Wonder How Lance Feels?

simple_salmon

softlad wrote:

Soni wrote:

I just hope Lance wins the tour next year and wipes that smurk off Contradors face....

I can't see anyone challenging Carlos Bertador for the GC next year - and certainly not Lawrence Ormstrong. I think even that British fella - Brandy Wilkins - has a better chance...

Rubbish, you are clearly ignorant and cannot even get the names right; Mick Covendush is the best British rider of all time and will win the TdF for evermore :P

simple_salmon

softlad wrote:

Soni wrote:

I just hope Lance wins the tour next year and wipes that smurk off Contradors face....

I can't see anyone challenging Carlos Bertador for the GC next year - and certainly not Lawrence Ormstrong. I think even that British fella - Brandy Wilkins - has a better chance...

Rubbish, you are clearly ignorant and cannot even get the names right; Mick Covendush is the best British rider of all time and will win the TdF for evermore :P

mrushton

Trek sells bikes,makes profit,gives dividend to shareholders and shares rise. Lance's portfolio goes up. That's how investment works hopefully. Les Paul collects royalties from Gibson on all the Les Pauls sold but he doesn't care if it's Slash,Jimmy Page or you who has bought the guitar. Armstrong is also an investor in SRAM and if the top 3 on the podium at the TdF are SRAM users then sales go up. Lance wins again!

dennisn

mrushton wrote:

Trek sells bikes,makes profit,gives dividend to shareholders and shares rise. Lance's portfolio goes up. That's how investment works hopefully. Les Paul collects royalties from Gibson on all the Les Pauls sold but he doesn't care if it's Slash,Jimmy Page or you who has bought the guitar. Armstrong is also an investor in SRAM and if the top 3 on the podium at the TdF are SRAM users then sales go up. Lance wins again!

+1 Absolutely right.

Soni

johnfinch wrote:

Soni wrote:

David Attenborough,

He was a good climber wasn't he

Soni

Furthermore, if i was being accused of doping and my friend doctor was being accused of assisting me, i think i would want to rip the head of the shoulders of the scandalous asswipes that were putting it around....

Also, has Armstrong ever been prosecuted? There i rest my case, if it isn't beyond reasonable doubt then there is no case...

finchy

Soni wrote:

Furthermore, if i was being accused of doping and my friend doctor was being accused of assisting me, i think i would want to rip the head of the shoulders of the scandalous asswipes that were putting it around....

Also, has Armstrong ever been prosecuted? There i rest my case, if it isn't beyond reasonable doubt then there is no case...

You know, the world isn't totally Lance-centric. The Italian authorities were prosecuting Dr Ferrari for doping practices, and Simeoni was to testify that HE (not Armstrong) was getting a great deal of assistance in doping from Ferrari. LA was only one of many, many riders who have worked with the doctor.

Can't you see anything wrong with Armstrong trying to punish somebody on the road for testifying in a courtroom?

takethehighroad

It's like this argument is in a never ending vortex - Everyone's just jealous, Simeoni/Ferrari, Never tested positive, Beat known dopers, Would have won the Tour this year if it weren't for pesky Contador, Contador was better, 3 years out the sport, Will kill it next year with The Shack, Only if AC and AS are dead, Repeat until suicide...

finchy

TakeTheHighRoad - you're absolutely right, it is an extremely tedious, repetitive topic. To be honest I usually steer well clear, until I see a spurious argument, in which case my brain will not stop pestering me until I've answered it.

Soni

johnfinch wrote:

Soni wrote:

Furthermore, if i was being accused of doping and my friend doctor was being accused of assisting me, i think i would want to rip the head of the shoulders of the scandalous asswipes that were putting it around....

Also, has Armstrong ever been prosecuted? There i rest my case, if it isn't beyond reasonable doubt then there is no case...

You know, the world isn't totally Lance-centric. The Italian authorities were prosecuting Dr Ferrari for doping practices, and Simeoni was to testify that HE (not Armstrong) was getting a great deal of assistance in doping from Ferrari. LA was only one of many, many riders who have worked with the doctor.

Can't you see anything wrong with Armstrong trying to punish somebody on the road for testifying in a courtroom?

The media as you know it have a way of manipulating things, if this was the case, then Lance Armstrong would have been charged with perverting the course of justice!

Soni

Also, take a read of this pathetic article here:-

http://www.arpuerta.com/040917.html

The guy is talking about the new law of lowering the standard of proof required in doping cases.....and then goes on to saying that Lance was just an average rider before he was struck down with testicular cancer, and then came back and won loads of Tour De France races even after all the therapies he received, and this in itself is enough to conclude that he must have taken performance enhancing drugs because it would take a MIRACLE to be able to do that - and therefore this must mean he has been taking performance enhancing drugs!!

Correct me if i'm wrong here guys, but is it so hard to believe that miracles CAN AND DO happen??

Lets take a look at this man, he was diagnosed with metastatic testicular cancer which had already spread to his lungs and his brain, this same man had operations and therapies and then 10 years on he is still alive and clear????

Is this not a miracle in itself? Do you really think that a performance enhancing drug is responsible for keeping this man alive? According to the article above it must be the performance enhancing drugs, because miracles just DON'T happen....

If it was the performance enhancing drugs that were keeping him alive then they would be rolled out all accross the world in the battle against cancer.

And if it was the performance enhancing drugs that were keeping him alive i would say good on him!

I think its a great shame that if he hasn't taken any performance enhancing drugs he isn't getting the recognition that he deserves for achieving such great milestones in both survival and the sport.......

softlad

Soni wrote:

Correct me if i'm wrong here guys, but is it so hard to believe that miracles CAN AND DO happen??

Lets take a look at this man, he was diagnosed with metastatic testicular cancer which had already spread to his lungs and his brain, this same man had operations and therapies and then 10 years on he is still alive and clear????

Is this not a miracle in itself? Do you really think that a performance enhancing drug is responsible for keeping this man alive? According to the article above it must be the performance enhancing drugs, because miracles just DON'T happen....

so it's a miracle that he survived cancer and a miracle that he then rode as well as he did. One more miracle and he would be in line for Canonisation....

Soni

softlad wrote:

Soni wrote:

Correct me if i'm wrong here guys, but is it so hard to believe that miracles CAN AND DO happen??

Lets take a look at this man, he was diagnosed with metastatic testicular cancer which had already spread to his lungs and his brain, this same man had operations and therapies and then 10 years on he is still alive and clear????

Is this not a miracle in itself? Do you really think that a performance enhancing drug is responsible for keeping this man alive? According to the article above it must be the performance enhancing drugs, because miracles just DON'T happen....

so it's a miracle that he survived cancer and a miracle that he then rode as well as he did. One more miracle and he would be in line for Canonisation....

No, according to that article he rode 'better' than he did before....

Also, do you not consider his recovery and being clear from cancer for such a long time considering it had allready metastaticed to be a miracle?

You don't hear of many people being as lucky (although unlucky) as to the cancer being clear at that stage as Lance has....

Monty Dog

I find this whole messiah-complex thing really disturbing and I really, really wish that it and his accolites would just pi$$ off!

turnerjohn

thing is guys Cont is a better climber...oh and he can TT pretty dam well to boot !
Think Lance reconned he could still win...even tho he said he wasn't!....his looks said it all when Cont "broke Team rules"...hum not that his jealous at all !
The guys was and still is a legend, but really after 7 wins in a row...didn't he just say enoughs enough and retire??????

dennisn

turnerjohn wrote:

thing is guys Cont is a better climber...oh and he can TT pretty dam well to boot !
Think Lance reconned he could still win...even tho he said he wasn't!....his looks said it all when Cont "broke Team rules"...hum not that his jealous at all !
The guys was and still is a legend, but really after 7 wins in a row...didn't he just say enoughs enough and retire??????

This brings up the old question of "why should he quit racing if he doesn't want to?"
People from all walks of life retire and then sometimes think the better of it or get bored
and go back to work. Just like you and I, Lance doesn't have to retire if he doesn't want to.

takethehighroad

All I know is that if I had the money Lance does and retired at the toip of my game, I'd have been on a beach for the last four years.

dennisn

TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

All I know is that if I had the money Lance does and retired at the toip of my game, I'd have been on a beach for the last four years.

Not sure what your point is. So you would call it quits, if you had the money? Hate to say it, but with an atitude like that you wouldn't have made the money. You know the old saying "ya gotta love it"? That's the difference between you and him.

Soni

turnerjohn wrote:

The guys was and still is a legend, but really after 7 wins in a row...didn't he just say enoughs enough and retire??????

This is what makes him so unique, me, i would rather quit whilst i was at the top, and people remember me for retiring after 7 straight wins.

Soni

turnerjohn wrote:

thing is guys Cont is a better climber...oh and he can TT pretty dam well to boot !

Regardless of the age difference, you are comparing a rider who has been in retirement for 3 years to a rider who has been competing and training regularly for 3 years, there is obviously going to be a difference and Contador is going to quite obviously be the better climber out of the two.....

However, next year may tell a different story, Lance is going to be training regularly, going to have been training for 2 years, and is now going to be so hungry and envious of Contador taking the Tour this year, that next year i am sure he will have so much fire burning inside him that he will come back and whip his ass!

Soni

TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

All I know is that if I had the money Lance does and retired at the toip of my game, I'd have been on a beach for the last four years.

Thats what makes you and i different to a true champion...

frenchfighter

Gavin Gilbert wrote:

I think Future are missing a trick.... maybe they could publish 'Lance Fanboy Plus' and launch LanceFanBoyForum.com so the rest of us don't need to bother wasting our eyes on the fawning over the has-been.

Check, check

frenchfighter

On the original post, I will only add:

You see a product advertised by a very well known person with negative style.

Are you inclined to buy it? No.

You see the same product advertised by someone with ridiculous amounts of style.

Are you inclined to buy it? Yes.

El pistolero is here to stay.

frenchfighter wrote:

takethehighroad

The differences between me and Lance Armstrong, and, for that matter, ANY OTHER PROFESSIONAL CYCLIST is that I can't ride a bike fast up hills, and I'm happy to admit that.

I'm also quite aware I wouldn't have made the money if I didn't have the attitude, which goes some way to showing that the comeback is about the racing.

Jez mon

Soni wrote:

Correct me if i'm wrong here guys, but is it so hard to believe that miracles CAN AND DO happen??

Erm, yes, otherwise they cease to be miracles!

turnerjohn

Soni wrote:

turnerjohn wrote:

thing is guys Cont is a better climber...oh and he can TT pretty dam well to boot !

Regardless of the age difference, you are comparing a rider who has been in retirement for 3 years to a rider who has been competing and training regularly for 3 years, there is obviously going to be a difference and Contador is going to quite obviously be the better climber out of the two.....

However, next year may tell a different story, Lance is going to be training regularly, going to have been training for 2 years, and is now going to be so hungry and envious of Contador taking the Tour this year, that next year i am sure he will have so much fire burning inside him that he will come back and whip his ass!

3 years in retirement isn't strickly true...his been doing a few mountain-bike races before anything properly road...that was what least a year ago? and I bet his been trainig his ass off for the last 2....one of those people who just wont sit stil (I know how he feels!)

Next year yes maybe different...we will have to see, but I just hope the Tour doesn't get as boring as F1 when a certain German keep bloomin winning it :evil: ...makes things far far more interesting if different people win it different years.

Ha thinking of which...and a year on and all...Evans didn't get anywhere near anybody this year !!!

Smokin Joe

Soni wrote:

Also, take a read of this pathetic article here:-

http://www.arpuerta.com/040917.html

Correct me if i'm wrong here guys, but is it so hard to believe that miracles CAN AND DO happen??
I.......

You are wrong. Miracles do not happen, unless you believe in bogeymen that is. There is a rational explanation for everything, as Dr Ferrari would no doubt confirm.

And I find it amusing that you start this thread saying that Trek should have used the guy who finished second loser in the Tour de France to advertise their bikes rather than the winner, then take umbridge because not everyone worships the ground he walks on like you do.

And can people stop trying to send everyone on a guilt trip because Lance had cancer and recovered? We still don't have to like him because we are judging him on his behaviour as a cyclist, not his alleged sainthood.

Monty Dog

Well said Smokin' - sadly I don't think that it'll made a shred of difference - the accolites simply won't have any said against his saintliness. Sadly, most weren't around to remember an arrogant upstart, who failed to achieve high GC positions on the GTs he entered and was nowhere near his contemporaries in terms of 1-day race wins

andrewjoseph

Soni wrote:

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Correct me if i'm wrong here guys, but is it so hard to believe that miracles CAN AND DO happen??
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Yes it hard to believe. In fact I find it impossible to believe in miracles.

The sooner people start to rely on themselves and not wait for a supernatural helping hand the better the world will be.

if you hadn't already realised, I am an atheist of the Dawkins brand.

bigflangesmallsprocket

well I wouldn't consider myself an expert on the TdF, But..rolls up sleaves...here goes anyway...I'm no Lance detractor and do admire his athletic achievements after a life-threatening illness. IF it's ever proved that he took enhancing drugs then the shame for him would be overwhelming after such a record - much better to have won one Tour without than set a record with. I prefer to believe till proven otherwise that he is clean, anyway; the pro cycling world seems to be riddled with unofficial alliances and vendettas, which not being an ardent follower are beyond me, but entertaining nevertheless.

I was pleasantly surprised to hear of Lances comeback, but dumbfounded to hear that he also intended to tackle the tour AGAIN! Been there, done that, I'd have thought! After being out of elite level competition even I know that it's less than ideal to attempt a tour win without years of preparation, even from the perspective of a previous winner. More obvious that a team leader should expect full backing and not have to share that position and I wouldn't have expected him to join such a team. I'm surprised that Lance actually managed to place at all in such a situation, which shows despite my own misgivings he would have been a potential winner with a dedicated team, but it also shows Contadors class that he won whilst sharing a team with Armstrong, with all the bickering that apparently went on.

Personally I'd have liked to see him dedicate himself to some different challenges, such as some famous classic short stage or even single day events (or maybe he did and I missed it, like I said, not an ardent follower).