Soreen Malt Loaf ..........Peanut Butter ..?
JimmyK
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Been doing a bit of research on cycling nutrition and avoiding hitting the wall.
I keep reading that butterred malt loaf or peanut butter sandwiches are tops for maintaining energy levels. As far as power bars or energy gels go........yuk !! and just not for me. I eat loads of pasta meals but am considering buying peanut butter and malt loaf for fridays ride.
Whats the chain of thought, do these products actually work ?
I saw a pic of toasted brown bread with peanut butter and chopped bananas in it, sounds very tasty too
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works pretty well, a lot of fat though.
Try to get a decent peanut butter than has nothing other than peanuts and salt!0 -
It will work, but will be a very slow-releasing energy source. Fat (peanut butter) & Protein slow down digestion and malt loaf is full of starchy carbohydrates, which give you energy slowly.
If it was all I was taking out with me, i'd start eating it within the first hour because of this.
I think peanut butter & banana sandwiches are a good compromise as bananas can give you some pretty fast energy. I'd maybe stick some jam in there too, for an extra boost if you're really bothered about not hitting the wall.0 -
Soreen is excellent on its own, no need to combine it with fatty peanut butter - it's high in complex carbs, has some protein to promote slower release of those carbs, and a small amount of fat. Perfect!0
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a pocket full of dates and dried apricots work just as well. no mess, easier to carry and easier to eat while riding...0
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how many hours before ride would you start eating the soreen ?0
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Eat it during the ride. I'm good for up to 80 miles with a few cereal bars and some malt loaf. Dried fruit is also good, as softlad suggests. I've used figs before on long rides, I don't particularly like them but they do work.
Take an energy gel out with you as an emergency, and only use it if you really need it. Normal food should be fine for training, but the gel will get you home if you do 'bonk'.
I would have thought peanut butter sandwiches would be better to eat after a ride.0 -
i hear ya on the dried fruit, my mouth aint exactly watering at the thought of eating it either0
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so..........on a 50 miler, what quantity of malt loaf would you guys bring out with you ?0
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Probably one or two slices. You don't need a huge amount of food for that sort of mileage IMO, for that I would probably have 2 fruit bars and a gel as a fall back. Just have a meal before you go out.
If I go out in the morning, I have cereal for breakfast, get on the bike with a couple of bars and ride. I will not use all that energy up, as well as the stored energy in the body in 50 miles, even if ridden very hard.0 -
JimmyK wrote:so..........on a 50 miler, what quantity of malt loaf would you guys bring out with you ?
I wouldn't bring any out - never have. Just stuff like dates, apricots, bananas, fig rolls a few cocktail sausages (yes, really) or cereal bars like Nutrigrain Elevenses - all washed down by a proper carb drink like PSP22.
If you fancy getting you and your jersey covered in sticky malt loaf while you're riding, then that's up to you.0 -
"If you fancy getting you and your jersey covered in sticky malt loaf while you're riding, then that's up to you."
What? I find it very easy to eat on the bike, doesn't make much mess at all. Couple of slices for 50 miles, bit of butter maybe and wrap in tinfoil or clingfilm, stick it in yer jersey. Not a problem.0 -
softlad wrote:JimmyK wrote:so..........on a 50 miler, what quantity of malt loaf would you guys bring out with you ?
I wouldn't bring any out - never have. Just stuff like dates, apricots, bananas, fig rolls a few cocktail sausages (yes, really) or cereal bars like Nutrigrain Elevenses - all washed down by a proper carb drink like PSP22.
If you fancy getting you and your jersey covered in sticky malt loaf while you're riding, then that's up to you.
i was perplexed by your last statement too softlad.
i walked to the garage and ive come back with a rich fruit malt loaf, i cut a slice off and put some flora lite on it and was expecting to go YUK !! at the taste. But shiver me timbers , it tastes lovely
I picked up a packet of dried dates for a look, reminded me of rabbit turds and looked just about as appealing , packet went back on shelf.
if i go out sat morning and have a couple of bananas and a slice of the malt loaf , and bring 2 more slices wrapped in clingfilm plus an isotonic drink.......do you think that would be enough petrol in the tank for a 50 miler ?0 -
Yes, but eat a decent breakfast first. Something slow-release like porridge, muesli or wholemeal bread. Take a couple of bananas and a bif of malt loaf with you, should do the job.
I don't understand this obsession with energy drinks etc, most of us don't live in the middle of nowhere, if you get that deperate stop at a garage and buy some Lucozade or something! If you want to ride further, eat properly and train hard, your endurance should develop naturally. I'm sure I didn't need to tell you that though 0 -
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my isotonic drink costs 48p a bottle at tescos i wouldnt spend any more than that. 0 -
SBezza wrote:Probably one or two slices. You don't need a huge amount of food for that sort of mileage IMO, for that I would probably have 2 fruit bars and a gel as a fall back. Just have a meal before you go out.
If I go out in the morning, I have cereal for breakfast, get on the bike with a couple of bars and ride. I will not use all that energy up, as well as the stored energy in the body in 50 miles, even if ridden very hard.
Probably not even that much to be honest, although I guess it depends on when you ride and what you've eaten beforehand. Most of my training rides are in the morning so I'll have had a good breakfast sometime prior. Maybe an hour or 2 before. I can do 50 miles in around 2.40 to 2.45 so going on the basis you only really have about 1.5 to 2 hours of glycogen on a full load, I can do 50 with 2 drinks and 1 banana, or maybe 1 homemade flapjack.
On longer rides I'll bring more and on Sportives even more. Types of food varies but not because one is better than the other, I just get sick of eating the same stuff after a while. Start off well hydrated, and immediately start nibbling the slow release stuff so it's ready for later.0 -
JimmyK wrote:softlad wrote:JimmyK wrote:so..........on a 50 miler, what quantity of malt loaf would you guys bring out with you ?
I wouldn't bring any out - never have. Just stuff like dates, apricots, bananas, fig rolls a few cocktail sausages (yes, really) or cereal bars like Nutrigrain Elevenses - all washed down by a proper carb drink like PSP22.
If you fancy getting you and your jersey covered in sticky malt loaf while you're riding, then that's up to you.
i was perplexed by your last statement too softlad.
i walked to the garage and ive come back with a rich fruit malt loaf, i cut a slice off and put some flora lite on it and was expecting to go YUK !! at the taste. But shiver me timbers , it tastes lovely I picked up a packet of dried dates for a look, reminded me of rabbit turds and looked just about as appealing , packet went back on shelf.
if i go out sat morning and have a couple of bananas and a slice of the malt loaf , and bring 2 more slices wrapped in clingfilm plus an isotonic drink.......do you think that would be enough petrol in the tank for a 50 miler ?
Put some Flora Lite on it??!!
Lurpak my friend, always Lurpak on malt loaf.
I used peanut butter and jam sandwiches for my tea for evening races last year - very tasty and I could eat them while riding out straight from work, followed by a couple of slices of malt loaf, washed down with some high 5 carb drink.
For a 50 mile ride, I would just take some water/squash and an energy bar or two. I would have had some breakfast before anyway (cornflakes usually), and that would suffice. I got a box of wild berry high 5 bars, taste sh*** so it discourages you from eating more than one anyway.
That would do me for a hard 50 mile training ride. 0 -
2.35 - 2.40 is my 50 mile pace too, i wont go into avg speed cos reddragon will accuse me of being related to freehub again
one thing i have noticed is, ive eaten 2 slices of the malt loaf with flora lite in the last 90 minutes, and boy you can feel it lie in your stomach.......kinda like a nice pint of guinness floating around in there. Is this because it breaks down slower or something ?
ill be out on a 50 on saturday morning and it will be interesting to see what effect the malt loaf has on my ride.......hope its not too bloody windy like it is today 0 -
sampras38 wrote:SBezza wrote:Probably one or two slices. You don't need a huge amount of food for that sort of mileage IMO, for that I would probably have 2 fruit bars and a gel as a fall back. Just have a meal before you go out.
If I go out in the morning, I have cereal for breakfast, get on the bike with a couple of bars and ride. I will not use all that energy up, as well as the stored energy in the body in 50 miles, even if ridden very hard.
Probably not even that much to be honest, although I guess it depends on when you ride and what you've eaten beforehand. Most of my training rides are in the morning so I'll have had a good breakfast sometime prior. Maybe an hour or 2 before. I can do 50 miles in around 2.40 to 2.45 so going on the basis you only really have about 1.5 to 2 hours of glycogen on a full load, I can do 50 with 2 drinks and 1 banana, or maybe 1 homemade flapjack.
On longer rides I'll bring more and on Sportives even more. Types of food varies but not because one is better than the other, I just get sick of eating the same stuff after a while. Start off well hydrated, and immediately start nibbling the slow release stuff so it's ready for later.
That is very true, but it is better to take food with you, just in case.
For the OP, I have done 50 miles in 2 hours with only a few sips of an energy drink. If you are properly hydrated and feed before the ride, you don't need much at all.0 -
JimmyK wrote:2.35 - 2.40 is my 50 mile pace too, i wont go into avg speed cos reddragon will accuse me of being related to freehub again
one thing i have noticed is, ive eaten 2 slices of the malt loaf with flora lite in the last 90 minutes, and boy you can feel it lie in your stomach.......kinda like a nice pint of guinness floating around in there. Is this because it breaks down slower or something ?
ill be out on a 50 on saturday morning and it will be interesting to see what effect the malt loaf has on my ride.......hope its not too bloody windy like it is today
Most of my 50's are hilly and I'll usually do a few hills repeats too, so on the flat I could quite easily go quicker than my usual.0 -
JimmyK wrote:
i was perplexed by your last statement too softlad.
I picked up a packet of dried dates for a look, reminded me of rabbit turds and looked just about as appealing , packet went back on shelf.
nothing to be perplexed about, Jimmy. As you said yourself, maltloaf weighs heavy on your gut and takes a while to digest. As for 'rabbit turds' - you must have some pretty big rabbits round your way - but seriously, who gives a fck what it looks like...?0 -
There's no-one that loves Soreen more than me, whenever it's on offer at Tesco I buy in bulk because I get through at least 5 bars a week! However, I can't stand it as on-bike food - I find it takes ages to eat (especially if it's cold, in which case you'll need the jaws of a t-rex), and I need loads of liquid to wash it down. Before a ride it's top stuff, but on the bike I'll stick to bananas and jelly sweets - that's just me though.0
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I agree, it's too hard to digest for an on the bike fuel source. Better off sticking to stuff like dates, bananas and simple sugars on the bike. Eating foods that require a fair bit of digestion will just divert blood to your stomach and hurt performance.
Used to buy it all the time, but got bored of it, so haven't had it in a while. It's top notch toasted with some flora or PB on it though...0 -
when i used it on saturday , as the need for food top up arose , i pulled into a layby and took out a sandwich bag from my windproof jacket . i removed a slice of malt loaf with flora on it and downed it with water....very tasty. i found it no biggie to use out on the road at all.0
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I tried Dr Alan Lims snack stuff. 1 croissant, cut in half, 1 side cream cheese, salty ham in the middle and jam on the other side. Put together, wrap in foil, excellent. 0
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OMG soreen FTW. I live on this stuff as a snack. The lincolnshire plum one is ace. Little less goooey.0
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Anyone use fig rolls on the bike, particulalry for Sportives?
Small and easy to pop in the mouth whole.
I'll also use homemade cakes, sandwiches, and mule and Clif bars cut in half so I can eat half every half an hour or so.0 -
JimmyK wrote:when i used it on saturday , as the need for food top up arose , i pulled into a layby and took out a sandwich bag from my windproof jacket . i removed a slice of malt loaf with flora on it and downed it with water....very tasty. i found it no biggie to use out on the road at all.
but you had to stop - which kind of defeats the object of eating while on the bike....0 -
I take out 2 or 3 slices of malt loaf on most of my >50 mile rides. I wrap it in those little sealable freezer bags, you can put 3 slices in there that aren't touching each other, then fold the bag so you can get them out quick. I can easily eat malt loaf while riding.
In the summer, I have one of those top tube mounted triathlon style storage box for malt loaf and the like, makes it even easier to take out bite sized pieces every 3 to 5 miles or so if you cut it before hand.
I honestly don't ride faster or further with specialist energy products. I guess we're all different.0
