Help and advice needed......badly

nicklouse

you should it looks like they do when i have had to get them out like this. but i do have a nice little crowbar.

Turrican

no way crow bar for these little buggers , you must of had and been in simular sistuations then so in percentage then whats the chances of recovery for the frame.
Man what a day messing about with a cup

Turrican

Sorry to bump it up, but still no luck i even put some wd 40 on couldnt get the plus gas where i live. Can any one recomend me a drill bit for boring it out or any tool for the job that can cut drill or gring the thing out like mini ginders, cant remember what there called but it like drill grinder but small with different head to attach, used for crafting i think.

Any other idea?

cyclist0_7

I've been reading your developing blog with growing horror.You are playing with fire messing about with your BB threads if you are unsure of what you are doing and I fear you will write off your frame. I think the frame is probably still saveable but I suspect you have not the experience to continue on the path you have been following. Take the frame to an engineer , thats your best course or alternatively to your York BS. Also are you aware that the drive side cup unscrews to the right i.e clockwise. £700 is too much to write off, get someone who knows what they are doing.
Best of luck

cyclist0_7

supersonic

Which York LBS? I used to work in York...

Turrican

cyclist0_7 wrote:

I've been reading your developing blog with growing horror.You are playing with fire messing about with your BB threads if you are unsure of what you are doing and I fear you will write off your frame. I think the frame is probably still saveable but I suspect you have not the experience to continue on the path you have been following. Take the frame to an engineer , thats your best course or alternatively to your York BS. Also are you aware that the drive side cup unscrews to the right i.e clockwise. £700 is too much to write off, get someone who knows what they are doing.
Best of luck

cyclist0_7

em yeah its is messing about and i was sure what i was doing and do feel confident dealing with BBs and also make sure i have the right tools, this one has gone bit beyond my knowledge of engineering though and yeah lack of experience. What sort of engineering place?, car shop with mechanics or metal frabication (sorry about spelling) and im not acctually gone yet to York not till end of month i just set it as that already (homesick )

cyclist0_7

I was referring to the one his mate works in, presuming his mate, or BS are competent mechanics.Although I live close to York I'm not well up on its LBS as I usually do my own repairs and go to Hull if I need to buy likghtweight equipment. Do know that Pete Bosworth in the Tange Hall area used to have a good name if he is still about. In Hull , which is not too far away there is a plethora of good shops. e.g.
Ken Ellerker
Star Cycles
Cliff Pratt
I don't know how you can cut thro the bore of the cup without the danger of cutting into the threads and trying to bore or grind out with a hand held tool is a recipe for a write off.I presume this is an ally frame? If there is enough of the shoulder left the best chance is to grip it in a keen jawed viice and use the frame as the spanner.Looking at the mess of cup, either it has solidly seized in the frame or, more likely, the torque has been applied counter clockwise. Either way it really needs someone who knows what they are doing, to retrieve the situation.
Cyclist0_7

Turrican

yeah tell me about it hmm m crap think maybe did try to undo it wrong way now as the frame is up side down how ever i have a raceface isis bb and checked the cups and which way to turn but still may have tried to turn wrong way and as for the frame not fussed to much about the threads as i know can have it redone it main frame bovered about. Im looking at websites for engineering place here where i currently am.
My mate is a mech in bike shop in York CycleHeaven u know it?

cyclist0_7

Just read your post Captain Yeti. Have you any friends who work in an engineering shop or factory? You are looking for someone who has hand tools to do the job. Fabrication shop is unlikely to have the experience as they work in sheet metal Car mechanic maybe depending on their experience. Snag is what they would charge you Best bet is still to locate a reputable bike shop who would be prepared to put in the thought and effort to save the frame. Start asking local club cyclists for recommendations.and don't despair.

cyclist0_7

Turrican

im going to phone around some engineering places tommorrow even car mechanics see how get on its going to need some sort skill or tools do fin this mess up as im at now a lost now. Normally im good with bikes and confidently can rebuild bikes i have good tools but this has gone beyond my experience and knowledge. just want the piece of crap cup out. ill let you know how i get on.
No i dont know any one in the trade unfortualty

cyclist0_7

I've heard of it but have never visited it. If you have no luck by the time you get back to York then contact me again. I'm not too far south of York, am an engineer( I didn'nt say a good one) and have a garage full of tools and also a cycling mate who is also an engineer.. Without seeing the frame I couldn't guarantee anything but we would try our best
Regards, cyclist0_7

Turrican

cyclist0_7 wrote:

I've heard of it but have never visited it. If you have no luck by the time you get back to York then contact me again. I'm not too far south of York, am an engineer( I didn'nt say a good one) and have a garage full of tools and also a cycling mate who is also an engineer.. Without seeing the frame I couldn't guarantee anything but we would try our best
Regards, cyclist0_7

AH yeah nice one cheers, i do have some faith that this mess can be resovled with the right knowledge and tools / equipment . I should be moving upto York to my folks house by end of this month hopefully or first week in Sept. Ill let you know which
PS you got any profiles on Pink Bike or moreDIRT?

stuartturbo

I'd cut the more grooves in the BB
Then get the cold chisels and a big hammer out and give the lip what for.Either undo it or folding it in

Another option is TIG a bar to the BB this can then be used to undo ( loads of leverage)

Turrican

Capt Yeti wrote:

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/3821264/
and here it is from inside view ive tried to cut though whole thing nothing
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/3821265/

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This where im at at the mo on the frame and yeah looks a mess but frame is still ok believ it or not

Turrican

hey all thanks for the help and last bump just to let you know ive sorted and saved the frame now . I took it to a garage and the got it out for me so the frame is saved and now getting it resprayed and the face the BB and rethread it so sorted.

supersonic

Yeah, used to live next to cycle heaven. Was a good shop, as is York Cycle Works.

Turrican

supersonic wrote:

Yeah, used to live next to cycle heaven. Was a good shop, as is York Cycle Works.

ah you did how long ago was that. My mate works in CycleHeaven as a mechanic. Miss home i do and im moving back up end of month be great.

The Big Cheese

YAY!

Glad it worked out for you!

You were lucky, next time leave it to people who have a workshop/tools/knowledge...

Turrican

Cheesey wrote:

YAY!

Glad it worked out for you!

You were lucky, next time leave it to people who have a workshop/tools/knowledge...

yhea but i have the right tools and now i have the knowledge too, any way im getting bike shop to fit / face and rethread the frame and to fit BB

cyclist0_7

Good morning Capt Yeti, relieved to hear that you managed to get it sorted out alright. I kept thinking of you after I turned off the computer last night. Out of interest, how much did the garage charge you and were you able to watch what they did?
Anyway , all's well that ends well.

Regards, cyclist0_7

Turrican

cyclist0_7 wrote:

Good morning Capt Yeti, relieved to hear that you managed to get it sorted out alright. I kept thinking of you after I turned off the computer last night. Out of interest, how much did the garage charge you and were you able to watch what they did?
Anyway , all's well that ends well.

Regards, cyclist0_7

No they didnt charge at all as it only took couple mins with not much effort and he did it right in front of me with hammer and its small type punch tool forgot the proper name.
So alls well that ends well

stuartturbo

that would be a cold chisel then
Just a case of have the tools to do the job.
Chisel works as a last resort as it shocks the thread

things to try next time
Do the "tight/seized" nut up then try to ubdo it with a tap of a hammer