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I see the right to free association doesn't extend to dusky types saying things we find offensive. I hate this government for it's complete disregard for individual liberty.
What they do to them they WILL do to us."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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That's how civil liberties disappear - slow erosion and one day they're gone.
The "march" was already cancelled (announcement Friday). It would never have taken place anyway.
Something of a coup for the type of extremist who loves to portray the UK as an aggressor against Islam and for their willing audiences at home and abroad.
Extremists 1 - Government 0 (OG; Home Secretary)Where the neon madmen climb0 -
Ask the israelis what they think of Islamic extremism and its effects.0
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What do the Palestinians think of having been made the world's largest group of Refugees?You live and learn. At any rate, you live0
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Depends if those refugees are made up of extremist, terrorist and racist groups. The palestinians can't even govern themselves, Hamas made a complete cock up of it.0
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disgruntledgoat wrote:I see the right to free association doesn't extend to dusky types saying things we find offensive. I hate this government for it's complete disregard for individual liberty.
What they do to them they WILL do to us.
Bleeting PC.
They have a stated aim to create a sharia state here. Is your liberty worth protecting?0 -
markwalker wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:I see the right to free association doesn't extend to dusky types saying things we find offensive. I hate this government for it's complete disregard for individual liberty.
What they do to them they WILL do to us.
Bleeting PC.
They have a stated aim to create a sharia state here. Is your liberty worth protecting?
You just said what I wanted to. Good man.0 -
dmclite wrote:Depends if those refugees are made up of extremist, terrorist and racist groups. The palestinians can't even govern themselves, Hamas made a complete fool up of it.
You're hardly a shining beacon of tolerance yourself.
Pot calling the Kettle black?
One man's terrorist is another man's soldier and all that.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
dmclite wrote:markwalker wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:I see the right to free association doesn't extend to dusky types saying things we find offensive. I hate this government for it's complete disregard for individual liberty.
What they do to them they WILL do to us.
Bleeting PC.
They have a stated aim to create a sharia state here. Is your liberty worth protecting?
You just said what I wanted to. Good man.
Ok, so what happens when they use the same law to outlaw your political party, trade union, local pressure group. anti-war protest etc etc.
You can defend peoples right to free speech and free assembly without agreeing with them. Look back at my posts about the BNP appearing on Question Time... I am consistent in my support for these things."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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As for comparing Portsmouth with Israel, when ragtag bunch of nutters Islam4UK start dropping rockets on the suburbs or detonating themselves in pizza restaurants, then they've broken the law.
Until then, there's no comparison to make."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
@gietvangent0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:
You can defend peoples right to free speech and free assembly without agreeing with them.
Exactly!
Too often people are wrongly accused of agreeing with extremist organisations simply because they are defending free speech.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
some members from the group who were involved in the previous protest last year have been found to have broken the law in the courts yesterday because their protests went beyond political, into inciteful.
Rightly!
I do however sympathise with the idea to parade an empty coffin to highlight the Afgan people killed in the war by UK forces.
It's important to remember those on both sides!Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
Good to see Cressers' 'We're doooooooooooooomed' posts on other forae than STW...0
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teagar wrote:dmclite wrote:Depends if those refugees are made up of extremist, terrorist and racist groups. The palestinians can't even govern themselves, Hamas made a complete fool up of it.
You're hardly a shining beacon of tolerance yourself.
Pot calling the Kettle black?
One man's terrorist is another man's soldier and all that.
You know sweet FA about being a soldier, you child.0 -
teagar wrote:some members from the group who were involved in the previous protest last year have been found to have broken the law in the courts yesterday because their protests went beyond political, into inciteful.
Rightly!
I do however sympathise with the idea to parade an empty coffin to highlight the Afgan people killed in the war by UK forces.
It's important to remember those on both sides!
Nice. Perhaps you could contact a UK soldiers widow or bereaved parent and tell them that, you are Prince aren't you ?
if it wasn't for Uk forces, you and your relatives would be speaking German. Bleating Surrender Monkey.0 -
You didn't really read what I wrote. "remember on those on both sides". I'm not suggesting people should disband the UK forces or shouldn't show respect for the war dead and relatives of the war dead. They should.dmclite wrote:teagar wrote:some members from the group who were involved in the previous protest last year have been found to have broken the law in the courts yesterday because their protests went beyond political, into inciteful.
Rightly!
I do however sympathise with the idea to parade an empty coffin to highlight the Afgan people killed in the war by UK forces.
It's important to remember those on both sides!
Nice. Perhaps you could contact a UK soldiers widow or bereaved parent and tell them that, you are Prince aren't you ?
if it wasn't for Uk forces, you and your relatives would be speaking German. Bleating Surrender Monkey.
I take it you don't fancy contacting an Afgan widow to tell them UK forces killed them?
I can show respect to the war dead on both sides.
I'll take your "Uk" slip as a typo? You can have your cake but you must eat it too.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
dmclite wrote:teagar wrote:some members from the group who were involved in the previous protest last year have been found to have broken the law in the courts yesterday because their protests went beyond political, into inciteful.
Rightly!
I do however sympathise with the idea to parade an empty coffin to highlight the Afgan people killed in the war by UK forces.
It's important to remember those on both sides!
Nice. Perhaps you could contact a UK soldiers widow or bereaved parent and tell them that, you are Prince aren't you ?
if it wasn't for Uk forces, you and your relatives would be speaking German. Bleating Surrender Monkey.
History here
http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/ASLeve ... ailles.htm
If this had been better thought out WW2 would possilby not of happened.History tends to repeat its selfbagpuss0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:dmclite wrote:markwalker wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:I see the right to free association doesn't extend to dusky types saying things we find offensive. I hate this government for it's complete disregard for individual liberty.
What they do to them they WILL do to us.
Bleeting PC.
They have a stated aim to create a sharia state here. Is your liberty worth protecting?
You just said what I wanted to. Good man.
Ok, so what happens when they use the same law to outlaw your political party, trade union, local pressure group. anti-war protest etc etc.
You can defend peoples right to free speech and free assembly without agreeing with them. Look back at my posts about the BNP appearing on Question Time... I am consistent in my support for these things.
I am happy for the government to have weapons to use against threats to my clututre and life and equally Im happy for them to use law to protect me and my family.
I wouldnt expect the government of this coutnry to use the army against me and likewise i wouldnt expect them to use these laws for anything other than this sort of legitimate purpose. There are checks and balances to stop both fortunately.
Your argument is self defeating becasue if total freedom is allowed the sport of group you support in their quest for publicity would probably stone you to death once Sharia Law is in place. The truth is that Some forms of Islam are used by evil people to control and crush. Much like Christianity in it its various forms over the centuries.
If no standards are set there is no framework for freedom. Freedom needs a framework or order breaks down and there is no freedom at all. In this country that framework is the Law. Its not perfect but it provides an enabling environemnt for free (ish) speech and living. The army and foreign policy protects and strengthens that framework to protect and strengthen your freedoms. Liberal right on sneering at these laws and the armed forces is common amongst those incapable of free thought or critical argument. and in times gone by has been used as an excuse for cowardice.0 -
Quite.bagpusscp wrote:dmclite wrote:teagar wrote:some members from the group who were involved in the previous protest last year have been found to have broken the law in the courts yesterday because their protests went beyond political, into inciteful.
Rightly!
I do however sympathise with the idea to parade an empty coffin to highlight the Afgan people killed in the war by UK forces.
It's important to remember those on both sides!
Nice. Perhaps you could contact a UK soldiers widow or bereaved parent and tell them that, you are Prince aren't you ?
if it wasn't for Uk forces, you and your relatives would be speaking German. Bleating Surrender Monkey.
History here
http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/ASLeve ... ailles.htm
If this had been better thought out WW2 would possilby not of happened.History tends to repeat its self
I think what dmc was driving at was a xenophobic dig at the Dutch, given that that's where I originate from.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
sorry about typos and stuff above, I cant see what im typing. Its a wonder anything looks right at all.....0
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markwalker wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:dmclite wrote:markwalker wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:I see the right to free association doesn't extend to dusky types saying things we find offensive. I hate this government for it's complete disregard for individual liberty.
What they do to them they WILL do to us.
Bleeting PC.
They have a stated aim to create a sharia state here. Is your liberty worth protecting?
You just said what I wanted to. Good man.
Ok, so what happens when they use the same law to outlaw your political party, trade union, local pressure group. anti-war protest etc etc.
You can defend peoples right to free speech and free assembly without agreeing with them. Look back at my posts about the BNP appearing on Question Time... I am consistent in my support for these things.
I am happy for the government to have weapons to use against threats to my clututre and life and equally Im happy for them to use law to protect me and my family.
I wouldnt expect the government of this coutnry to use the army against me and likewise i wouldnt expect them to use these laws for anything other than this sort of legitimate purpose. There are checks and balances to stop both fortunately.
Your argument is self defeating becasue if total freedom is allowed the sport of group you support in their quest for publicity would probably stone you to death once Sharia Law is in place. The truth is that Some forms of Islam are used by evil people to control and crush. Much like Christianity in it its various forms over the centuries.
If no standards are set there is no framework for freedom. Freedom needs a framework or order breaks down and there is no freedom at all. In this country that framework is the Law. Its not perfect but it provides an enabling environemnt for free (ish) speech and living. The army and foreign policy protects and strengthens that framework to protect and strengthen your freedoms. Liberal right on sneering at these laws and the armed forces is common amongst those incapable of free thought or critical argument. and in times gone by has been used as an excuse for cowardice.
What this guy says:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... an-johnsonNote: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
Inayat Bunglawala runs muslims 4 uk and writes in the guardian ffs teagar. Hes hardly likely to openly welcome it is he?
I believe nick Griffins party has more paid up members and democratically elected representatitves would you like to hear his view on it? would the guardian give any or as much credence to his view?
Q how many winners read the guardian
Dont bother stressing, none.0 -
markwalker
So people who speak out in support of free speech for all, no matter how distasteful, are incapable of free thought or critical argument? :?
Just because the group are allowed a march, doesn't mean they'll bring in Sharia Law, so freedom of speech lets them say what they want. It doesn't let them take over the country! :roll:
Let's remember, the protest/march/whatever would have been in memory of civilians killed in Afghanistan, by the Taliban and by the occupying/liberating forces. It wasn't a 'Celebrate the Suicide Bombers' parade.
As it happens I thought the Wootton Bassett march was extremely distasteful and I'm glad it's not going ahead, whether it should have been officially prevented is another matter, but it got them the publicity they wanted.0 -
markwalker wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:dmclite wrote:markwalker wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:I see the right to free association doesn't extend to dusky types saying things we find offensive. I hate this government for it's complete disregard for individual liberty.
What they do to them they WILL do to us.
Bleeting PC.
They have a stated aim to create a sharia state here. Is your liberty worth protecting?
You just said what I wanted to. Good man.
Ok, so what happens when they use the same law to outlaw your political party, trade union, local pressure group. anti-war protest etc etc.
You can defend peoples right to free speech and free assembly without agreeing with them. Look back at my posts about the BNP appearing on Question Time... I am consistent in my support for these things.
Your argument is self defeating becasue if total freedom is allowed the sport of group you support in their quest for publicity would probably stone you to death once Sharia Law is in place. The truth is that Some forms of Islam are used by evil people to control and crush. Much like Christianity in it its various forms over the centuries.
SO you propose to defeat those who's values you despise by stooping to their level? Outlawing certain ideas and associations is self defeating, because by their very nature they cannot be destroyed, as the Daily Mash suggests, the obivous endgame is for Islam4UK to change their name to Brian Thompson, out law that, eh?
You defeat wrong or evil ideas by letting everybody see and test them to see how ridiculous they are. That way, to get heard by the public people have to moderate themselves and after that their desire to represent their constituancy means they have to engage with moderate process.
You supported NIck Griffin being allowed on question time and presumably, would not support a similar order being applied to the BNP, might i ask why this is different?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
@gietvangent0 -
markwalker wrote:Inayat Bunglawala runs muslims 4 uk and writes in the guardian ffs teagar. Hes hardly likely to openly welcome it is he?
I believe nick Griffins party has more paid up members and democratically elected representatitves would you like to hear his view on it? would the guardian give any or as much credence to his view?
Q how many winners read the guardian
Dont bother stressing, none.
Does he?
He seems pretty against Islam4UK in the article?
Read the article! No need to be ignorant.
Edit: Muslims4uk is a pro-democracy moderate Muslim group. I have confused it with Islam4uk. Quit different!Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
teagar wrote:
You didn't really read what I wrote. "remember on those on both sides". I'm not suggesting people should disband the UK forces or shouldn't show respect for the war dead and relatives of the war dead. They should.dmclite wrote:teagar wrote:some members from the group who were involved in the previous protest last year have been found to have broken the law in the courts yesterday because their protests went beyond political, into inciteful.
Rightly!
I do however sympathise with the idea to parade an empty coffin to highlight the Afgan people killed in the war by UK forces.
It's important to remember those on both sides!
Nice. Perhaps you could contact a UK soldiers widow or bereaved parent and tell them that, you are Prince aren't you ?
if it wasn't for Uk forces, you and your relatives would be speaking German. Bleating Surrender Monkey.
I take it you don't fancy contacting an Afgan widow to tell them UK forces killed them?
I can show respect to the war dead on both sides.
I'll take your "Uk" slip as a typo? You can have your cake but you must eat it too.
Your lack of respect in a lot of areas is why you are disliked. By a few.......0 -
bails87 wrote:markwalker
So people who speak out in support of free speech for all, no matter how distasteful, are incapable of free thought or critical argument? :?
Just because the group are allowed a march, doesn't mean they'll bring in Sharia Law, so freedom of speech lets them say what they want. It doesn't let them take over the country! :roll:
Let's remember, the protest/march/whatever would have been in memory of civilians killed in Afghanistan, by the Taliban and by the occupying/liberating forces. It wasn't a 'Celebrate the Suicide Bombers' parade.
As it happens I thought the Wootton Bassett march was extremely distasteful and I'm glad it's not going ahead, whether it should have been officially prevented is another matter, but it got them the publicity they wanted.
If i smoke crack it doesnt mean ill become an addict either does it? but theres more chance that i would than if i didnt? If i fire a rifle into a crowded subway it doesnt mean ill kill anyone does it? but its more likely than if i dont isnt it?
Both of these are acts considered dangerous and are illegal in order to protect the safety and rights of many other people over the rights of an individual or small group. Much like this ban on the terrorists.
Funny how freedoms and rights were swept aside in the debate on hunting, liberal outraged lefties cast aside a legitimate part of British Life. Namby pambying to this murdering bunch of scum may throw the rest away.
Theyre banned becasue they represent a proven threat to Brisith Society. And banning isnt going far enough but their human rights so hard won by others protect and nurture them.0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:markwalker wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:dmclite wrote:markwalker wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:I see the right to free association doesn't extend to dusky types saying things we find offensive. I hate this government for it's complete disregard for individual liberty.
What they do to them they WILL do to us.
Bleeting PC.
They have a stated aim to create a sharia state here. Is your liberty worth protecting?
You just said what I wanted to. Good man.
Ok, so what happens when they use the same law to outlaw your political party, trade union, local pressure group. anti-war protest etc etc.
You can defend peoples right to free speech and free assembly without agreeing with them. Look back at my posts about the BNP appearing on Question Time... I am consistent in my support for these things.
Your argument is self defeating becasue if total freedom is allowed the sport of group you support in their quest for publicity would probably stone you to death once Sharia Law is in place. The truth is that Some forms of Islam are used by evil people to control and crush. Much like Christianity in it its various forms over the centuries.
SO you propose to defeat those who's values you despise by stooping to their level? Outlawing certain ideas and associations is self defeating, because by their very nature they cannot be destroyed, as the Daily Mash suggests, the obivous endgame is for Islam4UK to change their name to Brian Thompson, out law that, eh?
You defeat wrong or evil ideas by letting everybody see and test them to see how ridiculous they are. That way, to get heard by the public people have to moderate themselves and after that their desire to represent their constituancy means they have to engage with moderate process.
You supported NIck Griffin being allowed on question time and presumably, would not support a similar order being applied to the BNP, might i ask why this is different?
You might ask tgoat but if you cant see the difference then Im not going to spell it out for you. Its easy to draw parralels but it isnt always appropriate.0 -
dmclite wrote:teagar wrote:
You didn't really read what I wrote. "remember on those on both sides". I'm not suggesting people should disband the UK forces or shouldn't show respect for the war dead and relatives of the war dead. They should.dmclite wrote:teagar wrote:some members from the group who were involved in the previous protest last year have been found to have broken the law in the courts yesterday because their protests went beyond political, into inciteful.
Rightly!
I do however sympathise with the idea to parade an empty coffin to highlight the Afgan people killed in the war by UK forces.
It's important to remember those on both sides!
Nice. Perhaps you could contact a UK soldiers widow or bereaved parent and tell them that, you are Prince aren't you ?
if it wasn't for Uk forces, you and your relatives would be speaking German. Bleating Surrender Monkey.
I take it you don't fancy contacting an Afgan widow to tell them UK forces killed them?
I can show respect to the war dead on both sides.
I'll take your "Uk" slip as a typo? You can have your cake but you must eat it too.
Your lack of respect in a lot of areas is why you are disliked. By a few.......
What's wrong with you? That makes no sense? You're answering questions that haven't been asked.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0
