    TBF to the Queen's Celtic and the Pope's O'Rangers the money they have to attract players is pitiful. Strachan was reported as saying he knew he had taken Celtic as far as he could when they couldn't compete with the wages offered to a player by a mid ranking Championship team and the player chose them instead of Celtic.

    Are you brave, stupid or suicidal? :shock:
    No, he's another fan of The Fiver :wink:
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Ah, had never even heard of The Fiver before :lol:
  • holmeboy
    holmeboy Posts: 674
    Spender45 wrote:
    I can't understnd why we are only talking about the bigot brothers here. There is only one Scottish team who have won two European trophies. 8) Surely thats a far better demonstartion of success?

    Ah perhaps the issue that we haven't won a game for eight matches and are generally pish might have someting to do with it. :cry:

    Perhaps if those two naffed off to England or Ireland (or wherever they want to be) with their cash then the rest of us might have a chance of creating some decent football.

    They are overrated and the fans wouldn't stay around when they started to get beaten by the lower English teams.

    Just shows what can be achieved with a decent manager, whatever happend to him anyway? Think he's managing some cash rich foriegn team now with a few Englishmen in it ,ain't he?
  • tarquin_foxglove
    tarquin_foxglove Posts: 554
    tarquin_foxglove wrote:
    I'm a boro fan and I thought Mowbray would struggle in his first year as he was bound to replace Strachan's battlers (little did I know I'd end up watching most of them) with a 'more cultured' type of footballer and he wouldn't be able to attract good enough ones to guarantee the wins by playing football and he wouldn't want/be able to descend to the Walter Smith's level and bully his way to victories against the smaller teams.
    Isn't it great when pro's agree with you...
    Tony Mowbray wrote:
    "Rangers have been very consistent - they haven't lost four goals in any game,"

    "They set up differently - maybe that's the way to go.

    "Maybe it isn't a league for trying to force the game and be expansive - maybe it is a league for playing defensive, negative football and having quality up front to counter-attack."
    Stopped clock & all that... :wink:
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    Is that how St Mirren gave them a thrashing, by playing negative football ?
    It sounds like Mowbray has a touch of the Wengers about him.
    Smarter than the average bear.
  • carrock
    carrock Posts: 1,103
    I think he's on his way

    Some disgruntled fan has hacked into Mowbray's wikipedia page and wrote he's a slebbery wee bawbag who should go back to Middlesborough
  • sheepworryingbhoy
    sheepworryingbhoy Posts: 167
    I believe Tony Mowbray's departure will be announced later today & Neil Lennon announced as caretaker manager for Saturdays game. While it deeply saddens me to see any Celtic manager leave under such a dark cloud I would rather TM departs now before Ross County humiliate us in the Scottish cup semi-final. :cry:
  • Spender45
    Spender45 Posts: 78
    Rangers have no money and yet can win (most of the time :lol: ) and Celtic have money but can't win. Why don't they just merge and then the weegie press would implode as they would only have one team to write about. Everyone wins
    :lol:
    Or perhaps they could keep writing about "crisis hit Dons"
  • Roscobob
    Roscobob Posts: 344
    I think I'll stick a tenner on Utd to win the Scottish.

    Unfortunately, managers that want to play great football don't seem to cut it up here. If Tommy Burns couldn't do it then Mowbray had no chance.
  • -spider-
    -spider- Posts: 2,548
    sheepworryingbhoy wrote:
    I believe Tony Mowbray's departure will be announced later today & Neil Lennon announced as caretaker manager for Saturdays game. While it deeply saddens me to see any Celtic manager leave under such a dark cloud I would rather TM departs now before Ross County humiliate us in the Scottish cup semi-final. :cry:

    We still will.....
    -Spider-
  • sheepworryingbhoy
    sheepworryingbhoy Posts: 167
    -spider- If we can't win the cup I hope the mighty County do!
  • -spider-
    -spider- Posts: 2,548
    sheepworryingbhoy wrote:
    -spider- If we can't win the cup I hope the mighty County do!

    We were the better team against the Hibees by a long way - but Celtic, even playing badly - will be some result!
    -Spider-
  • pedylan
    pedylan Posts: 768
    -spider- wrote:
    sheepworryingbhoy wrote:
    -spider- If we can't win the cup I hope the mighty County do!

    We were the better team against the Hibees by a long way - but Celtic, even playing badly - will be some result!

    ICT knocked us out of the Scottish cup not once but twice. I'm taking nothing for granted - not even Mowbray's departure but the odds on him staying have got to be lenghthening.
    Where the neon madmen climb
  • -spider-
    -spider- Posts: 2,548
    pedylan wrote:

    ICT knocked us out of the Scottish cup not once but twice. I'm taking nothing for granted - not even Mowbray's departure but the odds on him staying have got to be lenghthening.

    We're way better than Caley.
    -Spider-
  • sheepworryingbhoy
    sheepworryingbhoy Posts: 167
    Tony Mowbray has now left Celtic.
  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    David O'Leary ?

    good with bringing youngsters through, took inexperienced side into champions league reaching semis ?
  • Smokin Joe
    Smokin Joe Posts: 2,706
    northernneil wrote:
    David O'Leary ?

    good with bringing youngsters through, took inexperienced side into champions league reaching semis ?
    Only by spending money leeds didn't have and nearly bankrupting them. I hope you do appoint him then West Ham won't be tempted to give him the job when Zola goes.
  • sheepworryingbhoy
    sheepworryingbhoy Posts: 167
    Good managers are thin on the ground at the moment & the Celtic board will be terrified of making such a big mistake again.
    Mowbray has tried to resign twice this season already, the board persuaded him otherwise. I think when Scotland started sounding out Craig Leiven Celtic should have cut thier loses & gone for Leiven.
    I think Roy Keane with Neil Lennon as assistant is a possability for next season however I think someone slightly more emotionally detached from Celtic would be a better choice.
  • Smokin Joe
    Smokin Joe Posts: 2,706
    They'd be bonkers to appoint Keane. He might get away with his hard man performance with struggling championship sides, but the type of players Celtic need to challenge in Scotland and progress in Europe wouldn't stand for it unless he had outstanding coaching ability - which he hasn't.

    One of these guys who will end up managing a number of low end teams till his reputation is no longer enough to keep him in a job - another Souness.
  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    Smokin Joe wrote:
    northernneil wrote:
    David O'Leary ?

    good with bringing youngsters through, took inexperienced side into champions league reaching semis ?
    Only by spending money leeds didn't have and nearly bankrupting them. I hope you do appoint him then West Ham won't be tempted to give him the job when Zola goes.

    he didnt sign the cheques Ridsdale did that !

    the core of his squad cost nothing, harte, kelly, smith, bowyer, kewell etc etc

    something he would have to do at Celtic,

    it cost them £2M in compensation last time - he would cost them nothing and lets be honest no 'top' manager is going to touch them

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