Vino back tonight
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You with Vino, me with the Tour of Poland. We're fighting a losing battle, man.0
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Bah, it's a post-Tour criterium, so carries about the same weight for me as the WWE wrestling championship. I can't see him let go for the win.
I'm more interested by what's going to happen between Astana and him in regards to real racing.0 -
Always liked Vino's style...where is the Crit? Is it a competitive one?!
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afx237vi wrote:You with Vino, me with the Tour of Poland. We're fighting a losing battle, man.
If Vino was at the Tour of Poland, would it form a wierd black hole of nothingness?
The thing with Vino that always annoyed me was he was just such a blatant doper. You know someone of the testers talked about some of the riders being so brash they'd come down for "health checks" with blood trickling down their arms where they just thinned their blood... He always struck me as that kind of chap.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Vino presser in Monaco, Jul 2nd.Contador is the Greatest0
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iainf72 wrote:In a 65KM crit.
I wonder if he's going to win? And will he have too much blood in his legs? Can he still afford his prepatore of choice?
Am I the only person (aside from Toto) who cares?
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I care for Vino, like you care for Basso.0 -
SecretSqirrel wrote:iainf72 wrote:In a 65KM crit.
I wonder if he's going to win? And will he have too much blood in his legs? Can he still afford his prepatore of choice?
Am I the only person (aside from Toto) who cares?
:roll:
I care for Vino, like you care for Basso.
What. Bromantically?It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
iainf72 wrote:
The thing with Vino that always annoyed me was he was just such a blatant doper. You know someone of the testers talked about some of the riders being so brash they'd come down for "health checks" with blood trickling down their arms where they just thinned their blood... He always struck me as that kind of chap.
Couldn't agree more. But he must be sure he can get away with it on his return. Otherwise we'll be looking at a serious drop off in performance.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Timoid. wrote:SecretSqirrel wrote:iainf72 wrote:In a 65KM crit.
I wonder if he's going to win? And will he have too much blood in his legs? Can he still afford his prepatore of choice?
Am I the only person (aside from Toto) who cares?
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I care for Vino, like you care for Basso.
What. Bromantically?
Just sharing some empathy with Iain There just ain't enough lurv and understanding on the Pro Race Forum.
Who do you care about Timoid?0 -
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afx thinks that is hilarious... especially the "Vino 4 Ever" slogan.0
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As Iain said it was so obvious Vino was charged out his face especially his vuelta win the guy was like a motorbike after the 1st week but I never thought he would be caught just because he seemed to "professional" in the way he "prepared".
Its bad for cycling in the view of the general public that someone like him is back, although his constant attacking and unwillingness to give up makes him my fave rider of the past 10yrs. His win in Paris in 2005 and the way he battled back to win the Vuelta was brilliant and then how with his serious injuries he still kept riding the 2007 tour. Drugs or no drugs the guy had an amazing pain threshold.
That batteling spirit is what makes cycling and him so great. I do however think it belongs in a time gone by and wish he did not attempt to comeback either drugged up or clean and off the pace.
We could just take the Phil and Paul view from the 2007 itv highlights- "its sad when a man is suffering so bad he feels the need to dope to regain his normal level"
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Anyone found more shots of that... that... horror of a jersey.
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How full of yourself can you get?0 -
Naturally, he has matching shorts.................shameless.............brilliant!
Lance is such an amateur.0 -
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afx237vi wrote:
Phew.
Still, it's a victory for Vino and <insert charity of choice> and clean sport that he even managed to line up....Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
When he was caught in 2007 it was almost like Will Young coming out - I mean everyone knew he was doping except the UCI/WADA. Well it makes for good panto anyway....0
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iainf72 wrote:Timoid. wrote:What. Bromantically?
You're the one who talked about how good looking Ivan was Timoid.
True. You have much better taste in men than the Sqirrel.
Will Kash be wearing a jersey with his own picture on it for his comeback?It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Yellow Mavics. Vino still has it. Check out pictures of his legs. He still has them, and they show crash signs.
Reuters
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Does he talk about himself in the third person do you think? I love that about sports stars.___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
Timoid. wrote:
I have to admit to finding blond blue eyed Kazakhs rather exotic. And to be fair he does look like he is in good nick. However, it doesn't mean I don't appreciate Ivan's fine bone structure.
I think that Vino is actually modelling Astana's kit for 2010, the peloton will be swarming with images of the bad boy's face. Intimidating for the rest eh?0 -
Timoid. wrote:iainf72 wrote:
The thing with Vino that always annoyed me was he was just such a blatant doper. You know someone of the testers talked about some of the riders being so brash they'd come down for "health checks" with blood trickling down their arms where they just thinned their blood... He always struck me as that kind of chap.
Couldn't agree more. But he must be sure he can get away with it on his return. Otherwise we'll be looking at a serious drop off in performance.
i don't really buy into this - surely the doping is just for "that extra couple of percent" - if you know what I mean.
Its not like you could take a regular joe off the street, put them on a course of EPO and have them with the TdF the next week - it doesn't turn people into supermen - it just pushes athletes that bit further surely?
He's going to be pretty damn fit and certainly he looks in good shape in these pictures.
I always liked Vino - as has been said, he never gives up. Look at Cadel evans this year - after the middle of the second week his twitter feeds started with crap like "oh it's just not my tour this year" and he had lost it - Vino would have tried right up the presentation ceremony to make that time back up!0 -
gkerr4 wrote:Timoid. wrote:iainf72 wrote:
The thing with Vino that always annoyed me was he was just such a blatant doper. You know someone of the testers talked about some of the riders being so brash they'd come down for "health checks" with blood trickling down their arms where they just thinned their blood... He always struck me as that kind of chap.
Couldn't agree more. But he must be sure he can get away with it on his return. Otherwise we'll be looking at a serious drop off in performance.
i don't really buy into this - surely the doping is just for "that extra couple of percent" - if you know what I mean.
Its not like you could take a regular joe off the street, put them on a course of EPO and have them with the TdF the next week - it doesn't turn people into supermen - it just pushes athletes that bit further surely?
He's going to be pretty damn fit and certainly he looks in good shape in these pictures.
I always liked Vino - as has been said, he never gives up. Look at Cadel evans this year - after the middle of the second week his twitter feeds started with crap like "oh it's just not my tour this year" and he had lost it - Vino would have tried right up the presentation ceremony to make that time back up!
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All joking aside, Vino has qualities that cannot be enhanced by doping.
For instance,
- during the notorious Albi TT, still suffering the discomfort of his injuries, he hammered that wet course and kept the bike upright. Cancellara, Kash, and Klodi and others crashed.
- he is well versed in the strategic gifting of stages and alliances with other teams
- he is a good tactician
- he is fearless on technical decents.0 -
That jersey reminds me of the sort of thing you see a Valentino Rossi fan wearing.0
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gkerr4 wrote:
i don't really buy into this - surely the doping is just for "that extra couple of percent" - if you know what I mean.
If it takes 85 hours (ish) to win the Tour. An extra couple of percent drops you 1hr 40 back and leaves somewhere in the low 60s of placers and absolutely hammered by the definitely clean Moncoutie (@1:28 )
If Vino comes back clean, just like Armstrong he'd have his ass whupped.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0
