RLJ - What's the big deal?

roussell

When it's a red light to let pedestrians cross, but there's nobody crossing, why not jump it?

When it's a red light to let traffic pass, but there's nothing coming, why not jump it?

Surely it aids traffic flow and leads to less conflict and aggravation between cars and cyclists?

Eau Rouge

roussell wrote:

When it's a red light to let pedestrians cross, but there's nobody crossing, why not jump it?

When it's a red light to let traffic pass, but there's nothing coming, why not jump it?

Surely it aids traffic flow and leads to less conflict and aggravation between cars and cyclists?

I have to drive to work tomorrow, I'll give it a shot and let you know how I get on.

tjwood

Until the car/truck/bus coming the other way thinks exactly the same. Or you don't see the jogger or the kid on a bike coming across the crossing from the other direction. Then you've caused an accident, and you're to blame, and whose going to come off worse, you or the car?

You will also annoy the crap out of drivers, who will lose all respect for cyclists, and will drive less courteously than they should do around the rest of us.

Don't be so antisocial.

pangolin

tjwood wrote:

and whose going to come off worse, you or the car?

Or you hit the kid you didn't see who happily saw the green man and ran out. Then who comes off worse.

blu3cat

roussell wrote:

When it's a red light to let pedestrians cross, but there's nobody crossing, why not jump it?

When it's a red light to let traffic pass, but there's nothing coming, why not jump it?

Surely it aids traffic flow and leads to less conflict and aggravation between cars and cyclists?

because due to other road users stereotyping it makes the rest of look like twats as well.

ellieb

& next time you are in a shop without any money, why not just take what you want. After all, nobody dies and it helps the shopkeeeper turn over stock on a regular basis. Fool.

always_tyred

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biondino

Eau Rouge wrote:

roussell wrote:

When it's a red light to let pedestrians cross, but there's nobody crossing, why not jump it?

When it's a red light to let traffic pass, but there's nothing coming, why not jump it?

Surely it aids traffic flow and leads to less conflict and aggravation between cars and cyclists?

I have to drive to work tomorrow, I'll give it a shot and let you know how I get on.

*applause*

Aidy

Does anyone, anywhere have anything to add to this thread that hasn't been said a hundred times already?

_Brun_

Aidy wrote:

Does anyone, anywhere have anything to add to this thread that hasn't been said a hundred times already?

Frottage.

greg66_tri_v2.0

_Brun_ wrote:

Aidy wrote:

Does anyone, anywhere have anything to add to this thread that hasn't been said a hundred times already?

Frottage.

Insouciance.

The Rookie

That such a suggestion is antidisestablishmentarainist?

Simon

daviesee

Wait a minute.

What's the big deal? :evil:

One word that's not been used - Drookit

dirk_van_gently

Quick someone start a "H" word thread, it's been a while since we have been bored senseless!

Kieran_Burns

I think wearing helmets on red lights is stupid.


STUPID you hear!

ince

Wearing a red light while jumping a helmet is meant to reduce the chance of you breaking a leg by up to 0.001%.

dirk_van_gently

Should wearing a helmet be compulsory for RLJers?
Perhaps it should also be compulsory for RLJers to carry registration plates, and pay VED?
That'll learn em

:?

Kieran_Burns

I have a brillaint idea! Brilliant. Genuis.

Pretty Damn Good.

dirk_van_gently

Brilliant!

Headhuunter

Eau Rouge wrote:

roussell wrote:

When it's a red light to let pedestrians cross, but there's nobody crossing, why not jump it?

When it's a red light to let traffic pass, but there's nothing coming, why not jump it?

Surely it aids traffic flow and leads to less conflict and aggravation between cars and cyclists?

I have to drive to work tomorrow, I'll give it a shot and let you know how I get on.

I know we've already argued abouty this til kingdom come but I always find the argument that car drivers could do the same a pretty stoopid one.

Cars are large, metal boxes, insulated from sound, often with a stereo going. Drivers are effectively deaf. Also they do not have the unrivalled view of the road that cyclists have, with the framework of the car and the lower road position. They also have a large sticky out bonnet in front which would have to protrude way across the junction before the driver had any chance of seeing what was coming. Motorbike abnd moped riders, although small pieces of traffic similarly have sound and view of the road inhibited by the lagre helmet they have to wear.

Bikes on the other hand are incredibly nippy and manoeverable and essentially have more in common with pedestrians than cars. No one ever questions a peds right to cross on a red man. Well not in the UK anyway.

And in any case, as discussed before, drivers DO jump reds! I see it every morning and every evening. In fact this very morning I particularly noticed a silver Renault van skip through a red near Holborn and turn right in front of me.

Kieran_Burns

My brillaint, genius idea.

Which is mine. The idea. I have. The idea.


Ahem.


my idea, which is mine, which I own. Is.



Is that we put barriers across the road at ALL junctioins.

Treat 'em like level crossings. That'll stop the buggers.

There you go.

Genuis.

Bask in the warmth of my glow.

Headhuunter

And another thing. This whole idea that we somehow have to prove that as cyclists we have to prove that we're holier on the road than the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury rolled into 1 by stopping at EVERY red light doesn't wash with me.

If motorists get upset and irate at cyclists RLJ-ing then that's their problem. They need to look closer to home before casting aspersions. Motorists speed, park illegally, RLJ (as we have discussde), drive unroadworthy vehicles etc etc, yet all some of them seem to have energy to do is to whinge at cyclists.

Well I prefer to whinge right back at them. Two wrongs don't make a right, but I will feel their accusations are more vindicated when their halos have been polished to a brilliant shine. We have a right to the road and we do NOT have to prove that we are perfect on it to ingratiate ourselves to motorists.

secretsam

Headhuunter wrote:

And another thing. This whole idea that we somehow have to prove that as cyclists we have to prove that we're holier on the road than the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury rolled into 1 by stopping at EVERY red light doesn't wash with me.

If motorists get upset and irate at cyclists RLJ-ing then that's their problem. They need to look closer to home before casting aspersions. Motorists speed, park illegally, RLJ (as we have discussde), drive unroadworthy vehicles etc etc, yet all some of them seem to have energy to do is to whinge at cyclists.

Well I prefer to whinge right back at them. Two wrongs don't make a right, but I will feel their accusations are more vindicated when their halos have been polished to a brilliant shine. We have a right to the road and we do NOT have to prove that we are perfect on it to ingratiate ourselves to motorists.

So by the same token, it's OK for you to murder someone, because everyone does bad things, why shouldn't I?

Grow up

desweller

Kieran_Burns wrote:

Is that we put barriers across the road at ALL junctioins.

Treat 'em like level crossings. That'll stop the buggers.

Pah. It's the 21ST CENTURY man!

Surely we could install some sort of death dealing laser beam instead? Thus guaranteeing instant expiration (indeed, decapitation) for those who drift across the junction against the flow of traffic.

Headhuunter

SecretSam wrote:

Headhuunter wrote:

And another thing. This whole idea that we somehow have to prove that as cyclists we have to prove that we're holier on the road than the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury rolled into 1 by stopping at EVERY red light doesn't wash with me.

If motorists get upset and irate at cyclists RLJ-ing then that's their problem. They need to look closer to home before casting aspersions. Motorists speed, park illegally, RLJ (as we have discussde), drive unroadworthy vehicles etc etc, yet all some of them seem to have energy to do is to whinge at cyclists.

Well I prefer to whinge right back at them. Two wrongs don't make a right, but I will feel their accusations are more vindicated when their halos have been polished to a brilliant shine. We have a right to the road and we do NOT have to prove that we are perfect on it to ingratiate ourselves to motorists.

So by the same token, it's OK for you to murder someone, because everyone does bad things, why shouldn't I?

Grow up

Well not exactly, I'm not saying that we have the right to RLJ because motorists speed, as I mentioned, 2 wrongs don't make a right. What I'm saying is that I don't believe that your reason NOT to RLJ should be that you might offend the sensibilities of the poor, ickle motorist. Get real. Motorists kill and maim thousands of people per year, they are hardly beyond the pale. If you believe that you should stop at EVERY red light on god's earth, do it for some other, more noble reason.

DonDaddyD

Yesterday I rode against trafficc flow heading towards oncoming cars, without a helmet and through red lights. I found it safer...

jimjamyaharr

I know most of you on this site are from london, also that RLJing reflects badley on cyclists on a hole. But from all the stuff iv read on hear about car drivers all trying to kill you and then cyclists shouting abuse at car drivers and outher cyclists alike it just seemes like a bit of a vicious circule to me. Every road user seemes to be so pi$$ed of at each outher allready its never going to get better.

Try this

next time your angry at anouther road user, dont shout at them
Turn the outher cheek my son
smile at your offender, dont abuse them

Try it make londin a haypper place


Or move........

Headhuunter

DonDaddyD wrote:

Yesterday I rode against trafficc flow heading towards oncoming cars, without a helmet and through red lights. I found it safer...

Goooood.... Come to the dark side, my son....

artaxerxes

I think wearing helmets riding a HYBRID at red lights is stupid.


STUPID you hear!

There you go, completed the holy trinity of key words for you 8)

DonDaddyD

jimjamyaharr wrote:

Try this

next time your angry at anouther road user, dont shout at them
Turn the outher cheek my son
smile at your offender, dont abuse them

Try it make londin a haypper place


Or move........

In London not reacting to abuse is a far greater insult than reacting. In other cities this is similar to not saying hello or morning to someone who has initially said it to yourself. Though I don't believe places like that exist...

jimjamyaharr

DonDaddyD
I didnt mean a sarkastic smile, more like oh well that was a close one have a nice day.
Iv almost bean killed allot in various cities on my motorbike bike instead of goin mental a little wave of acnollegment has allways seemed to of calmed the situation.




also i am not holier than thou





sorry about the spelling