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teagar wrote:markwalker wrote:Inayat Bunglawala runs muslims 4 uk and writes in the guardian ffs teagar. Hes hardly likely to openly welcome it is he?
I believe nick Griffins party has more paid up members and democratically elected representatitves would you like to hear his view on it? would the guardian give any or as much credence to his view?
Q how many winners read the guardian
Dont bother stressing, none.
Does he?
He seems pretty against Islam4UK in the article?
Read the article! No need to be ignorant.
Edit: Muslims4uk is a pro-democracy moderate Muslim group. I have confused it with Islam4uk. Quit different!
teagar read my post, i know exactly who and what muslims4uk is thank you.0 -
No please Mark, spell it out for me..."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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dmclite wrote:Depends if those refugees are made up of extremist, terrorist and racist groups. The palestinians can't even govern themselves, Hamas made a complete fool up of it.
No, the vast majority of those refugees are normal people who happen to have been born into a terrible situation. The government of Palestine is a mess, but could anyone who knew the situation there expect otherwise.
At the end of the day. The march wasn't going ahead anyway, all this situation has done, is further alienate Muslims in the eyes of a large portion of the general public. Banning the organisation does nothing good. It doesn't stop the problems of Islamic extremism, but it does represent the actions of an increasingly authoritarian Government.
(edited for grammar)You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
Jez mon wrote:dmclite wrote:Depends if those refugees are made up of extremist, terrorist and racist groups. The palestinians can't even govern themselves, Hamas made a complete fool up of it.
No, the vast majority of those refugees are normal people who happen to have been born into a terrible situation. The government of Palestine is a mess, but could anyone who knew the situation there expect otherwise.
At the end of the day. The march wasn't going ahead anyway, all this situation has done, is further alienate Muslims in the eyes of a large portion of the general public. Banning the organisation does nothing good. It doesn't stop the problems of Islamic extremism, but it does represent the actions an increasingly authoritarian Government.
Agreed.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:No please Mark, spell it out for me...
1 the BBC used the BNP interview as a publicity stunt where he was set upon by people on all sides including the mush headed liberals. it was bullying. The BNP dont want to tear up and discard a thousand years of law and government and replace it with Sharia law. The BNP dont want you to wear a beard. The BNP are quite happy for women to be educated. The BNP does not have active terrorists being provided a platfom and nurture amongst its ranks. The BNP did not choose to march with coffins through wiltshire towns. The BNP is a legitamate party wether you like it or not.
Islam for UK wants to destroy everything that you hold dear. Girls in lycra? Tacky yes but tolerable. banned. viewers contributor and models stoned. Oddly the BNP is far more tolerant and less violent than these guys. Corruption yes please lets embrace Afghanistans shining example of security and happiness.
Thats the real ultimate difference. But not by the few loons in this organisation you say?a tree grows from a seed and the sh 1t that you are spouting will keep it warm and fed to germinate.0 -
Oh, Dmc. This one's for you too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -world-war
He's got the right idea.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
So because the group has been banned all it's members will just realise the error of theor ways and vote Labour? Can't see it somehow.
You haven't cut down your metaphorical tree Mark, you've just changed its name. What if the same people want to rename their group Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band?
As an example, holocaust denial is illegal in Austria, do you think that means 100% of Austrians acknowledge the Shoa as it happened? Of course they dont , so what's the point of the law? You just put the problem out of sight."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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There seems to be a lot of 'black and white' thinking here when we should know full well that life is various shades of grey.
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disgruntledgoat wrote:So because the group has been banned all it's members will just realise the error of theor ways and vote Labour? Can't see it somehow.
You haven't cut down your metaphorical tree Mark, you've just changed its name. What if the same people want to rename their group Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band?
As an example, holocaust denial is illegal in Austria, do you think that means 100% of Austrians acknowledge the Shoa as it happened? Of course they dont , so what's the point of the law? You just put the problem out of sight.
No the cancer is stopped from that route of spreading.0 -
teagar wrote:Oh, Dmc. This one's for you too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -world-war
He's got the right idea.
OOhhh. Now you see through that article you are trying to re-hash history and completely muddle a modern issue. When I fought in the first Gulf War, the enemy was "Iraqis", the question of us against Islam had not entered the equation, was not an issue for us and did not matter. the only inflection we were aware of was Saddam launchng Scud missiles at Israeli towns, trying to split the Arab/Allied coalition. Our unit was actually given a meal in a mosque in Kuwait City, don't think it would happen now.
A lot of the Northern hemisphere had no idea who OBL was and why 9/11 took place. The escalation of hatred is appalling, but as a direct causation of our actions in the past and now allows us to scrap it out on here, enter opinions, show pictures and have a general laugh. Due democratic process takes place in the UK, like it or lump it and we have a free, enviable society, in no small way attributable to the soldiers from the commonwealth who have fought for these freedoms through the ages, irrespective of creed or colour.
ANY organisation who walk onto a tube or a bus and detonate explosives need to be stopped, not sympathised and respected.0 -
dmclite wrote:
ANY organisation who walk onto a tube or a bus and detonate explosives need to be stopped, not sympathised and respected.
+1 unless impeeding their suicide is a breach against their rights which must be respected by the people being ripped limb from limb and left to die in a burning mangled hot metal wreck.0 -
markwalker wrote:dmclite wrote:
ANY organisation who walk onto a tube or a bus and detonate explosives need to be stopped, not sympathised and respected.
+1 unless impeeding their suicide is a breach against their rights which must be respected by the people being ripped limb from limb and left to die in a burning mangled hot metal wreck.
I do not sympathise with them or respect them. How about engaging with my arguments rather than accuse me of things I have not said or implied?
If you have evidence that members of islam4UK are involved in such activity I suggest you contact the police who will be thrilled to hear from you."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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dmclite wrote:teagar wrote:Oh, Dmc. This one's for you too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -world-war
He's got the right idea.
OOhhh. Now you see through that article you are trying to re-hash history and completely muddle a modern issue. When I fought in the first Gulf War, the enemy was "Iraqis", the question of us against Islam had not entered the equation, was not an issue for us and did not matter. the only inflection we were aware of was Saddam launchng Scud missiles at Israeli towns, trying to split the Arab/Allied coalition. Our unit was actually given a meal in a mosque in Kuwait City, don't think it would happen now.
A lot of the Northern hemisphere had no idea who OBL was and why 9/11 took place. The escalation of hatred is appalling, but as a direct causation of our actions in the past and now allows us to scrap it out on here, enter opinions, show pictures and have a general laugh. Due democratic process takes place in the UK, like it or lump it and we have a free, enviable society, in no small way attributable to the soldiers from the commonwealth who have fought for these freedoms through the ages, irrespective of creed or colour.
ANY organisation who walk onto a tube or a bus and detonate explosives need to be stopped, not sympathised and respected.
Finally! A considered response!
I think we can both largely agree on that.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:markwalker wrote:dmclite wrote:
ANY organisation who walk onto a tube or a bus and detonate explosives need to be stopped, not sympathised and respected.
+1 unless impeeding their suicide is a breach against their rights which must be respected by the people being ripped limb from limb and left to die in a burning mangled hot metal wreck.
I do not sympathise with them or respect them. How about engaging with my arguments rather than accuse me of things I have not said or implied?
If you have evidence that members of islam4UK are involved in such activity I suggest you contact the police who will be thrilled to hear from you.
Well theyve just been done for it.0 -
markwalker wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:markwalker wrote:dmclite wrote:
ANY organisation who walk onto a tube or a bus and detonate explosives need to be stopped, not sympathised and respected.
+1 unless impeeding their suicide is a breach against their rights which must be respected by the people being ripped limb from limb and left to die in a burning mangled hot metal wreck.
I do not sympathise with them or respect them. How about engaging with my arguments rather than accuse me of things I have not said or implied?
If you have evidence that members of islam4UK are involved in such activity I suggest you contact the police who will be thrilled to hear from you.
Well theyve just been done for it.
Islam4UK have just been convicted of carrying out suicide bombings?
Are you sure you're not confusing freedom of speech with freedom to do whatever-the-hell-you-want0
