Rage Against The Machine For Xmas No.1!

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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    graemeho wrote:

    If for no other reason, give the guy ( Joe) a break.
    Imagine if he was your mate. How would you feel.

    What if the guys from RATM were my mates? :wink:

    I owe the RATM albums and all, but I'm going to buy the single. Why? Coz Cheryl and Simon are being sense of humourless about the whole thing and whinging. If they'd not commented I would've have cared.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • graemeho
    graemeho Posts: 36
    OK in the spirit of Christmas i have just downloaded my first ever x factor single . I suspect this will be the response of many folks who never do this sort of thing, Without this thread i would never have downloaded it. Not sure that was the aim

    It was 29p from amazon ...

    Actually sounds much better than on the radio. will use it as a warm down track on the turbo session coming up. Bon Jovi for the main event!.

    Seasons greetings and good will to all on the forum
  • Elektriksheep
    Elektriksheep Posts: 5
    graemeho wrote:
    Look, we all have choice, X factor had 18 million people choosing to watch ... let folks choose what to do / who to buy.

    If successful this campaign will acheive little other than

    - impacting the life of a lovely young lad who does sing really well
    - irritating the 18m people who like x factor. but not changing their viewing habits.
    - making Simon Cowell even more powerful, thru the PR

    If for no other reason, give the guy ( Joe) a break.
    Imagine if he was your mate. How would you feel.

    FYI: Little Joe isn't taking it personally. He's quoted as saying "I'm not really seeing it as a personal attack, because I think if any other person would have won it would have been the same case". Taken from here...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8420325.stm
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Oh boo hoo, hear that, it's me playing the worlds smallest violin!

    If Joe really such a great singer, his music will stand the test of time and he won't have to worry about xmas number one! Besides he's already been given a massive break, in winning that stupid karaoke show
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Elektriksheep
    Elektriksheep Posts: 5
    Porgy wrote:
    Elektriksheep wrote:
    DO IT EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE, DO IT FOR REAL MUSIC, DO IT IN SUPPORT OF ALL THAT IS AUTHENTIC AND GENUINE, DO IT 'CAUSE IT'LL BE A LAUGH, IT'LL BE DIFFERENT, AND IT'LL BE MEMORABLE. DO IT TO PROVE THAT IT CAN BE DONE.

    But when has xmas number one ever had anything to do with real music?

    At worst F Factor getting to no.1 is a minor irritation - I still never have to hear it...and I already own a copy of that Rage against The Machine track so why buy it again?

    Christmas number 1 has probably almost never had anything to do with real music THAT'S HALF THE POINT. Part of what people are trying to do here is to make this Christmas number one about real music.

    WHY BUY IT AGAIN? - Very good question...

    There are many many reasons why this campaign is a GREAT idea and why myself and many THOUSANDS of other people also think it's a good idea, SOME of which are: IT WOULD BE A LAUGH, it would be funny for "F*** YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME" to be plastered all over the radio for Christmas, and future Christmas albums etc instead of the usual manufactured bullsh**, it makes a statement to people in the UK and elsewhere in the world that consumer demand can make a difference, it makes a statement about people power, it highlights the fact that not everyone likes manufactured karaoke products like Joe McElderry (but everyone has the right and choice to like that sort of thing if they like) and that thousands and thousands of people all over the UK believe in REAL music, lyrics, and vocals that are motivated out of passion, emotion, and inspiration and not motivated by a desire to become famous, rich, or popular.

    Personally, in general, I don't watch TV, I don't watch X-Factor, and I don't pay any attention to the charts. To me, in general, the charts are fairly meaningless and do more to highlight the effectiveness of good (and well-funded) marketing than to represent the country's most popular artists. But on this occasion I feel it's important to take part in this campaign as it's an opportunity to make a bold, loud, and positive statement.

    And hey, it's 29p.

    But at the end of the day, if you don't want to take part in the campaign, then don't. No one is forcing you at knife point (that I'm aware of). But if you're not gonna take part because you don't really care, then at least consider keeping your opinion to yourself. Yes it's a free country and we have freedom of speech and you can say what you want, but keep in mind that your cynicism is negative and destructive towards a cause that is fundamentally positive.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Elektriksheep wrote:


    But at the end of the day, if you don't want to take part in the campaign, then don't. No one is forcing you at knife point (that I'm aware of). But if you're not gonna take part because you don't really care, then at least consider keeping your opinion to yourself. Yes it's a free country and we have freedom of speech and you can say what you want, but keep in mind that your cynicism is negative and destructive towards a cause that is fundamentally positive.

    Isn't your good cause negative and destructive towards people who like x factor? Or do they not count?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Jez mon wrote:
    If Joe really such a great singer, his music will stand the test of time and he won't have to worry about xmas number one! Besides he's already been given a massive break, in winning that stupid karaoke show

    ^
    This

    Weeks and weeks of exposure on TV vs RATM campaign on the internetz. At the end of the day, people have to fork out for the track
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Elektriksheep
    Elektriksheep Posts: 5
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Elektriksheep wrote:


    But at the end of the day, if you don't want to take part in the campaign, then don't. No one is forcing you at knife point (that I'm aware of). But if you're not gonna take part because you don't really care, then at least consider keeping your opinion to yourself. Yes it's a free country and we have freedom of speech and you can say what you want, but keep in mind that your cynicism is negative and destructive towards a cause that is fundamentally positive.

    Isn't your good cause negative and destructive towards people who like x factor? Or do they not count?

    Yes the cause is destructive towards X-Factor, but X-Factor itself is negative - it's fake, manufactured, marketing bullsh** that tries to pass itself off as music. It takes the spotlight off've real artists with INTEGRITY that create music with passion, inspiration, and emotion. Bands and artists that write their own lyrics, write their own music, sing how they want to sing, decide themselves what they will wear, and how they will wear it. And it's misleading to youngsters because it gives the impression that what they see on X-Factor is real music, and it's what they should aspire to. What you see on X-Factor has no substance. It is shallow and fueled by a desire for fame and wealth. What's more, it takes the money away from the real artists in our country who are actually talented and work hard writing, practising, and performing real music that is motivated by passion and emotion.

    The X-Factor is in itself negative. The destruction of a negative is a positive thing. Therefore this campaign is a positive thing, and your cynicism towards it is negative.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    awww... I love snobbery.

    How do you know the kid from the x factor doesn't have an abiding love of pop and power ballads and a desire to convert teenagers and mums across britain to his taste? I'm sure he didn't just rock up ona whim and audition for X Factor either.

    And are you saying the song he's released isn't music? It absolutely is... it's just not to your (or my) tastes.

    Which artists deserve money? What if somebody puts as much blood sweat and tears into making a pop record aimed at 14 year olds as bands you like do into their art, is that equally worthy of the money?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Elektriksheep wrote:

    The X-Factor is in itself negative. The destruction of a negative is a positive thing. Therefore this campaign is a positive thing, and your cynicism towards it is negative.[/quote

    What you mean is "i don't like it and i can't see how anybody else does, they must be wrong" isn't it?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • trekhead
    trekhead Posts: 626
    Look, this isn`t about "sticking it to the man" and we all know about Cowells links with Sony/BMG and TBH Joe McWotshisface has got a brilliant voice. Fact is it has now become the norm - win X-Factor -Chritmas no.1 - X-Factor tour - album ready in time for next years Christmas WTF is this all about.

    Why oh why do these people think they can`t have a carreer in music if they don`t WIN the fecking X-factor?

    This whole thing is brilliant. Lets have a decent record at no. 1 for a change.

    Joe, get out there, get some mileage and experience under your belt, you might even find your NOT what you`ve been moulded into.

    C`mon RAGE

    sorry about the spelling - I`ve had a drink
    ole ginger b*ll*cks / the ginger ninja
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    By the way given my head as to what the world would choose over X factor would be this....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4YtTxV7UAo
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • Elektriksheep
    Elektriksheep Posts: 5
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Which artists deserve money? What if somebody puts as much blood sweat and tears into making a pop record aimed at 14 year olds as bands you like do into their art, is that equally worthy of the money?

    It depends on their motives. I think something that is motivated out of a passion and desire to produce something beautiful, something that is true to the artist, is more worthy of the money than something that is motivated out of a desire for shallow materialistic goals such as fame and money. Even if they work as-hard for that goal. And I think their motivation (whether fame and money or passion for art) will be apparent in the final record, as well as what they say and do in general and in interviews etc.

    And if someone DOES produce a song out of a passion and desire to produce something beautiful, and that song is happens to be generally classed as “pop”, then it still deserves the money, EVEN IF I DON’T LIKE IT.
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    What you mean is "i don't like it and i can't see how anybody else does, they must be wrong" isn't it?

    You’re correct in saying that I don’t like it, but I CAN see how other people like it. I CAN see how people like a lot of pop, even if I myself don’t like it.

    As much as I would consider my music tastes to be eclectic, I don’t like a lot of music. But just because I don’t like it, it doesn’t mean I don’t respect it. There are lots of bands out there whose efforts and intentions I respect, and I think deserve the money, but whose music I don’t like. There are even some artists that a lot of people would consider to be “pop”, that I both like and respect.

    For the record, I am not against pop as a style of music, but I don’t respect so called artists that just sing other people’s songs to other people’s music and perform other people’s dance routines because they want to be famous and because people like Simon Cowell egg them on because it makes him rich. And I don’t think they deserve more money than real artists.

    But however much myself and many other thousands of people don’t think these “artists” deserve the money, I very much doubt that the general structure of the music business in this country will change as a result of this campaign. After this campaign is over and we move into 2010, even if RATM were Christmas number 1, X-Factor will still exist in the UK and in all its other versions across the globe. Simon Cowell will still be rich, people will still audition for X-Factor, people will still buy CDs from X-Factor performers, and people will still buy what I consider to be bullsh** music from bullsh** “artists”.

    But that’s not the point. At least not for me personally. Some people may believe that they are going to change these things, but I do not. I support the campaign for all the reasons I’ve mentioned above in a previous post, and I also hope that some people will become more aware through this campaign and that even some new RATM fans will be created. RATM, aside from their music, are involved in significant and important charity and activist movements in the US and elsewhere, and through this campaign I hope awareness of this will spread and inspire others to take up similar worthy causes. Also, many artists have been inspired and influenced by Rage Against the Machine in the past, so who knows, it might also create some new artists :O)

    And to be honest, even after everyone’s efforts, the campaign may still fail. And if it does, then f*** it, we tried. We created a whole lot of fuss, and it was a good laugh.

    On a few final notes, I’d just like to point out that going up on stage in front of many hundreds of people in-studio, and many thousands/millions more on TV, is not something that everyone can do, and as much as I disrespect “artists” like Joe Elderry for what they do, I do respect them for their ability to perform and the fact that they can sing well (some of them).

    And DisgruntledGoat – as much as it's entertaining to have interesting debates like this, I doubt I’ve got the time or energy to continue. It’s already quarter-past one in the morning, and I would really like to spend the rest of my weekend doing something more constructive, like spamming forums in support of the campaign :O)

    Take it easy, people. VOTE RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!!!
  • ridelikeapro
    ridelikeapro Posts: 139
    Personally I'd have liked to see one of Bob Dylan's Christmas Album songs at No 1. Here's a legend that has been writing some of the best songs ever, and touring, from the age of 19 to 65!

    With Dylan it's not about having a sweet synthetic voice, but more about delivery and attitude. The quality of his voice is a best "raw" - but he's a great singer (although there are many that may never get this). Consequently he still has a great career after nearly half a century, and a crate load of truly iconic songs. Now where will Joe Somethingorother be in 45 years time?

    Best Dylan song? name the tunes....
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    edited December 2009
    Elektriksheep wrote:
    Take it easy, people. VOTE RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!!!


    You're not voting, you're BUYING!


    ETA Chart for week ending 19/12 has RATM as a new entry at 80. Genius. :lol:
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    ridelikeapro wrote:
    Personally I'd have liked to see one of Bob Dylan's Christmas Album songs at No 1. Here's a legend that has been writing some of the best songs ever, and touring, from the age of 19 to 65!

    With Dylan it's not about having a sweet synthetic voice, but more about delivery and attitude. The quality of his voice is a best "raw" - but he's a great singer (although there are many that may never get this). Consequently he still has a great career after nearly half a century, and a crate load of truly iconic songs. Now where will Joe Somethingorother be in 45 years time?

    Best Dylan song? name the tunes....

    By no stretch of the imagination is Bob Dylan a great singer.

    A great songwriter but his songs are invariably better performed by other artists.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Stuey01
    Stuey01 Posts: 1,273
    Rage = no.1
    :D
    Not climber, not sprinter, not rouleur
  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    WheezyMcChubby wrote:
    A great songwriter but his songs are invariably better performed by other artists.

    Depends on your point of view I guess - I much prefer Dylan's orginals to almost every cover I've heard.

    Singing technically correct has never been important in rock and roll - and I enjoy all dylan's various singing voices up to early 80s.
  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    Stuey01 wrote:
    Rage = no.1
    :D

    Must admit hearing it was number one made me chuckle slightly - but I would still prefer a good current song to be there, not necessarily about xmas though, just something less than 16 years old -or whatever this is.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Porgy wrote:
    WheezyMcChubby wrote:
    A great songwriter but his songs are invariably better performed by other artists.

    Depends on your point of view I guess - I much prefer Dylan's orginals to almost every cover I've heard.

    Singing technically correct has never been important in rock and roll - and I enjoy all dylan's various singing voices up to early 80s.

    True. Some of the best artists aren't/weren't great singers. Johnny Cash for example couldn't carry a tune in a bucket. It's about more than hitting the right notes, it's about communicating with the listener.


    ETA invariably is a bit of an exaggeration
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    I'm not the biggest RATM fan, but I'd just like to say ha ha ha.

    If you want to be a pop star, pick up an instrument and write your own songs, go on tour, win some fans, instead of taking part in some televised karaoke contest to win the chance to be Simon Cowell's puppet on a string for your 15 seconds of semi-fame.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    I like the X Factor as entertainment. And it's produced SOME talent over the years.

    But I really like the RATM song.

    So two fingers up to SImon Cowell and Co. this year.
  • cyclingtaz
    cyclingtaz Posts: 326
    it makes no difference as they are both sony artists a bit of a pointless campaign
    "you tried your best and failed miserably. the lesson is never to try"
  • grimpeur
    grimpeur Posts: 230
    cyclingtaz wrote:
    it makes no difference as they are both sony artists a bit of a pointless campaign

    RATM are donating a large part of the royalties for the song to Shelter, the homeless charity. Additionally a fund raising campaign run in parallel on Facebook has raised £60k+ for Shelter.

    Pointless?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    cyclingtaz wrote:
    it makes no difference as they are both sony artists a bit of a pointless campaign

    It's got nothing to do with lining Sony's pockets you know.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Giant Jon
    Giant Jon Posts: 49
    Surely buying Rage Against the Machine to prove you don't buy songs because 'somebody says you have to' is a bit meaningless when nearly everybody is now saying 'buy Rage Against the Machine'?!?!?! So eveybody is now proving they'll buy a song cos 'somebody else said so' instead of Simon Cowell???

    And what are you going to really prove anyway, when both artists are signed with Sony?? Ever heard of a chart battle that might just purely be in the interests of boosting a certain record label's takings?? And in doing so, funnily enough, you've just bought a load of music as told to you by Sony... Everybody seems to have missed the obvious 'don't buy anything' as a way of showing you won't be manipulated into buying... but i suppose you would then have been manipulated by my way of thinking instead, and that would never do would it lol
  • cyclingtaz
    cyclingtaz Posts: 326
    iainf72 wrote:
    cyclingtaz wrote:
    it makes no difference as they are both sony artists a bit of a pointless campaign

    It's got nothing to do with lining Sony's pockets you know.

    whats it got to do with then? cant see any other reason
    "you tried your best and failed miserably. the lesson is never to try"
  • ridelikeapro
    ridelikeapro Posts: 139
    Porgy wrote:
    WheezyMcChubby wrote:
    A great songwriter but his songs are invariably better performed by other artists.

    Depends on your point of view I guess - I much prefer Dylan's orginals to almost every cover I've heard.

    Singing technically correct has never been important in rock and roll - and I enjoy all dylan's various singing voices up to early 80s.

    I agree with Mr Porgy, with Dylan its all about delivery and attitude - his singing style has influenced legions of rock stars. Listen to him carefully - he's a great singer. He's the Boss!
  • Stuey01
    Stuey01 Posts: 1,273
    It's about music. Not money
    Not climber, not sprinter, not rouleur
  • hopper1
    hopper1 Posts: 4,389
    cyclingtaz wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    cyclingtaz wrote:
    it makes no difference as they are both sony artists a bit of a pointless campaign

    It's got nothing to do with lining Sony's pockets you know.

    whats it got to do with then? cant see any other reason

    It's got to do with doing as you are told!
    So, if you did, you bought the RATM tat, and you 'won' :? :roll:
    If you did as you wanted too.... It has no relevance...

    I'm just glad to be going back to normal.
    Luckily, I haven't heard the RATM track once, yet :wink:
    Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!

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