Is there anyone on here who genuinely thinks Wiggins doped?
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To be honest Mark I'm not sure how my quote links to what you said either, can you enlighten me?
Take care,
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Steve Tcp wrote:To be honest Mark I'm not sure how my quote links to what you said either, can you enlighten me?
Steve big appology too little time or care im afraid. The answer is it doesnt but does apply to earleir posts, not by you by pokerface, youd responded to him.
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Forum's not dying it's already dead. The pro-race section is full of people who have no interest in cycling. It is now a pharmacy section. I can't believe the amount of crap people seem to know about doping it's just SO dull, and I don't care who disagrees so don't waste your time refuting what I've said (in any case I won't be back to read it !)0
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ermintrude wrote:Forum's not dying it's already dead. The pro-race section is full of people who have no interest in cycling. It is now a pharmacy section. I can't believe the amount of crap people seem to know about doping it's just SO dull, and I don't care who disagrees so don't waste your time refuting what I've said (in any case I won't be back to read it !)
+1 I'm astounded by just how knowledgeable some people are on doping. I'm loath to feel negative about people having knowledge, but it's so depressing to hear the sheer depth of expertise people have in something we all think is bad. I don't want to put my head in the sand, so I'm of course interested if someone is caught doping, but at the same time I wouldn't want to be any kind of authority in how to cheat in cycling.
It's like a morbid fascination bordering on obsession.
The OP poses a valid question, but at the same time just opens up a thread that links BW to doping (no offence, I'm not saying this is done intentionally) when BW's apparently doing everything he can to be clean and be seen to be clean.
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I wish the UCI and ASO would read this forum just to see how the 'fans' think about the sport now.Forum's not dying it's already dead. The pro-race section is full of people who have no interest in cycling. It is now a pharmacy section. I can't believe the amount of crap people seem to know about doping it's just SO dull, and I don't care who disagrees so don't waste your time refuting what I've said (in any case I won't be back to read it !)0 -
patchy wrote:RRPHOTOGRAPHIC wrote:NO of course Bradley didn't dope
Mind you he did eat his weetabix
bran flakes, surely?
No defiantly weetabix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rzuujKpuF0-- edd0 -
ermintrude wrote:Forum's not dying it's already dead. The pro-race section is full of people who have no interest in cycling. It is now a pharmacy section. I can't believe the amount of crap people seem to know about doping it's just SO dull, and I don't care who disagrees so don't waste your time refuting what I've said (in any case I won't be back to read it !)[/quote]
thats the best option dont read the posts that dont interest or bore you. Theres lots going on that isnt drug related.0 -
So much certainty. So much belief. So much faith.
Me, I'm not a faith guy. I don't know if Wiggins doped. None of you on here know either, unless Brad is lurking in our midst. That's the only viable answer anyone could have to such a question. Anything else is based on faith, one way or the other. If you want to exercise faith, there have to be more constructive ways of doing that than pro cycling.
I don't know if Wiggins doped. I just know he rode a superb Tour. If, in a few years, no rumblings of malpractice have surfaced, I'll assume he did it clean, but I'll never know, and I prefer not to "believe" something from someone I don't know.0 -
I've had enough of this bo**ocks.
I'm off to Veloriders.
Ta Ta ForeverLet's close our eyes and see what happens0 -
drenkrom wrote:So much certainty. So much belief. So much faith.
Me, I'm not a faith guy. I don't know if Wiggins doped. None of you on here know either, unless Brad is lurking in our midst. That's the only viable answer anyone could have to such a question. Anything else is based on faith, one way or the other. If you want to exercise faith, there have to be more constructive ways of doing that than pro cycling.
I don't know if Wiggins doped. I just know he rode a superb Tour. If, in a few years, no rumblings of malpractice have surfaced, I'll assume he did it clean, but I'll never know, and I prefer not to "believe" something from someone I don't know.
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drenkrom wrote:So much certainty. So much belief. So much faith.
Me, I'm not a faith guy. I don't know if Wiggins doped. None of you on here know either, unless Brad is lurking in our midst. That's the only viable answer anyone could have to such a question. Anything else is based on faith, one way or the other. If you want to exercise faith, there have to be more constructive ways of doing that than pro cycling.
I don't know if Wiggins doped. I just know he rode a superb Tour. If, in a few years, no rumblings of malpractice have surfaced, I'll assume he did it clean, but I'll never know, and I prefer not to "believe" something from someone I don't know.
Good point! I think that Brad's less likely than others to have doped, but that's simply probability based on judgement. There are riders in the peleton who are far more likely to be doped, but again, this is probability, based on judgement....
There's plenty posts on on this thread saying that it's depressing. I'm finding people saying, "it's depressing," far more depressing than folk joining in & discussing. I also find folk who refuse to accept the possibility then who are destroyed by the actuality really depressing. I'm finding folk saying that doubting rider X or Y is a priori wrong depressing. & I'm finding folk suggesting that an annual fluctuation means something is dead as depressing as anything.
Somewhere between none & almost all of the pro peleton are currently doping. Very few people know how many. Can we just accept this & move on?0 -
Brits don't dope, it's only those foreigners without our sense of fair play that cheat.Ramanujan wrote:If it were nearly any other rider, that had a similar record of not being able to climb, suddenly loses a few kilos and then bang!...gets 4th in the TDF, wouldn't everyone be questioning that result?.0 -
Anyone who posts the question on here and then says its circumstantial about his weight loss, and could have given false blood results when they were the official ones clearly has an agenda.
I've seen the photos of Wiggins - he looks bloody ill. He's definitely lost weight.
I think he's clean.0 -
cougie wrote:Anyone who posts the question on here and then says its circumstantial about his weight loss, and could have given false blood results when they were the official ones clearly has an agenda.
I've seen the photos of Wiggins - he looks bloody ill. He's definitely lost weight.
I think he's clean.
+1. Some people seem to look everywhere in the hope of seeing doping. I'd rather see a bike race.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Has anyone read the Le Monde article "Questions sur l'ascension record de Contador" from the reaction it looks like Lemond thinks Contador and Wiggins doped. Lemond to me seems to have a reasonably scientific assessment of what is and isn't possible without the use of drugs.0
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Does anyone else think that Lemond is starting to come across as a little bitter and twisted?0
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musttriharder wrote:Has anyone read the Le Monde article "Questions sur l'ascension record de Contador" from the reaction it looks like Lemond thinks Contador and Wiggins doped. Lemond to me seems to have a reasonably scientific assessment of what is and isn't possible without the use of drugs.
There's another take on that Lemond question in the Jonathon Vaughters article linked to in this thread.Take care,
Steve.0 -
Smokin Joe wrote:Does anyone else think that Lemond is starting to come across as a little bitter and twisted?
Seems like he hasn't been doing himself any favors lately. A lot of negative talk and not the best of publicity. Maybe he's just getting things of his chest. Like pretty much everyone has been known to do on occasion. Loss of his bike brand probably didn't help his attitude any.0 -
Also, this discussion of the LeMond/Vayer analysis has been around for a while: http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/07 ... o2max.htmlSteve Tcp wrote:musttriharder wrote:Has anyone read the Le Monde article "Questions sur l'ascension record de Contador" from the reaction it looks like Lemond thinks Contador and Wiggins doped. Lemond to me seems to have a reasonably scientific assessment of what is and isn't possible without the use of drugs.
There's another take on that Lemond question in the Jonathon Vaughters article linked to in this thread.
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edduddiee wrote:patchy wrote:RRPHOTOGRAPHIC wrote:NO of course Bradley didn't dope
Mind you he did eat his weetabix
bran flakes, surely?
No defiantly weetabix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rzuujKpuF0
perhaps that's the difference! maybe the key change in the training plan is
Track: bran flakes (as endorsed by sirchrishoyonyourbike!)
Road: weetabix
I'm off to buy some tasteless wheat biscuits RIGHT NOW!point your handlebars towards the heavens and sweat like you're in hell0 -
I am happy to apply "Innocent till proven guilty" to the entire peloton.
I'd rather be disappointed with an individual than watch the whole race wondering who is clean.0 -
AndyRubio wrote:Brits don't dope, it's only those foreigners without our sense of fair play that cheat.
How come then if BC has been washing whiter than white did they manage to have a certain Rob Hayles fail the 50% hemacrit test just before a major championship ? , maybe the Manchester velodrome suddenly become a high altitude area :idea:0 -
Rob Hayles didn't fail any dope tests.He has a naturally high Haemocrit level,which then raised very slightly due to dehydration,& went over the 50% limit.carbotanium wrote:AndyRubio wrote:Brits don't dope, it's only those foreigners without our sense of fair play that cheat.
How come then if BC has been washing whiter than white did they manage to have a certain Rob Hayles fail the 50% hemacrit test just before a major championship ? , maybe the Manchester velodrome suddenly become a high altitude area :idea:
For F*cks sake,stop slagging British cyclists,have some national pride,or clear off & emmigrate.
Back to the subject matter,No,I don't think he doped,not for a minute
Instead of slagging our riders,I went to The Ventoux to support them.so many cols,so little time!0 -
heh heh are you Norman Tebbitt in disguise?nick hanson wrote:For F*cks sake,stop slagging British cyclists,have some national pride,or clear off & emmigrate.0
