Bitten by a dog

dennisn

millymoose wrote:

Yes but you are not in the UK. It is a bit different here. I lived in the States and am well aware of the differences.

If I had got bitten in the US, Canada, Africa or anywhere that Rabies is prevalent I would have the sames concerns as you - but 24 deaths in 107 years none of which eminated from a 'loose' animal - that is why you are over-reacting

So you're saying you would just blow it off if bitten? What if it was a squirrel or a bat?

shouldbeinbed

alan sherman wrote:

Do dogs still get put down if they have bitten someone? or is that sharks :?

Are there many dogs that bite sharks?


Little dogs are the worst for yappy nipping attacks. Bigger dogs seem more placid and dopey if left to their own devices. My 3 greyhounds are too thick and lazy to work up the enthusiasm to bite you.

unless you're dressed as a squirrel and run very fast.

gkerr4

dennisn wrote:

millymoose wrote:

Yes but you are not in the UK. It is a bit different here. I lived in the States and am well aware of the differences.

If I had got bitten in the US, Canada, Africa or anywhere that Rabies is prevalent I would have the sames concerns as you - but 24 deaths in 107 years none of which eminated from a 'loose' animal - that is why you are over-reacting

So you're saying you would just blow it off if bitten? What if it was a squirrel or a bat?

what? - where do you live? - where do people get bitten by "bats" and "Squirrels"??? has this ever happened??

APIII

I'm not sure it has. A badger did once look at me a bit funny though.

dennisn

gkerr4 wrote:

dennisn wrote:

millymoose wrote:

Yes but you are not in the UK. It is a bit different here. I lived in the States and am well aware of the differences.

If I had got bitten in the US, Canada, Africa or anywhere that Rabies is prevalent I would have the sames concerns as you - but 24 deaths in 107 years none of which eminated from a 'loose' animal - that is why you are over-reacting

So you're saying you would just blow it off if bitten? What if it was a squirrel or a bat?

what? - where do you live? - where do people get bitten by "bats" and "Squirrels"??? has this ever happened??

I live IN the City of Toledo and have squirrels, mice, AND a few bats in my backyard. Even a deer or two on occasion. I do not live in the "country" by any stroke of the imagination.
I do live on the edge of the city(so to speak). Anyway, these animals are there and while I haven't been bitten I can assure you that if I was I'd probably be looking at shots if I wasn't able to catch said animal. You sound astounded, that there are bats and squirrels
in cities???
I'll grant you that these "bitings" don't happen on a daily basis here, but on occasion you do hear a news item about someone going through the Rabies shots series because they couldn't find the animal that bit them or a plea to find a stray dog that bit someone before
they have to go through the shots. I'll grant you that rabies is rare, very rare, very very rare, in "civilized countries" but it is also kills people "without exception" who get bitten
by a rabid animal and don't get the shots.
Did I mention 55,000 a year die, worldwide?

gkerr4

in contrast - I do live in the country - there are foxes and bats and birds of all sorts - not so many squirrels round here though - I just don't think of ever being bitten by any of them - they are all a whole load more scared of me than I am of them - they don't come near - bar the odd bat that goes a bit off the sonar path...

Stewie Griffin

dennisn wrote:

gkerr4 wrote:

dennisn wrote:

millymoose wrote:

Yes but you are not in the UK. It is a bit different here. I lived in the States and am well aware of the differences.

If I had got bitten in the US, Canada, Africa or anywhere that Rabies is prevalent I would have the sames concerns as you - but 24 deaths in 107 years none of which eminated from a 'loose' animal - that is why you are over-reacting

So you're saying you would just blow it off if bitten? What if it was a squirrel or a bat?

what? - where do you live? - where do people get bitten by "bats" and "Squirrels"??? has this ever happened??

I live IN the City of Toledo and have squirrels, mice, AND a few bats in my backyard. Even a deer or two on occasion. I do not live in the "country" by any stroke of the imagination.
I do live on the edge of the city(so to speak). Anyway, these animals are there and while I haven't been bitten I can assure you that if I was I'd probably be looking at shots if I wasn't able to catch said animal. You sound astounded, that there are bats and squirrels
in cities???
I'll grant you that these "bitings" don't happen on a daily basis here, but on occasion you do hear a news item about someone going through the Rabies shots series because they couldn't find the animal that bit them or a plea to find a stray dog that bit someone before
they have to go through the shots. I'll grant you that rabies is rare, very rare, very very rare, in "civilized countries" but it is also kills people "without exception" who get bitten
by a rabid animal and don't get the shots.
Did I mention 55,000 a year die, worldwide?

We have squirrels and bats in London but I dont know anyone who has been bitten by either one. Im thinking that was his point. If you have deer in your garden Dennis then you live in the country and are quite wealthy

celestecharlie

The girl clearly needs to learn to control her dog. Should you see her out and about again you could suggest she takes him to training classes, then again this being modern Britain you'd probably get a serious volley of abuse for your trouble. But perhaps we shouldn't pre-judge and she may feel herself that she needs a little help handling the little scamp.

1footedninja's experience with the boxer wasn't entirely suprising - especially if you went to stroke the dog from the rear of the head down its back. This can be interpreted by the dog as a sign of dominance (they will often put their paws over the back of the neck of a dog they feel should be submissive to them). Given that you were a stranger on its territory and clearly not dominant over him he seems to have taken issue the only way he knows how. Not that that excuses him - your acceptance by his owner should have been enough for him.

Dogs need a lot of time investing in them if they aren't to become a pain to all and sundry, sadly many owners aren't up to the job.

blorg

A Scottish bat enthusiast died after being bitten by a bat in 2002. This was the first case of indigenous rabies since 1902.

@dennisn- Britain, an island, operates a quarantine system whereby animals cannot be imported freely. Ireland does the same.

There literally have been no cases of rabies infection in the UK from a dog bite in over 100 years. The country is considered "rabies free."

This is a very different situation to countries with open land borders where the disease is still a possibility.

Bats I would be more concerned about given the above, and indeed the official advice is to get rabies vaccination if bitten by a bat in the UK- but not if bitten by a dog.

I got eaten alive recently by mosquitos yet did not get malaria- I was in a country where malaria has been eradicated since recently after WW2. Should I get treatment? It kills millions every year you know, far more than rabies.

dennisn

gkerr4 wrote:

in contrast - I do live in the country - there are foxes and bats and birds of all sorts - not so many squirrels round here though - I just don't think of ever being bitten by any of them - they are all a whole load more scared of me than I am of them - they don't come near - bar the odd bat that goes a bit off the sonar path...

i know what you're saying and I agree. People could go their whole life and not get bitten.
Unless you venture out on the moors at night(or so I've heard). Anyway, I'm not really concerned about how often it happens, but what do you do IF it happens. If your son gets bit feeding a squirrel or petting a stray dog, what do you do??? FIND THAT DOG.
CATCH THAT SQUIRREL. And if you don't catch it? Then what? Do you just say, "well it was only a squirrel" and figure that it's a million to one chance that it might be rabid, then walk away and do nothing? People DO win the lottery, for big money, almost every week, and it's a million to one shot (or more). I'm talking 100% chance of death, if it was rabid, and you don't get the shot series in time.

ride_whenever

it isn't a 100 percent chance, you said there are 6 reported cases of survival.

The malaria argument is misleading too though because malaria has a far lower mortality rate.

blorg

ride_whenever wrote:

The malaria argument is misleading too though because malaria has a far lower mortality rate.

But then again I get bitten by a lot more mosquitos than I do by dogs

My point was simply that there are regions of the world where certain diseases are considered to be eradicated.

If you went to your doctor in the UK saying you had been bitten by a Jack Russell and you wanted a rabies vaccination, my guess is he would not prescribe one. Tetanus would be a good idea though if you are not up to date.

Regarding the wound no harm to go to your doctor and get it checked out, if it is infected you may need a course of antibiotics.

markwalker

bompington wrote:

I think if the owner lets a dog bite they should be put down. Possibly the dog too.

I got bitten by a rhodeshian ridgeback that ran out of a farm. It was f***in massive and it definatley broke the skin.

Once id kicked it off i stopped picked up some wood from the ropad and went back to kill it. The owner had appeared by that time and convieniently chained it for me. She was appalled and asked what i was doing so i told her. Next thing her friend was there woth a shot gun threateneing to shoot me if i killed the dog. I went to the police who told me that it had bitten a child the week beofre but the woman needed it for self defence as she lived on the farm wioth her horses on her own. Magistrates asked her to keep it under control. Nothing happened to the guy who threatened to shoot me because i was armed with a stick that id threateneed to kill the dog with. ???? who you know i guess.

I believe the dog died of poisoning a few weeks later and my hitherto pleasent cycling route was restored.

Its only a dog if it bites you kick its little shi%%y head in

celestecharlie

Once id kicked it off i stopped picked up some wood from the ropad and went back to kill it.

:shock:

Are you happy with the way you come across in your post?

markwalker

celestecharlie wrote:

Once id kicked it off i stopped picked up some wood from the ropad and went back to kill it.

:shock:

Are you happy with the way you come across in your post?

If youd just been attacked by a large out of control animal would you be angry or passive and offer it the othe calf? A dog as much as they are loved is an animal that should be kept under control end of.

But youre right it looks a bit off. :oops:

celestecharlie

Fair play mate. I agree you had every right to be absolutely seething, but I also think tw@tting the mutt with a plank crosses a line!

There is no way a dog of any breed or size should be anything other than under complete control all of the time and if an owner can't control it then they shouldn't own dogs. As someone who considers himself a responsible owner I don't want to find myself facing more legislation/restrictions because of those who are too stupid, lazy or irresponsible to look after their dogs properly.

Anonymous

markwalker, xRichx - any more of that and you'll be banned.

fungus_the_muffin_man

Ridge backs a re f***king HUGE! you must be mental to go back to one of them to try kill it

I actually looked after the last woman to be killed by rabies in this country on an ICU where I worked.
Having the rabies injection course of 5 injections over 5 weeks f**king hurt. I'm glad I don't have to go through that more often.

This is her, she didn't even get bitten properly and the puppy was on a lead

simple_salmon

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

This is her, she didn't even get bitten properly and the puppy was on a lead

But she was in India and I was in Leicestershire

I'll probably get a tetanus shot tomorrow. TBH it's practically disappeared and I think I'm OK.

millymoose

simple_salmon wrote:

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

This is her, she didn't even get bitten properly and the puppy was on a lead

But she was in India and I was in Leicestershire

I'll probably get a tetanus shot tomorrow. TBH it's practically disappeared and I think I'm OK.

I take it all back.......I didn't realise you were in LEICESTERSHIRE!!! ......... rife with Rabies up there!

simple_salmon

term1te

Its not just the dogs off lead you need to worry about. I used to go running in rural Berkshire at lunch times. Occasionally we came across a rather petite lady being taken for a drag by two large dobermans. When they saw us running towards them they would bark constantly foaming at the mouth and strain on the lead. The lady had real trouble restraining them, and looked as worried as we did. I changed my route for a while as a result and even turned around and went the other way once. She clearly wasn't in control of the dogs and shouldn't have been out with them.

And another thing... retractable dog leads and cycle paths, they don't mix. Someone was out walking two dogs early yesterday morning as I was cycling to work. Each dog on a retractable lead doing what ever it is dogs do in bushes, but on either side of the cycle path. I only saw one dog at first and had to stop sharpish with the other dogs lead a few inches from my front wheel when I saw it. Dog owner didn't say a word just gave me the "what are you doing on a cycle path" look. I spent the rest of the ride working out who would have come off worse if I had hit the lead with out slowing down.

DaSy

I remember riding in the Sierra Nevada mountains in Spain a few years ago, and was at the start of a days ride, dropping down a long gradual descent past a remote farm, when this enormous angry bear of a farm dog came lumbering out of the farm gates and chased after me. I was fresh and on a downhill, so I swerved and sprinted past it laughing...

I then proceeded to do about 90 miles in the mountains, and was only reminded it was an out and back route when, hauling myself up the last of many climbs of the day, I passed a familiar gate. The dog was just sitting, waiting, and you could almost hear it laughing as, instead of the 35mph I did past him last time, I was crawling at about 9mph with nothing left in the tank.
He came flying out at me, snarling and snapping, I was wildly weaving about the road, and even managed a bit of a sprint, and managed to get out of biting range, at which point it stopped chasing me. I was wasted, so dropped back to the 8 or 9 mph, at which point it decided that at that speed it could get me again, so he lumbered back up to speed, I mustered another pathetic sprint, and so this farcical ceremony went on for about 3 miles....

dennisn

What is it about bikes that dogs seem to "dislike"(to put it mildly)? Is it the spinning wheels or the rider, with his pumping legs, or just all the movement in general that gets them so "excited"??

simple_salmon

To be honest, thinking about it now I'm surprised the dog managed to get within a million miles of my trainers without suffocating

singlespeedexplosif

on the whole, dogs can be dealt with by a quick bit of 'dog polo'. just hang a leg out and let momentum do the rest. Ideally use the wheels of a passing bus as a 'hoop'.

Agreed that it's the owners who need to sort their act out rather than the mutts...I had some kind of terrier thing hanging off my thigh at one point last year. Straight through my Endura 3/4s and into the flesh. As I'm trying to prise the offending canine off, the owner says 'but...he doesn't bite'
erm...?!

...just take some fecking responsibility.

blorg

I think I read somewhere once that we are about the right size and moving at the right sort of speed that it triggers some sort of instinctive hunting response. There are dogs that chase cars but many will chase cyclists while ignoring cars completely.

To be honest to vast majority I have ever come across are quite harmless, it's almost more like it is a game for them and they won't actually try to bite you. Obviously not all!

These two were quite excitable but then they got bored.

pedylan

mtbing in Greece can be quite exciting. The terrain in the countryside can be a great rocky track heading into the wilderness so great day out potential.

But there is a form of Russian roulette involving farmers' dogs. The Greek farmers or shepherds keep their dogs chained up in gateways on these tracks with an oil barrel or similar for shelter. So, you approach the narrowing of the track and can see the barrel but don't know what's inside if anything. Rattle past at a decent speed and you could get hit by a flying intercept. Tentatively pedal up and you could just be a sitting duck. It makes sense to go through on the side opposite the barrel and hope for the best. If there''s two barrels, one either side......

Having said that the farmers' dogs in the sticks are worst I only had one truly terrifying moment and that was on the road in Greece. Sweeping down a mountain descent with quite exciting (for me) hairpins, I passed a roadside church that was visible from a long way up. Dog on the church steps had been eyeing me up all the way. Never saw it 'til it came out like a missile. Travelling downhill at a fair old lick I nearly had a heart attack.

blorg

I had one little fecker almost run through my front spokes once... to be honest this is a more common risk than one actually biting.

I used have one on a regular route I took, it would come flying out of its driveway at me as I passed. So one day I was expecting it and when it flew out as expected, I stopped, did a U-turn and cycled straight back at it. It froze, then flipped around and started pegging it back up the road occasionally bouncing off the hedge trying to get through it. Finally it managed to squeeze through a gate. Needless to say that dog never bothered me again

Note I would not try the above with a Rottweiler.

markwalker

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

Ridge backs a re f***king HUGE! you must be mental to go back to one of them to try kill it

I actually looked after the last woman to be killed by rabies in this country on an ICU where I worked.
Having the rabies injection course of 5 injections over 5 weeks f**king hurt. I'm glad I don't have to go through that more often.

This is her, she didn't even get bitten properly and the puppy was on a lead

They use these things to protect cattle from lions. There was no way i wasnt evening up the odds, I was kind of mental at that moment Flight or fight and all that. Fortunately no Rabies that must have been awful for all those people looking after the woman on your ward. And her of course.