Indonesia Bike Scam

ozietatts

Hey guys just a reminder to all NOT to bother buying from Indonesia if your after bike parts.

I've done some research on scammers and out of 10 companies I enquired about, every single one was a fraud.

They are very sneaky and use broken English to work their way around questions. One particularly bad (or good if you look at it that way) scam Involved counterfeit DHL shipping receipts which even DHL themselves were very impressed with the quality of the fake.

NEVER pay up front for anything unless you do it by credit card. At least then if nothing turns up Mastercard or Visa will cover you where as if you pay by Direct debit or Western Union you might as well just throw your money away.
A legitimate company will never ask you to pay by Western union it is an un-traceable form of transfering money.

If you do want to have a go at purchasing something, ask for Cash on Delivery (COD) and offer to pay for the postage or at the most pay 20% of the total. NEVER pay the full amount as thats just going to leave you broke and angry.

Google search any contact details they give you. If the name, phone number or address appears in numerous businesses or in forums such as these check all details as you will probably find they're serial scammers under quite a few different names and addresses but will often have the same contact number.

To give you an example of how I find a Scam


I searched Shimano groupsets on the sites www.alibaba.com, www.diytrade.com and www.ec21.com (never trust anyone offering to sell you bike parts from these sort of b2b sites from Indonesia or Malaysia as they're fakes 99% of the time)

found a supplier in this case Farid Sport Club in Indonesia

asked to purchase FSA wireless SRM and Zipp wheels at 400 US each (warning number 1if its a really low price its always to good to be true)

received an email direct from Farid Suhandi saying that I could buy them, if I transfered western union he would send straight away (Warning number 2, legitimate businesses never ask to do cash transfers)

Tracked IP address to Medan, Indonesia

Asked for photos of products. Photos of the same item from an Ebay Auction were sent (Warning number 3, always check the product before you pay and image search in google to make sure the pic you were sent doesn't show up numerous times)

Asked very detailed questions about crank length, BB cup thread etc. and Farid didn't have a clue how to answer, just avoided questions (Warning number 4, most scammers know a bit about product but the more you know the better, do your homework and ask really detailed questions)

Organised to pay 20% of total before items sent and balance when I received a copy of Shipping confirmation

Shipping confirmation came in as a rough jpg and forwarded it on to DHL to have a look and trace all codes (Warning number 5, Scanning or faxing an invoice makes changing certain details very easy. NEVER trust them no matter how authentic they look)

DHL confirmed docket was tampered with and the address, details of shipment, price and tracking code were all changed to suit my order while still looking very authentic

Contacted Farid to say it wasn't a real shipping order and then he threatened to take me to the police/court (Warning number 6, Scare tactics are very popular, if they think you have found them out they will try scare you into being quiet so anyone else they are scamming or planning to scam at the time will not realise the scheme and send money)



SOME SIMPLE RULES

*IF IN DOUBT CHECK IT OUT, LOOK UP ADDRESSES, PHONE NUMBERS ETC
*IF THE PRICE IS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT IS
*IF CERTAIN DETAILS DON'T LINE UP OR THEY CHANGE THERE DETAILS, REALLY CHECK THINGS OVER EG. BANK ACCOUNT NAME DIFFERANT TO COMPANY OR CONTACT NAMES
*NEVER TRANSFER VIA WESTERN UNION OR DIRECT DEPOSIT
*DON'T TRUST FREE EMAIL ADDRESSES SUCH AS MSN, GMAIL ETC.
*FIND SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAS DEALT WITH THEM BEFORE
*DON'T TRANSFER FULL AMOUNT STRAIGHT AWAY
*AVOID COUNTRIES LIKE INDONESIA AND MALAYSIA
*IF YOU FIND A FRAUD POST ALL THERE DETAILS ON HERE SO PEOPLE WHO SEARCH THERE DETAILS WILL FIND THEM
*PAYPAL DOESN'T PROTECT YOU FROM SCAMMERS IF ITS A MONEY TRANSFER

My fraud finds include

Farid Suhendi aka...

Business: Farid Sport Club
Name of bank account : IRFAN KURNIAWAN
Address: Jln. Adam Malik No.45
City:: Medan
Country: Indonesia
Ph: +62 61 77907745
farid.sportclub@live.com;
This was the fake DHL guy and ebay photos


Alex Darma
Jensos bikes
Address : Jl. Kramat Pela I 8
Kebayoran Baru, Jakarta Selatan
INDONESIA 12160
jensosbike@gmx.com
+6221 37523506



Contact Point: Jefri Kamalatama

Company: Cv Kampret Shimano

Address: 20 Benoi Sector, Jurong Town, Singapore

Postal code: 629852

Country: Singapore

Phone: 65-6265-5888
This guy has the address to Shimano Singapore but traced his IP address to Jakarta, Indonesia

cv.kampretjaya@live.com;

EVEN LEGITIMATE LOOKING WEBSITES ARE FAKE, YOU'LL NEVER SEE YOUR MONEY OR THE PRODUCT AGAIN

www.shoptehnikusaha.com
www.kartika-chandra.com
www.aganimstore.com


If anyone is a genuine seller or knows of one please contact me and I will be happy to deal with you and encourage others to do the same. If your on any of these lists and wish to prove you are legitimate please contact me.
If you have any questions or more frauds please post them and help others before they get scammed. Happy hunting.

guinea

So, did you lose 20% of the total price?

Great post.

ozietatts

Ive lost quite a bit in deposits, shipping etc so really make sure you do the background on companies. Luckily im not one of these people they really fool into buying up front.
Also something I left out, Never do the minimum buy they say always just ask for one item, quite a few will say they have a minimum buy of ten or five which is crap its just their way of making more money out of you

Zipp 404 minimum buy 10 @ $650.00US = you $6500.00 poorer

tadebu

Does anyone have any experiece with Indonesian company " DUNIA WHEELS PT "
Please let me know !!!!

STEFANOS4784

Yes they will refund you 20 million dollars if you buy their pedal powered cylematic :roll:



Mug born every minute :roll: :arrow:

Gypsum_Fantastic

tadebu wrote:

Does anyone have any experiece with Indonesian company " DUNIA WHEELS PT "
Please let me know !!!!

A cursory google turned up this

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/107 ... r_New.html

Are they based in indonesia - Check
Is there a minimum order volume - Check
Do they want payment via untraceable means - Check

Anyone else spotting a pattern here?

tadebu

A cursory google turned up this

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/107 ... r_New.html

Are they based in indonesia - Check
Is there a minimum order volume - Check
Do they want payment via untraceable means - Check

Anyone else spotting a pattern here?

They are based in Indonesia !
There is no minimum order ! ( want to order Zipp 202, 404, 606 and Reynolds all by 1 Pair or pc. )
Yes, they want wire transfer !!
So ?

rolf_f

There quite clearly is a minimum order.

As for 'So' - I think what Gypsum Fantastic is getting at is that you'd be off your trolley to even consider using that website but if you want to pay a price that seems too good to be true then go ahead but please promise to post your tale of woe when you don't get anything!!

Please say you've not sent them any money........

Gypsum_Fantastic

tadebu wrote:

So ?

That's a pretty terse response there dude, are you the seller or have you wired cash over to Indonesia and you're feeling rather foolish right now?

Either way it doesn't affect me. If you want to throw your money away then be my guest however might I suggest rather than anonymously wiring it to the other side of the world in the vain hope someone will send you some fancy kit, give it to a local charity. That way you'll have a warm glow inside rather than the gnawing hollow feeling of being conned.

Peace

dennisn

tadebu wrote:

A cursory google turned up this

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/107 ... r_New.html

Are they based in indonesia - Check
Is there a minimum order volume - Check
Do they want payment via untraceable means - Check

Anyone else spotting a pattern here?

They are based in Indonesia !
There is no minimum order ! ( want to order Zipp 202, 404, 606 and Reynolds all by 1 Pair or pc. )
Yes, they want wire transfer !!
So ?

Wasn't it Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves?

tadebu

You convinced :oops: me!
I am not paid anything yet, but those giving to charity has given me think!
Thank you all! :oops: :oops:

indolegit

Has been a fact that Indonesia has listed as one of biggest country for internet fraud and scam along with Nigeria,Pakistan and Romania. We aware that this criminality does not only harm the businessmen from the foreign countries, it harms also the reputation of the Indonesian legit business in the world.

Therefore, we are currently building a list of recent Indonesian fake company/business. If you lately have been scammed or have any information regarding the Indonesian scammer, kindly submit their details on our website :

http://www.indolegit.com

Help us to free Indonesia from internet fraud and scams. And help others to avoid scam from and to Indonesia. Lets establish future healthy online business environment for everyone.

MikeyR

I foolishly lost US$2500 on this site. They certainly spent a lot of time & effort to set things up to look very professional. Unfortunately once I sent the money all contact ceased, the funds were removed and the rest (as they say) is history and a lesson learned.

www.winbike88.com

Sales Manager: Tony Lung
Jl Mandala By Pass 88
MEDAN - 20227
INDONESIA
Office Phone : +62 61 69687966
Contact Email : sales@winbike88.com

term1te

indolegit wrote:

Has been a fact that Indonesia has listed as one of biggest country for internet fraud and scam along with Nigeria,Pakistan and Romania. We aware that this criminality does not only harm the businessmen from the foreign countries, it harms also the reputation of the Indonesian legit business in the world.

Therefore, we are currently building a list of recent Indonesian fake company/business. If you lately have been scammed or have any information regarding the Indonesian scammer, kindly submit their details on our website :

http://www.indolegit.com

Help us to free Indonesia from internet fraud and scams. And help others to avoid scam from and to Indonesia. Lets establish future healthy online business environment for everyone.

Anyone been brave enough to follow the link?

Scrumple

Don't eat yellow snow.

indo fred

Term1te wrote:

Anyone been brave enough to follow the link?

Yes sir, me sir.

DEEP BUSINESS VERIFICATION
Service Cost USD $95 - by Paypal
Deeper investigation towards an Indonesian business or company which will include : company profile and company background check, physical address and assets inspection, and company documentation. Better and more reliable result within 3 days of maximum verification period.

What was that quote?
If it quacks and waddles it ain't an elephant.

Seriously.
Indonesia is a poor country new to the internet and a lot of technology. Internet scammers are finding their feet here as home internet become more available for home use but I'm guessing a lot are still using internet cafes.
Setting up a dotcom site out here is simple and cheap so don't be fooled into thinking a good looking web address is any sign of them being on the level. It ain't.

US$95 is about twice what a poor family live on per month out here to give you an idea of scale.
Now for the positive. Indonesia is cheap and things are getting easier to get.
I'm new to this mountain bike thing having just bought myself a toy for cheap, convenient transport and a bit of fun so I'm no expert but I am a quick learner.
I just picked up a set of LED lights for Rp50,000 at retail.
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
Not sure about postage cost but I would expect even air mail to not be too lousy.
I would be interested to know how that compares to prices in your country (Where ever that may be).
I should explain I'm looking for a bit of light work out here and small order exporting may just fit the bill for me. I mentioned it's cheap to live out here so I don't need a great deal to live easily.

indo fred

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... =IOV4PLPZ1

These are 20 quid in Halfords but have next day delivery.
I must work out the postage cost. I know I can't do delivery in less than 10 days but I think I can do cheaper for better. Watch this space.

torino5

Hello
I have ordered a bike from a Indonesian Internet company:
references below:
http://adventuresport.asia/home.php
Jl . Pulo Brayan Darat No.77
Medan - North Sumatera
Indonesia - 20239
Office Phone : +62 61 69619943
Contact Email : sales@adventuresport.asia

After paying 420$ for shipping costs as requested, they are asking for additional money for import taxes, without proceeding, as promised, to the expedition via DHL (I declaired I'm ready to pay to the courier after bike receipt). Asking for having the money back, the answer was negative! Beware of this company

indo fred

You do have to be very careful of Indonesian companies.
There is a general attitude out here of screwing that extra little bit out of a customer.

Assuming you paid by card you should be OK but, for those that do buy out here, make sure you get a final price and confirm there will be no extras of any sort.

alanschachter

Is www.su-trisno.com legitimate?

whattheheck

Ozzietatts,

You are right about Kartika-chandra.com being on the scam list.

They have ripped me off over $1100 for a bike frame they never sent.
I couldn't use a credit card on their site so I foolishly sent them a bank transfer.
After that they emailed saying there was a problem with the order and please be patient. Then they replied to my next mail saying they will deliver in 2-3days once I have paid.
I've rang them several times and every time just get "Hello" in English then silence.

So, now I'm wondering why Google and other web search engines haven't shut out these guys off the internet already? Not enough proof?

Lillywhite

The answer is never to deal with any outfit based in Indonesia/Far East.
I will only deal with UK based companies who have an address/phone number where I can use my Visa card and always check them out first.

rdt

We have amazingly strong consumer protection laws in the UK. Seems people have taken all this stuff completely for granted and assumed the whole world works like this. Wake up!

Rockhopper

I get loads of scam emails and i often wonder why they bother sending them out, surely people can't be stupid enough to keep falling for them.
This thread has shown me that yes, there are people out there who fire off money by untraceable means to companies they have never heard of in the hope of getting a bargain.

synchronicity

:shock:

I usually deal with one of the following trusted sites.

Europe:
www.totalcycling.com
www.chainreactioncycles.com
www.wiggle.co.uk
www.probikekit.com
www.evanscycles.com
www.ribblecycles.co.uk

USA:
www.excelsports.com
www.nashbar.com
www.performancebike.com
www.competitivecyclist.com
www.jensonusa.com
www.biketiresdirect.com
www.pricepoint.com
www.coloradocyclist.com

(sorry to those not mentioned)

whattheheck

By the way Kartikachandra.com never sent me out any scam mails, and I never bother reading scam mails anyway. Instead, I was innocently bikeframe hunting for a particular model and came across their website and noticed what i thought was a good bargain. This is the first and hopefully the last time I get taken for a ride.

TheDawg

bikesandyou@yahoo.com
These dudes claim that they are in th UK and offer a range of bikes that you wouldnt believe at prices even more unbelievable.
They want you to pay using western Union. I refused. Next followed the attempt to make me feel guilty. har har. That didnt work.
Next was Moneygram. I refused and said 50% now, 50% on delivery. hmmm ok they said - a dude by the name of Munks Jayson.
details given were not for him but one Daniel Alan located in Fulham.
the names dont match said I. Dont worry says he. Errr no
I then tried to get their bank account details as I said I would use only TT
After 5 days of trying I did.
Here they are
NAME OF BANK: AM

ACCOUNTANT NUMBER:52674885000674

ADDRESS: JOJO BETINA.WENDY.

SWIFT CODE: ARBKMYKL.

BANK ADDRESS:8 JALAN YAP KWANSENG,KUALA LUMPUR
MALAYSIA.

Be wary guys :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

saintdracula

Term1te wrote:

indolegit wrote:

Has been a fact that Indonesia has listed as one of biggest country for internet fraud and scam along with Nigeria,Pakistan and Romania. We aware that this criminality does not only harm the businessmen from the foreign countries, it harms also the reputation of the Indonesian legit business in the world.

Therefore, we are currently building a list of recent Indonesian fake company/business. If you lately have been scammed or have any information regarding the Indonesian scammer, kindly submit their details on our website :

http://www.indolegit.com

Help us to free Indonesia from internet fraud and scams. And help others to avoid scam from and to Indonesia. Lets establish future healthy online business environment for everyone.

Anyone been brave enough to follow the link?

I was; Google protected me from the malware.

Utter Pieces of ****.

Brian-Mc

alanschachter wrote:

Is www.su-trisno.com legitimate?

SCAM SCAM SCAM!
no https for putting details in. create a hotmail account and then order. I bet you'll get the Western Union/Bank transfer option. a P3 for $1699 too good to be true.

Buckled_Rims

Warning

Is it me who thinks all these low numbered posters are from the same person?

Once you start to look, it's easy to spot the similarities.

desmosedici

TheDawg wrote:

NAME OF BANK: AM

ACCOUNTANT NUMBER:52674885000674

ADDRESS: JOJO BETINA.WENDY.

SWIFT CODE: ARBKMYKL.

BANK ADDRESS:8 JALAN YAP KWANSENG,KUALA LUMPUR
MALAYSIA.

The bank exists. Just round the corner from my office. Dunno about the account though.