Help and advice needed......badly

Turrican

hey all can some please advise me please im in bad need of help.
I got a second hand Yeti ASX and need to change the BB, which is an ISIS Raceface i belive, as its off Raceface prodergy cranks on it. Well the lockrings is the problem, i got the proper tool for the lock rings which are the 8 groove ones and i have also the right tool with 8 grooves on it to undo the lock rings with, i got one side off the none drive side but prob is this, some one has tighten the lock ring on the drive side so much i cant get it off at all, all its done now is worn the grooves round on the lock ring now and my tool just slips off, thats how tight it is. So how do it get it off now. i feel really stressed now.

nicklouse

reverse thread and i dont belive it is a lock ring but part of the cup.

can you get pics?

Turrican

Yeah will do just let me take the pics

Turrican

here is the worn lock ring on drive side pic
and the lock ring i have taken off pic and it does screw in both sides as its ISIS BBs
its all worn it wont budge at all?http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/3819938/
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/3819941/

nicklouse

they are not lock rings they are the cups.

hit the axle to knock the bb out through the frame Hit this bit into the frame




and then get cutting

and it looks like a Truvativ version.

Turrican

Ok your right it was a Truvative and 2 i hit the drive side through with rubber mallet, now how do i go about get the screwed in tightly cup from the drive side. need more pic?

Turrican

nicklouse wrote:

they are not lock rings they are the cups.

Sorry yeah not lock rings cups, dont know why was thinking of them as cups.

nicklouse

Capt Yeti wrote:

Ok your right it was a Truvative and 2 i hit the drive side through with rubber mallet, now how do i go about get the screwed in tightly cup from the drive side. need more pic?

hacksaw.

put the blade through the BB cup and CAREFULLY cut a slot in it and then another and finally a third (you may manage with less) you should then be able to remove the cup in bits.

think Pie charts.

Turrican

ok ill cut off the edge of the cup then then the inside only thing is little hacksaw wont get in much but ill try, ill let you know how get on

bomberesque

nick ... this is going to end in tears, I can feel it

Turrican

nearly has mate, Nick i cut the edge off like said so now how hell am i supposed to get the bit out which is threaded in side with out damage to the thread it self?
? hope the outer part can be resfaced to fit bbs again. All i need is to get the insert of the cups which is threaded out.

nicklouse

i said

put the blade through the BB cup and CAREFULLY cut a slot in it and then another and finally a third (you may manage with less) you should then be able to remove the cup in bits.

i never said anything about cutting the edge off.

Turrican

i cant get the blade in there how am i able to cut inside though
well i cut the edge off now so all have todo is the inside of it and reface the outer part frame, i have been carefull any way but it still need facing.

Turrican

so how am i going to get the crap thing out now? getting frustrated now hope can get the stupid cup out.
I know will need facing maybe rethreading but have to get the damn thing out first
:x :roll: :?

nicklouse

Sorry,
shop and a big hacksaw? (maybe just a blade).

Turrican

yeah thanks not your fault misentreperted what you said do you reackon frame savable still? as like said i was carefull cutting not to cut the frame, and yeah large hacksaw blade could do as only got tiny one. Right inside is plastic part of the cup then the metal bit, that would be the threaded part then i take it, if i cut it i dont want to damage the thread, any idea how to go about this bit cheers. :?

Turrican

well still no lick, i even went ogt a hacksaw that i can cut inside of the shell and nope still wont come out like its siezed in, not happy at all 700 quid down the drain now, and no not your fault Nick ok.
If some one can tell my that i have a chance to save my frame please tell me. Can i bore the piece crap out??

nicklouse

you do need more than one cut and then it can be folded up on its self

all it needs is enough material removed so that it can do this


TBH i would give it a good soak with some release agent over night.

But after cutting the lip off it will be fun.

let me think on.

Turrican

hmmm only i thing i can think of is getting it bore out using a boreing tool of with a drill enought to bore through and leave enought to re thread. what think
i have cut 3 slices into it tapping from the inside and still nothing, i think is ceased in tobe honest.

The Big Cheese

If you really can't do it yourself, take it to the LBS and let them do it.

It's not £700 down the drain, it is fixeable

Buy some Plus Gas and soak the area overnight before, it may even help you do it yourself!

nicklouse

it will come out. can you get a small screwdriver between the cup and the shell?

from the inside as the threads are not normall cut the whole way and the cup should be a tad narrow there where it is unthreaded. then fold it in on its self.

Turrican

Cheesey wrote:

If you really can't do it yourself, take it to the LBS and let them do it.

It's not £700 down the drain, it is fixeable

Buy some Plus Gas and soak the area overnight before, it may even help you do it yourself!

em ill better put pic so all can see where im at now LBS here is not that good and its only one here. Whats plus gas ?? unless your talking heating it up hmmmm maybe as metal expands under heat.

The Big Cheese

Plus Gas is a releasing aerosol that frees up seized parts, can get in Halords, most car spares places etc - about £5 a can IIRC

Turrican

Ah right never heard of it is it good then for siezed difficult parts, hows it work so i can understand the method, keep eye on here ill stick pic up where im at with it shortly

The Big Cheese

Capt Yeti wrote:

Ah right never heard of it is it good then for siezed difficult parts, hows it work so i can understand the method, keep eye on here ill stick pic up where im at with it shortly

You just spray it on seized areas, leave for X amount of time and have another go at removing/freeing up!

nicklouse

Capt Yeti wrote:

LBS here is not that good and its only one here..

your PB location must be wrong then

Turrican

nicklouse wrote:

Capt Yeti wrote:

LBS here is not that good and its only one here..

your PB location must be wrong then

Ah i know what u mean no Im in Bromsgrove and i changed to York as im going back home end of month, have good LBS in york as my mate works in one.

nicklouse

anyway back to the post at the top.

Turrican

here is first pic where im at and unfortuanlty i had to saw off the outer part as it was all rounded off and i though i could cut it down, how wrong was i
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/3821264/
and here it is from inside view ive tried to cut though whole thing nothing
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/3821265/

ps the frame isnt damaged i cut as best could just will need facing.

nicklouse

keep at it and it will go.

as you have it started keep folding.

Turrican

i will do ill keep trying, well i need to cant afford to lose this frame, just hope i can get the damn thing out