Is this the norm for a club run?
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POSTIT NOTE on fridge door....I must remember to avoid riding 2 abreast width on duty using my bicycles for professional purposes!
My small effort to stake a claim to road space may be small beer in the grand scheme of things but I do get a hint that Bahzob is not alone in his thinking, but hopefully one day, he will be.0 -
bahzob wrote:
Cyclists do have an obligation to ride in a manner that makes it easy and straightforward as possible for other road users to overtake them.
Simple reductio ad absurdum demonstration of why this is nonsense. Take it to its logical extreme and to "make it [as] easy and straightforward as possible for other road users to overtake [us]" we'd either:
a) Stay off the roads completely
or
2) Ride alone, right in the gutter, in a manner that's been demonstrated over and again to be dangerous because it encourages risky overtaking.
We have no such obligation in law; we have no such obligation for our own safety, and your attempts to find such an obligation in the allegedly superior rights of motorised road users have been shot down.
This is getting to be like arguing with a fundamentalist Christian about evolution. You demonstrate over and over again why they're wrong and they still come out with 'well it's only a belief'.
Believe it all you like, you're flat-out wrong.John Stevenson0 -
bahzob wrote:andrewgturnbull wrote:Hi there.
I'm sorry, but what the f**k are you complaining about?
That looks like a perfectly normal way for four (i think there's four) rider to ride if the wind is coming from the left.
What's the problem - do you think they were taking up too much road space? It's much safer to use the whole lane and force motorists to overtake correctly using the oncoming lane, rather than just squeeze past - which is what would happen if the riders were hugging the kerb.
The op needs to get out more - on his club run!
Cheers, Andy
You mean this one? Well you may think its safer to ride closer to the middle white line than the kerb but not sure others will. And that would include those writing the Highway Code it would seem as their example shows what I'd suggest is the place most people would think it safest for a rider to ride.
Which position do you ride in when you are out solo?
Hi there.
When out solo I would ordinarily ride in the secondary position, but when I don't feel it is safe for following cars to attempt an overtaking manouver I will move to the primary position in order to control _my_ roadspace.
For an explanation of primary and secondary positions see this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_ ... ne_control
John Frankin is the CTC's legal expert witness of choice when court cases arise involving their members. If you could get hold of his book (I think it's called Cyclecraft?) then I'm sure you learn some invaluable lessons.
Note this wiki page does not address group riding - I am just answering your direct question about solo riding.
Cheers, Andy0 -
bahzob wrote:I am also honest enough to admit that we cyclists are in an especially privileged position as not only do we get to use the roads free of charge .
Everyone gets to use the roads free of charge- everybody pays the tax from which they are funded and there is no tax to use them. If you wish to use them in a vehicle which does have extra taxation attached then that's up to you, but that doesn't give you any priorities over other road users. Or do you think that people in cars with higher VED and higher fuel consumption than yours have priority over you?
Of course consideration works both ways and I'm sure there are the odd club rides that could do more to make things easier, just as there are plenty of Daily Mail waving drivers who think waiting 20 seconds for bikes on their way to the next tailback is being 'held up'. But many of your comments seem to be grounded in the unfortunately all-too-common assumption that cars have priority.0 -
This is like watching someone try to hold back a tidal wave with their hands
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Looks like you've answered your own question:bahzob wrote:I certainly agree with your last comment. However wrt to previous if its my kids on the road I would always have them in single file, not two abreast.
Its nice from a social pov to ride 2 abreast but I am not sure of what the justification for this formation from a safety or consideration of other road users perspective.
Happy to admit I'm wrong if someone can explain to me how riding 2 abreast is safer than single file.bahzob wrote:I've been in groups that have moved into a single file to try to allow a vehicle to pass but this has only made things a lot more difficult.0 -
The picture, to me, doesn't show anything except 6 guys riding bikes. It's an INSTANT in time. To assume that that they are riding poorly or very well is impossible to know from a photo that shows a single instant of this ride.0
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dennisn wrote:The picture, to me, doesn't show anything except 6 guys riding bikes. It's an INSTANT in time. To assume that that they are riding poorly or very well is impossible to know from a photo that shows a single instant of this ride.
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Nobody has the right to overtake anyone one the roads, as far as the courts and insurers are concerned the person overtaking has to take care and is usually deemed to be at fault if something goes wrong.Norfolk, who nicked all the hills?
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markos1963 wrote:dennisn wrote:The picture, to me, doesn't show anything except 6 guys riding bikes. It's an INSTANT in time. To assume that that they are riding poorly or very well is impossible to know from a photo that shows a single instant of this ride.
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Nobody has the right to overtake anyone one the roads, as far as the courts and insurers are concerned the person overtaking has to take care and is usually deemed to be at fault if something goes wrong.
Well put.0
