Me and Hope are finished

Bungalow Bill

Now I knew the Aluminum hub wouldnt last forever but 2 months in and this much degredation grrrrr

Took 2 of us and a crow bar to get the cassette off, never again!!!!

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The Northern Monkey

what cassette?

Bungalow Bill

Sram p990

P-Jay

I wish they gave the option of the steel body when you buy them new. They're great hubs, but I don't really need to save a couple of grams, but it is a bit of a mission to get the 'wrong' type of cassett off.

I take it after the crow bar your cassett is ready for the bin? Replace it with an XT or SLX cassett and it shouldn't happen again.

Monkeypump

Mine looks a bit like that (same hub, same cassette), which is annoying, but 2 of you AND a crowbar? A little heavy-handed perhaps? My cassette seems to come off a little easier, even though it takes some jiggling.

All the spokes fell out too, by the look of it...

Are you tightening the lockring to the recommended torque?

Bungalow Bill

@ PJ dont think it would matter really, ive always used sram not a big fan of shimano just a personal preference thing. Cassette was fine lots of force but we where gentle as well fitted onto my spindoctor hub now working fine :-D


@ monkeypump, the rim was dented hence why I was taking it apart after two months its now a nice paperweight as it was cheaper to get a new wheel than a new rim and a build.

The torque was within the recommended tolerances, just aluminum sucks haha, the price of a new hub shocked me hence I just got a whole new wheel.

stumpyjon

The P990 is on an alloy spider isn't it? Thought that was what you were supposed to use on Hope hubs.

Sir HC

PG990 is on an alloy carrier for the larger gears, that damage would suggest you were using a cheaper cassette that each individual sprocket comes into contact with the freehub.

stu8975

As Sir HC says, i doubt it would cause damage like that if its a PG990 cassette with alloy spider as the individual sprocket dont touch the freehub body, where as a PG 970 would be more likey to do that sort of damage. You sure its not a lesser sram cassette with a PG990 lockring?

Bungalow Bill

I was using a p990 I can assure you of that its the only type of cassette I own.

Bungalow Bill

Having said that i did have some Shimano piece of crap that came with my bike that we fitted so yeah was not the P990 that did all the damage my bad, that went in the the scrap pile. But the damage still made it nai on impossible to get the P990 off when it was time and it was only on two months so it still did enough damage to the top to make it hard to remove.

I wont be touching hope hubs again untill they come with the option for the carried material, miss my loud clicks but the spin doctors are loud enough

Da Mighty Chicken

Bungalow Bill wrote:

Having said that i did have some Shimano piece of crap that came with my bike that we fitted so yeah was not the P990 that did all the damage my bad, that went in the the scrap pile. But the damage still made it nai on impossible to get the P990 off when it was time and it was only on two months so it still did enough damage to the top to make it hard to remove.

I wont be touching hope hubs again untill they come with the option for the carried material, miss my loud clicks but the spin doctors are loud enough

How long was the other cassette fitted for?

Sir HC

You could just file the burrs off and make sure you use cassettes with carriers.

Bungalow Bill

Wouldn't have been more than 10 days soon as my bike arrived I ordered a new cassette as I didn't have a spare one.

Bungalow Bill

Sir HC wrote:

You could just file the burrs off and make sure you use cassettes with carriers.

Was the plan untill the price of a build and rim was added up, Im just kinda peeved at the cost of the item and the state it's in after two months, many solutions to it but not really the point IMO.

ride_whenever

What are you doing with the hub? I'll take it off your hands for the price of postage seeing as it's such a heap of junk!!!!

trailpuppet

have a butchers at american classics wheels, they have steel tips/inserts on the freehub to prevent what happened to yours

Bungalow Bill

ride_whenever wrote:

What are you doing with the hub? I'll take it off your hands for the price of postage seeing as it's such a heap of junk!!!!

It's on my long term project list for now, as I said it was cheaper to get a new wheel than it was a rim and a build and a new freehub.

Rite now I have no use for it, depending what I buy next Ill either pay for the build or e-bay it.

Im not saying the hub is junk just the stupid freehub .

Monkeypump

The PG990 only has the largest few cogs on the alloy spider - the others are individual and sit directly on the freehub (with spacers).

It's these individual cogs that seem to do the damage (or for me, at least, this is the case). Plus, these are the gears that I spend most time in, which may exacerbate the problem.

nicklouse

sorry there is no way that hub has been used with a pg 990 or a pg 980

you can count every single steel cog.

You were not sold a pg 990

Bungalow Bill

nicklouse wrote:

sorry there is no way that hub has been used with a pg 990 or a pg 980

you can count every single steel cog.

You were not sold a pg 990

I stated down in the posts it didn't originally have one on as I had some Shimano stuff fitted for the first week or so untill my p990 arrived.

The damage caused is still bad for the use it had, you can see the top end has a lot more damage where the spider did not sit on the top cogs.

topsey_turvey

Damage looks to have definitely been caused by using individual sprockets on an alloy carrier. One of the biggest no nos going. Get a steel freehub and don't worry about the weight gain, you'll never notice it. Don't use cheap gear either. As Mrs Turvey says - "Buy cheap and you buy twice"

Bungalow Bill

I dont do cheap ever lol, as I said the crappy setup was on for max two weeks while i awaited my spider goodies.

But that wont stop the top end burring.

The wheel sets come with it as standard and dropping an extra 50 quid on a new free hub for a brand new wheel makes me sad, Ill see what I do when I get my new bike for now my halo/spin doctors are doing the job just fine

Still a lot peeved but hey thats life.

Monkeypump

nicklouse wrote:

sorry there is no way that hub has been used with a pg 990 or a pg 980

you can count every single steel cog.

You were not sold a pg 990

Hmmm... I think the damage to mine is similar but not across the entire freehub, so Nicklouse may have a point...

Bungalow Bill

Monkeypump wrote:

nicklouse wrote:

sorry there is no way that hub has been used with a pg 990 or a pg 980

you can count every single steel cog.

You were not sold a pg 990

Hmmm... I think the damage to mine is similar but not across the entire freehub, so Nicklouse may have a point...

I had the non p990 on for up to two weeks before I received it, I only use the P990 so it's all I have the damage from below must have been in the use of shitmano before hand

Anonymous

So, the freehub is fine, if you just de-burr it, you have the correct type of cassette, but buying a whole new wheel is cheaper than getting a rim, and a wheel build?

Something smells fishy to me. How can you possibly have a decent hub in a wheel that costs less than the price of a good rim + build?

Sir HC

Monkeypump wrote:

The PG990 only has the largest few cogs on the alloy spider - the others are individual and sit directly on the freehub (with spacers).

It's these individual cogs that seem to do the damage (or for me, at least, this is the case). Plus, these are the gears that I spend most time in, which may exacerbate the problem.

I'm pretty sure that even the lower sprockets have wide teeth on them.

Bungalow Bill wrote:

Sir HC wrote:

You could just file the burrs off and make sure you use cassettes with carriers.

Was the plan untill the price of a build and rim was added up, Im just kinda peeved at the cost of the item and the state it's in after two months, many solutions to it but not really the point IMO.

Why do you need a new rim/hub when 10mins with a small file will fix the damage.

The Northern Monkey

lets see your cassette then....
as nick said, there aint a chance that a cassette on a carrier would have done damage like that!

Monkeypump

@Sir HC - can't remember if the smaller sprockets have wider teeth. Possibly, but it doesn't prevent some damage. Been as while since the cassette has been off...

I didn't need a crowbar to get the cassette off though, and some minor filing of the burrs did sort it out (still marked, obviously, but cassette removal easy).

Anyway, feel like I've hijacked this thread. Will pipe down now...

Bungalow Bill

Sir HC wrote:

Monkeypump wrote:

The PG990 only has the largest few cogs on the alloy spider - the others are individual and sit directly on the freehub (with spacers).

It's these individual cogs that seem to do the damage (or for me, at least, this is the case). Plus, these are the gears that I spend most time in, which may exacerbate the problem.

I'm pretty sure that even the lower sprockets have wide teeth on them.

Bungalow Bill wrote:

Sir HC wrote:

You could just file the burrs off and make sure you use cassettes with carriers.

Was the plan untill the price of a build and rim was added up, Im just kinda peeved at the cost of the item and the state it's in after two months, many solutions to it but not really the point IMO.

Why do you need a new rim/hub when 10mins with a small file will fix the damage.

I smashed up my rim hence why I was taking it apart.

Bungalow Bill

yeehaamcgee wrote:

So, the freehub is fine, if you just de-burr it, you have the correct type of cassette, but buying a whole new wheel is cheaper than getting a rim, and a wheel build?

Something smells fishy to me. How can you possibly have a decent hub in a wheel that costs less than the price of a good rim + build?

So a new rim costs for what I had say 50 quid (DT SWISS 5.1)

Upgrading the Freehub to steel to prevent this issue from reoccurring again another 50 quid.

A standard wheel build at from say evans 35 Quid.

Plane tickets to the UK 300 Quid

Or I get a new one sent out to me and use the hub for a long term project.

If I had been in the UK maybe I would have done a rebuild but even then waiting lists where huge when I was last home so wasn't an option in the time frame I had.