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ok then with both eyes squinting :roll:'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0
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Again, it's not.
I've worn headphons on a bicycle for 2 years since I got a phone with radio, and I've never once being any higher at risk of being in an accident on putting someone else at risk compared to when not wearing headphones.
It's just like what's being dumped on clarkons drive this argument. Maybe some people find it extreamly hard to concentrate and are all over the road, no aware of their surroundings with headphones on and that's maybe why they think it's no safe to wear them, when with me, nothing like that happens.0 -
How do people modify their cycling behaviour by being able to hear?
If I'm riding along and I hear a car behind, I don't modify my cycling for the driver. Do you "hearing" people pull over? Do you wave?
If the driver is going to pass me too close or ram me off the road, being able to hear isn't going to make a difference.
You're going to be in trouble when everyone is driving electric cars.Weather info: http://www.staydry.me.uk0 -
One situation I can think of it being a problem is police, fire or ambulance coming behind, but only if you had ear phones on stupidly loud, at my level I can hear cars, sirens, horns etc...
I struggle to do a long ride on my own without music, time goes so slowly it's awfull, however on club runs time goes even faster than when I'm on my own with music on.
No car will be silent unless it hovers, if you could mute a car engine as you are driving along there would be allot of noise still, wind resistance, the tyres on the road, the weight probably making things louder, a bicycle is not silent, can be quite loud on some surfaces.0 -
Flambes wrote:How do people modify their cycling behaviour by being able to hear?
If I'm riding along and I hear a car behind, I don't modify my cycling for the driver. Do you "hearing" people pull over? Do you wave?
If the driver is going to pass me too close or ram me off the road, being able to hear isn't going to make a difference.
You're going to be in trouble when everyone is driving electric cars.
...err...you may ride over the hole in the road rather than pull wide of it?.....0 -
Porgy wrote:
anyone who wants to use a mobile phone - in public or not - should automatically fail the test and be made to work as a road labourer until they drop down dead.pedylan wrote:Pokerface wrote:There definitely should be some sort of breeding test/license!
An intellectual means test. If you fail it you don't get to vote, drive, post on cycling forums, use the internet, clog up the bandwith, travel abroad, keep pets or use mobile phones in public.
Apart from that I'd generally be happy to take a tolerant view of the range of abilities possessed by my fellow citizens. :evil:
Now, where were we regarding wearing earphones.
Really? Using a mobile phone pisses you off that much?0 -
Fair point regarding earphones.. it is asking for trouble.
However it's a bit of a joke to get road-use advice from a motorbiking magazine, considering that I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen motorbikers riding around at the speed limit, and actually happily sitting in traffic with other vehicles. I'm much more accustomed to having to quickly wind up my window as yet another motorbike comes blasting past my car window at 100MPH+ for fear of having my eardrum blown out.
Motorcyclists, in my experience, are by far the very worst road users I'm afraid. Speedlimits are merely a guideline which are rarely ever adhered too. And I don't think I'm discriminating. If they're on anything which resembles a superbike, they will be speeding! Folks on BMW touring bikes, etc do tend to behave themselves.Planet X Nanolight High Modulus (Roadie) | 2008 Giant Bowery (Fixie)0 -
Yes that description if superbike riders is correct and actually describes my riding style.0
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+1.ride_whenever wrote:I'm sorry he's completely right...
The road is a dangerous place, and we should do everything, and be seen to do everything, to minimize the risks to ourselves and other road users. Earphones have no place on the road.
You only need to listen to someone wearing headphones sing to appreciate their grasp of reality ........................0 -
I guess all those who are so anti- headphone use when cycling never drive with the radio on either i take it? :roll:Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0
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I can't speak for others, but I never use the cd/radio in the car. Irrespective of this, I think the argument refers to the isolation caused by earphones.teagar wrote:I guess all those who are so anti- headphone use when cycling never drive with the radio on either i take it? :roll:0 -
teagar wrote:I guess all those who are so anti- headphone use when cycling never drive with the radio on either i take it? :roll:
whats that got to do with it? my car has crumple zones and airbags- i am relatively protected whereas on a bike im not
have you watched pedestrians with ipods trying to cross roads? the risks they put themselves at show how dangerous it is in traffic with limited hearing.'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0 -
fast as fupp wrote:teagar wrote:I guess all those who are so anti- headphone use when cycling never drive with the radio on either i take it? :roll:
whats that got to do with it? my car has crumple zones and airbags- i am relatively protected whereas on a bike im not
have you watched pedestrians with ipods trying to cross roads? the risks they put themselves at show how dangerous it is in traffic with limited hearing.
So if you were driving and old car without crumple zones etc you wouldn't?
You're going an awful lot faster in a car.
I don't think there's much difference.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
teagar wrote:fast as fupp wrote:teagar wrote:I guess all those who are so anti- headphone use when cycling never drive with the radio on either i take it? :roll:
whats that got to do with it? my car has crumple zones and airbags- i am relatively protected whereas on a bike im not
have you watched pedestrians with ipods trying to cross roads? the risks they put themselves at show how dangerous it is in traffic with limited hearing.
So if you were driving and old car without crumple zones etc you wouldn't?
You're going an awful lot faster in a car.
I don't think there's much difference.
no?
car hit wall at 30mph chances are ill walk away
car hit me at 30mph doubt if ill be walking for a while at least
not much difference there?'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0 -
fast as fupp wrote:teagar wrote:fast as fupp wrote:teagar wrote:I guess all those who are so anti- headphone use when cycling never drive with the radio on either i take it? :roll:
whats that got to do with it? my car has crumple zones and airbags- i am relatively protected whereas on a bike im not
have you watched pedestrians with ipods trying to cross roads? the risks they put themselves at show how dangerous it is in traffic with limited hearing.
So if you were driving and old car without crumple zones etc you wouldn't?
You're going an awful lot faster in a car.
I don't think there's much difference.
no?
car hit wall at 30mph chances are ill walk away
car hit me at 30mph doubt if ill be walking for a while at least
not much difference there?
In the car. :roll:
I'm not talking pedestrians. You are.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
yeah right, whatever
carry on!'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0 -
I guess all those who are so anti- headphone use when cycling never drive with the radio on either i take it?
Different kettle of fish IMHO but I do fully understand the point you're trying to make - I just don't agree with it.
In a car, you use your mirrors and you look around before making a maneuvre. The only time being able to hear the noise of other traffic would be if a car was hammering towards you bouncing off the rev limiter or something and you hadn't seen it - in any other situation, you wouldn't hear it until it hit you. Car engines are quiet, and cars are better insulated from noise. The only time it's potentially 'wrong' is for emergency services trying to get past - if you've got your stereo thumping and you can't hear them, then that's a bit bad.
On a bike, you have limited vision - turning around whilst hunched over on drops or something is awkward and you don't generally have mirrors. Hearing a vehicle approaching, especially something like a big truck, is (in my opinion at least) important.Planet X Nanolight High Modulus (Roadie) | 2008 Giant Bowery (Fixie)0 -
Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0
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Chicane-UK wrote:I guess all those who are so anti- headphone use when cycling never drive with the radio on either i take it?
Different kettle of fish IMHO but I do fully understand the point you're trying to make - I just don't agree with it.
In a car, you use your mirrors and you look around before making a maneuvre. The only time being able to hear the noise of other traffic would be if a car was hammering towards you bouncing off the rev limiter or something and you hadn't seen it - in any other situation, you wouldn't hear it until it hit you. Car engines are quiet, and cars are better insulated from noise. The only time it's potentially 'wrong' is for emergency services trying to get past - if you've got your stereo thumping and you can't hear them, then that's a bit bad.
On a bike, you have limited vision - turning around whilst hunched over on drops or something is awkward and you don't generally have mirrors. Hearing a vehicle approaching, especially something like a big truck, is (in my opinion at least) important.
Then you'd agree that it's partly to do with the competency with which you cycle? Those who are experienced are unlikely to suffer the same drop in awareness?
I doubt anyone here would suggest deaf people would be stupid to ride bicycles on the road.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
Then you'd agree that it's partly to do with the competency with which you cycle?
I'd say that competence is a big factor for both motorists and cyclists, so yes I'd agree with you completely. Of course you could be the most competent cyclst in the world, but if you cross paths with an incompetent driver, it's all kinda moot! Planet X Nanolight High Modulus (Roadie) | 2008 Giant Bowery (Fixie)0 -
If I'm on the road itself I cycle with just one headphone in my ear...why because it's also my handsfree on my iPhone so it does at least mean I can answer the phone.
Even if I have music on, but the time I'm on the road it is so low I can't hear it anyway, even then nine times out of ten I will have the music switched off completly.
I do have my headphones in while I'm on the cycle paths around Exeter, I will admit that, but rarely on the roads and never when I am out on a club ride around the roads near Dartmouth which are frankly hair raising when you have your wits about you. It should be intesting when I have to start using the intercoms with the group leader (I do first aid) and have him chattering away in my ear!Officers don't run, it's undignified and panics the men0 -
Chicane-UK wrote:I guess all those who are so anti- headphone use when cycling never drive with the radio on either i take it?
Different kettle of fish IMHO but I do fully understand the point you're trying to make - I just don't agree with it.
In a car, you use your mirrors and you look around before making a maneuvre. The only time being able to hear the noise of other traffic would be if a car was hammering towards you bouncing off the rev limiter or something and you hadn't seen it - in any other situation, you wouldn't hear it until it hit you. Car engines are quiet, and cars are better insulated from noise. The only time it's potentially 'wrong' is for emergency services trying to get past - if you've got your stereo thumping and you can't hear them, then that's a bit bad.
On a bike, you have limited vision - turning around whilst hunched over on drops or something is awkward and you don't generally have mirrors. Hearing a vehicle approaching, especially something like a big truck, is (in my opinion at least) important.
Exactly. Cars are so well insulated that motorists can't rely on sound anyway, hence mirrors to work out what's going on behind before making a manoeuvre. On a bike, sound is one of 2 major sense which allow you to judge what's going on.Do not write below this line. Office use only.0 -
This boring subject again. Wearing headphones is fine, i've done it for the last 7 years. You'd have to be stupid to have it too loud so that you can't hear whats going on around you. You'd also have to be completely stupid to write a column like the link in the op's post.0
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markyboy2005 wrote:Porgy wrote:
anyone who wants to use a mobile phone - in public or not - should automatically fail the test and be made to work as a road labourer until they drop down dead.pedylan wrote:Pokerface wrote:There definitely should be some sort of breeding test/license!
An intellectual means test. If you fail it you don't get to vote, drive, post on cycling forums, use the internet, clog up the bandwith, travel abroad, keep pets or use mobile phones in public.
Apart from that I'd generally be happy to take a tolerant view of the range of abilities possessed by my fellow citizens. :evil:
Now, where were we regarding wearing earphones.
Really? Using a mobile phone pisses you off that much?
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fast as fupp wrote:yeah right, whatever
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listen mate, why are you so intent on winning this argument? - can't you accept that some people can wear headphones and not die instantly under the wheels of a car or cause problems for other road users. I've been managing for 27 odd years without incident.
If you can't wear headphones and ride safely then that's fine - you know your limitations and good on you - others like me are more talented! 0 -
Headhuunter wrote:Chicane-UK wrote:I guess all those who are so anti- headphone use when cycling never drive with the radio on either i take it?
Different kettle of fish IMHO but I do fully understand the point you're trying to make - I just don't agree with it.
In a car, you use your mirrors and you look around before making a maneuvre. The only time being able to hear the noise of other traffic would be if a car was hammering towards you bouncing off the rev limiter or something and you hadn't seen it - in any other situation, you wouldn't hear it until it hit you. Car engines are quiet, and cars are better insulated from noise. The only time it's potentially 'wrong' is for emergency services trying to get past - if you've got your stereo thumping and you can't hear them, then that's a bit bad.
On a bike, you have limited vision - turning around whilst hunched over on drops or something is awkward and you don't generally have mirrors. Hearing a vehicle approaching, especially something like a big truck, is (in my opinion at least) important.
Exactly. Cars are so well insulated that motorists can't rely on sound anyway, hence mirrors to work out what's going on behind before making a manoeuvre. On a bike, sound is one of 2 major sense which allow you to judge what's going on.
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Porgy wrote:broken record :roll:
To each his own I understand both sides of the argument - but I like the logic in mine better! Planet X Nanolight High Modulus (Roadie) | 2008 Giant Bowery (Fixie)0 -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1215131/ROBERT-HARDMAN-Lycra-louts-drive-crazy.html another one, site link got from cycling weekly on twitter. just let you all know, be careful and be thankful for the good drivers0
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Chicane-UK wrote:Porgy wrote:broken record :roll:
To each his own I understand both sides of the argument - but I like the logic in mine better!
In the end it doesn't come down to argument - there's no logic on either side - just personal choice.
If I ride safely and legally wearing headphones then there's no argument for me to stop.
There's also no argument to make you wear headphones, if you think that you are not able to do this that is fine.
What's not fine is to be told that you deserve to die because you wear headphones and then for a load of cyclist to come on and reinforce this view with no evidence whatsoever, just personal opinions and prejudice.0 -
No way! this is really not true - I have complete and full awareness of everything around me - soemthing that I struggle to have in a car with all its associated blind spots and distortions you inevitably have through a mirror.Chicane-UK wrote:[On a bike, you have limited vision -turning around whilst hunched over on drops or something is awkward and you don't generally have mirrors..
The answers easy there - I don't have drops - I don't have this problem at all. Maybe if I did I wouldn;t wear headphones.
eyes are much better than ears in heavy traffic - if i relied on my ears i wouldn;t know what was going on behind or beside me - bored motorists revving their engines usually - and i'd probably hit quite a few other cyclists too as they tend not to make enough noise to be heard above the engines.0
