Wheel Truing Stand Options?

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  • Jamey
    Jamey Posts: 2,152
    If you're building a database of rims try to include the maximum spoke tension recommendations from the manufacturers too, that's one piece of information that's often annoying to find out.
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  • 2Phat4Rapha
    2Phat4Rapha Posts: 238
    Jamey wrote:
    If you're building a database of rims try to include the maximum spoke tension recommendations from the manufacturers too, that's one piece of information that's often annoying to find out.

    Thanks Jamey, will do. It's one of those bits of info that takes some chasing. I guess if I was a lbs I might have catalogues and stuff like that. Manufacturers' web sites are often hopeless. Talking of which, why do they hide themselves away behind their distributors. You can't even send 'em a complement directly.

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  • dodgy
    dodgy Posts: 2,890
    There's definitely a website somewhere that has attempted to create a database of ERDs and spoke lengths for certain hubs. I'll try to find it.
  • dodgy
    dodgy Posts: 2,890
    Here it is, that took quicker than I thought! Though it's only for hub dimensions, no details on rims that I could see. http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc/

    Edit: He also has rim measurments on there, click 'rims' to see.
  • 2Phat4Rapha
    2Phat4Rapha Posts: 238
    dodgy wrote:
    Here it is, that took quicker than I thought! Though it's only for hub dimensions, no details on rims that I could see. http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc/

    Edit: He also has rim measurments on there, click 'rims' to see.

    Thanks Dodgy but been there. To get a bit more techie, the biggest issue is that everyone formats their data differently. Imagine having to capture stuff from web sites and trying to tidy it up to fit into a big general spreadsheet for hubs rims etc. . Gotta sort out everyone's different names for things, different orders, missing items etc. And copy/paste from web pages or pdfs is nasty. It's all just really tedious. Tried separate 'tables' for each component but current relational database set up lends itself better to a single parts list.
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  • dodgy
    dodgy Posts: 2,890
    Got you, it's a bloody nightmare. I don't think that manufacturers expect enthusiast riders to be assembling their own wheels so don't make the information readily available to us.
  • 4candles
    4candles Posts: 240
    I got the Hozan wheel building/trueing stand from Planet-X... it ain't small and at 11Kg not light either.
  • robbarker
    robbarker Posts: 1,367
    Jamey wrote:
    I've got a jig that's branded as "M-wave" and looks very similar to the Minoura one but with different feelers (though not much better by the sound of it) and it's pretty decent. Cost me about £40 and I've built a couple of wheels with it.

    How does building on that compare to the TS2 though?
  • crosstowncommuter
    crosstowncommuter Posts: 110
    Good thread, and very timely. I'm a relative novice at this having only built 4 wheels so far, but find its immensely satisfying to do, and if you take your time you can produce very good results.

    Surpising thing I have found is how a lot of people seem keen to put you off trying this saying its a "black art", and "why bother?", just take it to the bike shop.... I would encourage people to have a go and *definitely* get the Roger Musson PDF - its great, especially for a novice.

    Whilst there are not really any financial savings to be made, the ability to build your own wheels exactly as you want them is great. Not only that, but when your chain jumps and eats your driveside spokes on a Fri evening, at least you can get the wheel rebuilt for the ride into work on Monday - not easy if you have to rely on finding a bikeshop to do it at short notice on a Saturday!!!! Ask me how I know :wink:

    Anyway, at risk of veering off topic I am currently using an OK TACX truing stand that clamps onto a tabletop that cost me about 50 quid a year or so ago. Its fine for lateral adjustments, but the radial truing leaves a lot to be desired.

    Is there really no other option that is any good between the cheaper stands and the Park TM-2? Also has anyone used the dial guage accessory for the TM-2 (TM-2di?). Looks pricey, but I like the idea of the dial guages for making it easier to see how far out you are.

    I would definitely advise getting the TM-1 spoke tension tool. I am sure this has helped immensely in making the wheels I have completed so far last so well. The Park dishing guage (the big heavy metal one ) is also worth getting.

    Probably frowned on my the old school builders, but one other tool that I have found indespensible is this nipple driver bit with an adjustable pin - its pricey, but it works really well in an electric screwdriver with good low speed settings:

    http://www.parker-international.co.uk/1 ... e-Pin.html

    Anyone know where you can get the hub data online for the Ambrosio Zenith hubs? Also am I the only one that finds it hard to find places online that sell useful numbers of spokes for reasonable prices?
  • 2Phat4Rapha
    2Phat4Rapha Posts: 238
    Anyone know where you can get the hub data online for the Ambrosio Zenith hubs?

    See what you mean crosstown. http://www.ambrosio.co.uk not very helpful is it. In researching the database I'm trying to build I'm afraid I've found this pretty typical. They are behind Wormwood Scrubbs if you're near there or their number is 020 8965 2510.

    I have the following ..

    Front
    N (No of spoke holes = 28 / 32 /36
    Dia = 2.8
    PCDl = 38 (Pitch Circle Dia)
    PCDr = 38
    Wl = 34 (Centre to Flange left)
    Wr = 34 (Centre to Flange right)

    Rear
    N (No of spoke holes = 28 / 32 /36
    Dia = 2.8
    PCDl = 49
    PCDr = 49
    Wl = 37
    Wr = 16.5

    BUT! Covering my rear end, I have not yet confirmed any of my specs with the manufacturers.
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  • guitarpete247
    guitarpete247 Posts: 13
    I just got the Jobsworth stand from Planet X. It seems to be extremely similar to the Park. I might need to get a centring guage or make one to keep it accurate.
    Anyone know of plans, sizes etc or could I just make one at work on the laser cutter to make sure it's symmetrical?
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  • brettjmcc
    brettjmcc Posts: 1,361
    I've got the other Jobsworth stand with the dial indicators. Works well, just about to build my fifth set of wheels and have also rebuilt some others.

    I've also bought the TM-1 as other people have stated, but then went and built a calibration unit, so I can do that for the type of spoke before I build. I take the readings at 100, 110 and 120

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