Lance and Cav quit Tour of Ireland before the big hill
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dennisn wrote:eh wrote:WTF? How has this turned into a LA thread yet again, ....?
Well, you've got BikingBernie, frenchfighter, and a few others involved. I would say that's
probably, at the very least, part of it. Those guys are anywhere Lance is. Kinda weird.
Yet you're anywhere those guys are. Weirder.0 -
afx237vi wrote:dennisn wrote:eh wrote:WTF? How has this turned into a LA thread yet again, ....?
Well, you've got BikingBernie, frenchfighter, and a few others involved. I would say that's
probably, at the very least, part of it. Those guys are anywhere Lance is. Kinda weird.
Yet you're anywhere those guys are. Weirder.
No, I called you weird first. So take that.0 -
BikingBernie wrote:But I have passed no comment specifically relating to Pharmstrong! Rather, I was expressing my view that racing in the wet on dodgy roads is actually a part of the sport, or at least it was when I was a lad.
Doesn't matter whether you mention him or not. If he can be, in any way linked, however tenuously, some will perceive any general negative comment as an attack upon the sainted one, regardless.
The fact that Paris-Roubaix has been brought up, should preclude Armstrong from the debate.
At the end of the day, it is the riders decision. I supposed in that respect, it is a non-story.
I wouldn't tell that to the thousands of soaked fans, waiting on St Pats, for the spectacle, though.
Put it down to Global warming, Health and Safety protocol and the importance of the race.
This should not detract from RD's brilliant riding, not just this year, but last, too."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Dn.
You can take the black suit. I'll take the L-S rider lying in the mud. Anyday.
An no I am not jealous of an American devoid of style or class.
95% of what you post I don't even read let alone think of commenting on but I couldn't help it this time.Contador is the Greatest0 -
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I tried to avoid this happening and then the likes of Roscobob waded in....eh wrote:WTF? How has this turned into a LA thread yet again, no one spotted the other 50-60 riders who also packed then?0 -
Too true! Then once that happens, the temptation is to bite back!Blazing Saddles wrote:
Doesn't matter whether you mention him or not. If he can be, in any way linked, however tenuously, some will perceive any general negative comment as an attack upon the sainted one, regardless.BikingBernie wrote:But I have passed no comment specifically relating to Pharmstrong! Rather, I was expressing my view that racing in the wet on dodgy roads is actually a part of the sport, or at least it was when I was a lad.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:FLAHUTE.
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So what you trying to say here , that Lance has never ridden in the rain or mud before ? or Cav or any of the other riders who packed before the end, ? as andyp says this a non story move on..............Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
This is getting ridiculous. :roll:
Just to remind people that Armstrong does have a bit of history with the rain;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3n8yS4Hd-o0 -
dennisn wrote:
Nice comeback :roll:
Not that I have the right to question anyone's motivation for posting here, but at least the other two do occasionally discuss cycling issues. Unlike you, who only ever discusses other users, and their motivation for posting here.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:Doesn't matter whether you mention him or not. If he can be, in any way linked, however tenuously, some will perceive any general negative comment as an attack upon the sainted one, regardless.
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Blazing you and i know that you would hardly bat an eyelid about riders packing a race in early........but lance is among the 60 odd riedrs and all of a sudden you and others are on your not so high horses about riders in particular lance packing in races becuase its wet. I mean we even have frenchfighter posting picks of riders in the rain............i mean wtf ?Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
Just appreciate the first 6 photos of champions riding in wet conditions. Or would you rather I posted a photo of Lance with black socks and shoes, or of him jogging with his top off and his muscles on show which none of the pure climbers have.
I bet you haven't seen all of those ones and wouldn't be surprised if you hadn't seen any of them.Contador is the Greatest0 -
afx237vi wrote:dennisn wrote:
Nice comeback :roll:
Not that I have the right to question anyone's motivation for posting here, but at least the other two do occasionally discuss cycling issues. Unlike you, who only ever discusses other users, and their motivation for posting here.
Its not often the other two discuss cycling issues other than LA and drugs in Aurelios case.Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
BikingBernie wrote:
I tried to avoid this happening and then the likes of Roscobob waded in....eh wrote:WTF? How has this turned into a LA thread yet again, no one spotted the other 50-60 riders who also packed then?
The topic was about Armstrong. It had already started.
I appreciate a lot of your points on the forum I just think a lot of the anti Armstrong stuff is boring. If it wasn't Armstrong then you'd find someone else to obsess about I would imagine, but, your obvious knowledge and experience would be better served in a more positive way helping the beginners on this forum rather than poisening their minds with all this before they've even gotten started with the sport.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Just appreciate the first 6 photos of champions riding in wet conditions. Or would you rather I posted a photo of Lance with black socks and shoes, or of him jogging with his top off and his muscles on show which none of the pure climbers have.
I bet you haven't seen all of those ones and wouldn't be surprised if you hadn't seen any of them.
Not in the habit of scouring the net for photos of men with their tops off..............you clearly are but whatever floats your boat though each to their own i say...........enjoy whatever it is you do with them pics.Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Dn.
You can take the black suit. I'll take the L-S rider lying in the mud. Anyday.
An no I am not jealous of an American devoid of style or class.
95% of what you post I don't even read let alone think of commenting on but I couldn't help it this time.
Gotta ask.
What's the problem with someone wearing a black suit?
And what does it have to do with someone lying in the mud?
How do these two things get across, to me, any idea of what you're saying?
I still say jealousy is playing a big part in your posts. You just haven't got around to admitting it yet. You will eventually.
As for the 95%, I never even thought 5% was getting through to anyone. So now I feel better.
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have ridden patricks hill racing as a junior in ireland, rain n wind is all part of the challenge.. typical of lance n cav 2 quit.. thought russel downing was great.. a true battler.. was most aggressive cyclist n deserved to win.. a true cyclist, not afraid of a bit of rain or wind.. are these multi-million pound cyclist really worth their money? NO.. Cavendish is so overrated! the manner of a dog n would be nothing without a good team n leadout man!! as for lance ! well he's just a sunday cyclist. all style n no substance unless those substances are EPO!! what a buch of pussies!Klien
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Moray Gub wrote:afx237vi wrote:Nice comeback :roll:
Not that I have the right to question anyone's motivation for posting here, but at least the other two do occasionally discuss cycling issues. Unlike you, who only ever discusses other users, and their motivation for posting here.
Its not often the other two discuss cycling issues other than LA and drugs in Aurelios case.
At least it's cycling related. FF is a little crazy when he gets into the LA topics, but he also posts in the live race discussion threads.
Aurelio waits to comment on LA, dennisn waits to comment on aurelio. They're no different.0 -
I looked at your posts MG - it looks like you don't post in anything other than Lance threads.
I'm afraid no one can touch afx - he is one of the best posters on the Pro Race forums.Contador is the Greatest0 -
andyp wrote:This is getting ridiculous. :roll:
Just to remind people that Armstrong does have a bit of history with the rain;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3n8yS4Hd-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6DmNMGE ... PL&index=3
Pissed with rain that day as well as you say this is getting ridiculousGasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
frenchfighter wrote:I looked at your posts MG - it looks like you don't post in anything other than Lance threads.
I'm afraid no one can touch afx - he is one of the best posters on the Pro Race forums.
I post in many threads not concering Lance the problem is you are so obsessed with him you cant see that. as for not touching afx why would i want to that would be more your thing id imagine.Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
Never mind all that b*ll*x .. I take great heart in the fact that Malcolm Elliot managed to finish 21st overall. Top man, and inspiration to all over the hill roadies (pun intended) .... who said that, internet forum people ?0
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Have a look at your posts.
On the first page, 17 are about Lance. 3 are about another subject.
On the second page, 12 are about Lance. 8 are about other subjects.
And let us not even touch on the content or lack thereof in those posts.Contador is the Greatest0 -
rockmount wrote:Never mind all that b*ll*x .. I take great heart in the fact that Malcolm Elliot managed to finish 21st overall. Top man, and inspiration to all over the hill roadies (pun intended) ..
me too. I love the guy. last night i watched a VHS of a documentary of the milk race which elliot won. also been a sheffield gal i have to say i love him, awesome riding for a guy his age. He was super in the crit series too.0 -
rockmount wrote:Never mind all that b*ll*x .. I take great heart in the fact that Malcolm Elliot managed to finish 21st overall. Top man, and inspiration to all over the hill roadies (pun intended) ..
Too right and what's he now, 47 or something?
Same age as the number of riders who finished the race.
The organisers will always have a large number of DNF's if the jump off point is at the bottom of St Pats.
Maybe, if it gets back to 5 days, they should consider moving this stage to day 4.
I remember a couple of years back, in an Italian downpour, where the race organisers pulled out the entire peloton. Only about 15 riders finished.
They were 30+ minutes down on the break, when they got stopped, but at least they were still in the saddle!
Now, the other thing, did anyone notice all those parked cars on the circuit?
:P
Can't decide whether this "debate" is down to pre Vuelta boredom of Vuelta first week expectations."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I wonder if some of the packing in the rain is down to wheel choice? I wouldn't ride a flat, straight line TT in the wet on deep section carbon, but I'm not Sean (Kelly, or Yates). Looking at the forecast, I think I may be testing on my road bike next Saturday0
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Mine was parked on the descent of Mount Leinster on the first day, took a while to find a space that allowed me to get it well off the road...Blazing Saddles wrote:Now, the other thing, did anyone notice all those parked cars on the circuit?
:P
...wouldn't want it dented .. who said that, internet forum people ?0 -
How much were LA and Cav paid to race in Ireland?
Please drop the personal insults.0 -
Astana and Columbia riders don't really need to ride/finish the tour of Ireland in terms of their sponsors coverage and apart from the fact that they've all already had their big moment/peaked this year and are probably all still recovering from TDF. They don't need to knacker themselves doing a relatively insignificant (for them and their sponsors) tour. Armstrong got his cancer charity publicity and had a nice few days out on a bike at the end of the season, which was probably all he needed to do. Smaller team sponsors like Candi TV, Halford's Bike Hut etc need the TV coverage in Ireland where they actually might sell stuff, and 'cos they don't get invited to Pro tours elsewhere in Europe so get less TV coverage anyway, but European sponsors wont get much revenue from the tour of Ireland - I don't think it gets the big viewing figures in other countries compared to TDF and Giro d'Italia so it doesn't do them any disservice if a few of their riders drop out. The there are the more personal reasons - For normal guys like Russell Downing, to race (and win) was a much bigger career/life event than for pro-tour team riders, so these ordinary blokes are obviously going to want to see it through to the bitter end. Downing did amazingly well to win against guys who don't have to go to work as well as race in their "spare time" like he does. I don't know much about his previous form so wondered if perhaps his form is the best ever now, at a slightly-too-old age for a European pro tour team to want to sign, or if he actually chose in the past not to sign to a pro tour team, but he was looking absolutely brilliant on Sunday an definitely up there with the best of them. What a star!0
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frenchfighter wrote:Have a look at your posts.
On the first page, 17 are about Lance. 3 are about another subject.
On the second page, 12 are about Lance. 8 are about other subjects.
And let us not even touch on the content or lack thereof in those posts.
frenchfighter said
" it looks like you don't post in anything other than Lance threads."
Hehe you do my job for me ya rocket you said i dont post on anything other than Lance then you provide details of me doing the exact opposite As for the content of my posts remind me again of how yours are often pic after pic after pic............and when you do decide pass comment its generally some shite about Bertie did this and Lance did that ad naseum Gasping - but somehow still alive !0
