The Shack Pro Tour licence

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited October 2009 in Pro race
4 year licence granted today for der Shack
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
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  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    iainf72 wrote:
    4 year licence granted today for der Shack


    Do their products last that long. ??
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  • Quite Frankly
    Quite Frankly Posts: 386
    How many teams is that with Pro Tour licenses now?

    17 was widely expected to be the maximum number for next year which might mean Astana miss out.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    They should have given them one year as standard and then charged an extortionate amount for three years extra warranty.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Quite Frankly wrote:
    How many teams is that with Pro Tour licenses now?

    17 was widely expected to be the maximum number for next year which might mean Astana miss out.

    Astana already have one. They're not up for renewal
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    Were Lance, JB or the sponsors really planning on being around that long?
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Interesting, as I'd heard the company, and separately Armstrong, state that they sponsorship was only on board for two years.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Were Lance, JB or the sponsors really planning on being around that long?

    Shack signed up for 2 years

    ie, while Lance is being a triathlete
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Woo, I beat all the English language media to it!
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • rockmount
    rockmount Posts: 761
    deejay wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    4 year licence granted today for der Shack


    Do their products last that long. ??

    Well I can tell you Garmin don't !!!
    .. who said that, internet forum people ?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/16102009/ ... entry.html

    Is this what passes for "journalism" these days?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Doobz
    Doobz Posts: 2,800
    looks like Eurosport are LA Fanboys - I hope the shack do get granted entry and lance gets dropped in the 1st week..
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    iainf72 wrote:
    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/16102009/58/radioshack-guaranteed-tour-entry.html

    Is this what passes for "journalism" these days?

    What should they have said?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    dennisn wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/16102009/58/radioshack-guaranteed-tour-entry.html

    Is this what passes for "journalism" these days?

    What should they have said?

    It's not automatic, these days, Dennis.

    Eurosport are heavily into Lance, with their "Planet Armstrong" shows.
    So, they are going to blow that trumpet.
    It's all about getting viewers for their coverage, other than their die hard followers.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/16102009/58/radioshack-guaranteed-tour-entry.html

    Is this what passes for "journalism" these days?

    What should they have said?

    It's not automatic, these days, Dennis.

    Eurosport are heavily into Lance, with their "Planet Armstrong" shows.
    So, they are going to blow that trumpet.
    It's all about getting viewers for their coverage, other than their die hard followers.

    Hate to say it, but I think it is "automatic". Especially where a seven time winner is concerned. The powers that decide these things(who gets an invite) are not stupid. They want the best race possible, with the most exposure, and even a bit of soap opera,
    if they can get it. They know Lance will bring a good, strong team. That's a given. Add to that the fact that there aren't too many riders out there with his "drawing power"(for lack of better words). It's win win for them to invite The Shack or "automatic", if you will.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    While it's not technically automatic, there's 0% chance of them not being invited. I'd say Sky are 90% certain too.

    Prudhomme will invite who the race sponsors and TV companies want - and that's not Vacansoliel and Skil-Shimano.
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  • micron
    micron Posts: 1,843
    Depending on what the French Department of Publich Health discover between now and then, presumably.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    dennisn wrote:
    Hate to say it, but I think it is "automatic". Especially where a seven time winner is concerned. The powers that decide these things(who gets an invite) are not stupid. They want the best race possible, with the most exposure, and even a bit of soap opera,

    That might be but I'm not talking about Lance.

    Does having a PT licence mean you'll get into the Tour? No it does not.

    Piss poor research.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    RichN95 wrote:
    While it's not technically automatic, there's 0% chance of them not being invited. I'd say Sky are 90% certain too.

    Prudhomme will invite who the race sponsors and TV companies want - and that's not Vacansoliel and Skil-Shimano.

    I'd say the French TV companies and French sponsors are pretty keen for the Feillu brothers to show up... particularly Brice.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    On the subject of the French. I bet they are pleased that BBox and Cofidis got the PT boot, based upon their results for this year alone, while Sky and Shack get a 4 year pass and it doesn't matter if they win sod all, for the entire time, just as long as the sponsorship money survives.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    afx237vi wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    While it's not technically automatic, there's 0% chance of them not being invited. I'd say Sky are 90% certain too.

    Prudhomme will invite who the race sponsors and TV companies want - and that's not Vacansoliel and Skil-Shimano.

    I'd say the French TV companies and French sponsors are pretty keen for the Feillu brothers to show up... particularly Brice.

    I see that but I don't see them letting in another French team on the basis of the latest Big French Hope, when they're giving two non-protour French teams a wildcard already. Prudhomme, I think, isn't that Franco-centric. He can't invite three French Conti teams over the ProTour teams.

    If there are Protour teams at risk then it's Fuji Servetto (how are they still Protour?), Lampre and Milram.

    Armstrong's inclusion is a given - just as much as U2 wanting to play a festival is a given, for commercial reasons - and he has two podium guys backing him up.

    Sky offer not only EBH, but a route into Europe's biggest (properly) untapped market as far as the Tour are concerned.

    The Tour is a business and they're not going to turn up big publicity for the next David Moncoutie. Young Brice and his agent should have realised this
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Vacansoleil are Dutch, not French. And the Tour starts in the Netherlands. Plus Vacansoleil showed during the Vuelta that they have a good set of riders who can liven up a grand tour.

    I agree that Radio Shack and Sky are virtually guaranteed entry, but I still think Vacansoleil will get in.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited October 2009
    afx237vi wrote:
    Vacansoleil are Dutch, not French. And the Tour starts in the Netherlands. Plus Vacansoleil showed during the Vuelta that they have a good set of riders who can liven up a grand tour.

    I agree that Radio Shack and Sky are virtually guaranteed entry, but I still think Vacansoleil will get in.

    I'm not saying that Vacansoliel won't get in. But it won't be at the expense of Sky or Caddyshack. More likely Fuji - but Prudhomme will have a hard time explaining it to the UCI.

    Vacansoliel may be Dutch, but the talent is French
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  • GroupOfOne MkII
    GroupOfOne MkII Posts: 1,289
    I think Vacansoleil are a shoe in too, especially with their signing of the Feillu brothers. In fact I wouldn't mind betting there's been some behind the scenes acknowledgement from ASO to either Vacansoleil or the Feillu's that should they sign, the team will get a ride.

    Makes sense to have them replace Skil, especially with the race starting in Rotterdam, and as afx says, Vacansoleil having proved they can win do well in a GT. The team plan to expand further, so I'd imagine we'll see them on the scene for sometime yet.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    As I can see it, there are 18 ProTour teams. Bbox and Cofidis are guaranteed. Cervelo aren't going to be turned down - so that's 21.

    So it comes down to a decision between Vancansoleil or the ProTour teams who have least to offer - which isn't Caddyshack or Sky. It's Fuji, who I imagine that UCI would like to strip their licence from, or Milram (or a Contadorless Astana). None offer much to get excited about.

    (IainF, I know Sky aren't amazing, but there's some interest there)
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    FWIW, Rumpf has confirmed there will be 18 PT teams next year
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    No more Agritubel, either.
    The Tour can support 22 teams, even if it hasn't, recently.
    No one has to miss out.
    Of course all it takes is a major doping bust, for any of the teams to get left out in the cold.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    On the subject of the French. I bet they are pleased that BBox and Cofidis got the PT boot, based upon their results for this year alone, while Sky and Shack get a 4 year pass and it doesn't matter if they win sod all, for the entire time, just as long as the sponsorship money survives.

    i agree - really ticks me off in procycling that, just cos you are a 'small team that plays fair, trys really hard but because of the standards of your sponsor you get kicked in the teeth, no other sport would treat its teams with such flippant distain
  • samb01
    samb01 Posts: 130
    RichN95 wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    I'm not saying that Vacansoliel won't get in. But it won't be at the expense of Sky or Caddyshack. More likely Fuji - but Prudhomme will have a hard time explaining it to the UCI.
    There is no Fuji-Servetto next year. Besides, I was under the impression that ASO was not bound by the Pro Tour when selecting teams for the TdF. Has this changed?

    Btw, Agritubel might be gone, but Saur - Sojasun (this year: Besson Chaussures - Sojasun) will be a new French pro-cont team.

    I'm betting on 22 teams in the 2010 TdF.
  • Arkibal
    Arkibal Posts: 850
    iainf72 wrote:
    FWIW, Rumpf has confirmed there will be 18 PT teams next year

    Does this mean Astana keeps it's license?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Arkibal wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    FWIW, Rumpf has confirmed there will be 18 PT teams next year

    Does this mean Astana keeps it's license?

    I'd expect so. I believe the UCI had a lot of say in who took the general manager role as they weren't happy with Martinelli
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.

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