Rage Against The Machine For Xmas No.1!
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ridelikeapro wrote:Porgy wrote:WheezyMcChubby wrote:A great songwriter but his songs are invariably better performed by other artists.
Depends on your point of view I guess - I much prefer Dylan's orginals to almost every cover I've heard.
Singing technically correct has never been important in rock and roll - and I enjoy all dylan's various singing voices up to early 80s.
I agree with Mr Porgy, with Dylan its all about delivery and attitude - his singing style has influenced legions of rock stars. Listen to him carefully - he's a great singer. He's the Boss!
As I have posted above I don't entirely disagree with your point (see J Cash example)
Dylan is not a great singer any more than he is a great guitarist.
The only aspect of his talent which could be described as great is his songwriting.
My view on this may be tainted by the good money I spent to see him and Van Morrison live in Belfast about 10 years ago - they were truely awful, X Factor audition awful!“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Stuey01 wrote:It's about music. Not money
Would that be the list of songs which SOLD the most last week
RATM are donating a large part of the royalties for the song to Shelter, the homeless charity. Additionally a fund raising campaign run in parallel on Facebook has raised £60k+ for Shelter.
Pointless?
Fair enough.
But disappointing that they didn't donate ALL the royalites though.
Also
Sony
Itunes etc
And the governments 15%“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Urghh, people's understanding on what this campaign was about is so poor. It's not about money, it's not about not doing what you're being told (as this would be rather ironic), and it's not about Simon Cowell. It's about getting passionate music back. Music that's been written and performed by the same people as supposed to a poor cover of a song released less then a year ago by someone who didn't write it even then.
And regardless of whether you agree with it, you have to admit it's pretty damn impressive that a facebook group has been able to change the Christmas number one and just highlights what's possible when people band together. RAGE ON!!!0 -
ridelikeapro wrote:Dylan - he's a great singer. He's the Boss!
Thought that was Springsteen!?Cannondale Synapse 105, Giant Defy 3, Giant Omnium, Giant Trance X2, EMC R1.0, Ridgeback Platinum, On One Il Pompino...0 -
WheezyMcChubby wrote:But disappointing that they didn't donate ALL the royalites though.
As I understand it, they are donating all the money that is due to THEM from the sale of this track. They can do no more, the money going to Sony/the government is not Rage Against The Machine's to allocate.0 -
I haven't downloaded any songs in the last couple of weeks, because there weren't any I wanted to listen to.
I concur with the thoughts expressed by a couple of posters that the whole thing, even if it didn't start off that way, is clearly playing into the hands of the music industry. After all, do you suppose that Joe/X factor sold less because of the battle? So the interests of Sony, Simon Cowell, RATM, Joe McElderflower and the millions of people downloading a song demonstrating their independence 'cos someone tells them to - they're all neatly aligned! Everyone's happy, why the argument?0 -
mask of sanity wrote:Urghh, people's understanding on what this campaign was about is so poor. It's not about money, it's not about not doing what you're being told (as this would be rather ironic), and it's not about Simon Cowell. It's about getting passionate music back. Music that's been written and performed by the same people as supposed to a poor cover of a song released less then a year ago by someone who didn't write it even then.
And regardless of whether you agree with it, you have to admit it's pretty damn impressive that a facebook group has been able to change the Christmas number one and just highlights what's possible when people band together. RAGE ON!!!
Bull sh1t.
As for Facebook, that shows only what happens when evryone plays 'follow my leader'!
Same thing was tried last year, but failed. It wasn't a 'Facebook victory', it was another media victory.
Absolute crock of shite.
Puppets....Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
WheezyMcChubby wrote:ridelikeapro wrote:Porgy wrote:WheezyMcChubby wrote:A great songwriter but his songs are invariably better performed by other artists.
Depends on your point of view I guess - I much prefer Dylan's orginals to almost every cover I've heard.
Singing technically correct has never been important in rock and roll - and I enjoy all dylan's various singing voices up to early 80s.
I agree with Mr Porgy, with Dylan its all about delivery and attitude - his singing style has influenced legions of rock stars. Listen to him carefully - he's a great singer. He's the Boss!
As I have posted above I don't entirely disagree with your point (see J Cash example)
Dylan is not a great singer any more than he is a great guitarist.
The only aspect of his talent which could be described as great is his songwriting.
My view on this may be tainted by the good money I spent to see him and Van Morrison live in Belfast about 10 years ago - they were truely awful, X Factor audition awful!
No I really disagree with this. Listen to the first three or four Dylan albums - his style in those early LPs is based on the greats in american folk - expecially guthrie - he sounds just like guthrie at times....while at the same time writing entirely original songs that Guthrie could have written - aand surpassing all of them in a couple of years.
That was part of his greatness. Also - his performances - while maybe technically a bit ropey - were absolutely blinding - even on film. He came form absolutely nowhere to being recognised as the greatest living folk singer within 3 or 4 years - now that's not just songwriting - it's his performances that got him to that status.
Therefore - though not a great singer, or guitarist - he is/ was a great performer.
Also - seems to have a knack for arranging and leading a band - The Band in fact.0 -
TommyEss wrote:ridelikeapro wrote:Dylan - he's a great singer. He's the Boss!
Thought that was Springsteen!?
Springsteen IS the Boss. Springsteen IS the best! 8)0 -
MadammeMarie wrote:TommyEss wrote:ridelikeapro wrote:Dylan - he's a great singer. He's the Boss!
Thought that was Springsteen!?
Springsteen IS the Boss. Springsteen IS the best! 8)
:roll:Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
hopper1 wrote:MadammeMarie wrote:TommyEss wrote:ridelikeapro wrote:Dylan - he's a great singer. He's the Boss!
Thought that was Springsteen!?
Springsteen IS the Boss. Springsteen IS the best! 8)
:roll:
What else would you expect someone called MadammeMarie to say? And anyway, he really is very good 8)0 -
stfc1 wrote:hopper1 wrote:MadammeMarie wrote:TommyEss wrote:ridelikeapro wrote:Dylan - he's a great singer. He's the Boss!
Thought that was Springsteen!?
Springsteen IS the Boss. Springsteen IS the best! 8)
:roll:
What else would you expect someone called MadammeMarie to say? And anyway, he really is very good 8)
He's good (I saw him performing the Seeger sessions live - I wish Dylan was as good these days) - but he is not the Messiah.0 -
So what's the best Dylan line then?0
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Porgy wrote:He's good (I saw him performing the Seeger sessions live - I wish Dylan was as good these days) - but he is not the Messiah.
And who said anything about Messiah's? I just said he's the best.
The Seeger sessions was great, but I'd rather see him performing his own stuff.
I could go on and on about Broooooce, but I'll stop here! 8)0 -
MadammeMarie wrote:Porgy wrote:He's good (I saw him performing the Seeger sessions live - I wish Dylan was as good these days) - but he is not the Messiah.
And who said anything about Messiah's? I just said he's the best.
I've met too many Springsteen fans0 -
Porgy wrote:MadammeMarie wrote:Porgy wrote:He's good (I saw him performing the Seeger sessions live - I wish Dylan was as good these days) - but he is not the Messiah.
And who said anything about Messiah's? I just said he's the best.
I've met too many Springsteen fans
Oi!
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MadammeMarie wrote:Porgy wrote:MadammeMarie wrote:Porgy wrote:He's good (I saw him performing the Seeger sessions live - I wish Dylan was as good these days) - but he is not the Messiah.
And who said anything about Messiah's? I just said he's the best.
I've met too many Springsteen fans
Oi!
Don't worry I'm the same about Bowie. 8)0 -
Porgy wrote:He's good (I saw him performing the Seeger sessions live - I wish Dylan was as good these days) - but he is not the Messiah.
He's a very naughty boy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA0 -
stfc1 wrote:What else would you expect someone called MadammeMarie to say? And anyway, he really is very good 8)
By the way, for thos RATM fans: the band covered a Springsteen song called The Ghost of Tom Joad (acustic track from the album of the same name). The man was well impressed, so he invited Tom Morello on stage to play the song. Here it is if you want to see it, from the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame 25 Years Anniversary gig in New York.
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JLM74 wrote:Porgy wrote:He's good (I saw him performing the Seeger sessions live - I wish Dylan was as good these days) - but he is not the Messiah.
He's a very naughty boy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA
I'm glad someone said that - it's what I was thinking when I posted it.0
