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Some days it's pretty tempting to do the run off on a bike thing, regardless of work.0
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Aidy wrote:Some days it's pretty tempting to do the run off on a bike thing, regardless of work.
I can sympathise! That's why I'm not really counting the redundancy as a bad thing!0 -
lost_in_thought, all the best with whatever you are planning to do. if i am in your position, i will be s**ting myself."It is not impossible, its just improbable"
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Well, LiT. I'm joining you on the redundancy front. Found out today, last day tomorrow. 2 and a bit months pay to live off, time to get the CV out. I'll not be going on any trips, but hope you enjoy your time off.0
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Deadeye Duck wrote:Well, LiT. I'm joining you on the redundancy front. Found out today, last day tomorrow. 2 and a bit months pay to live off, time to get the CV out. I'll not be going on any trips, but hope you enjoy your time off.
Sorry to hear that DD, it's a bit of a shock, and it's remarkable just how quickly they can do it.
I hope it all works out for you.0 -
Deadeye Duck wrote:Well, LiT. I'm joining you on the redundancy front. Found out today, last day tomorrow. 2 and a bit months pay to live off, time to get the CV out. I'll not be going on any trips, but hope you enjoy your time off.
Sorry to hear that DD, I too am in the same position, but like LiTs am lucky enough to have been able to take a bit of time out. Hope you find something you're happy with soon.
Everyone I think I've come across who's ever been made redundant has said that after the initial shock and sense of rejection it was actually one of the best things that ever happened to them.0 -
My other half is taking it worse than I am. I called her up to let her know and I could tell she was starting to cry. That made me feel worse than anything else.
I'm looking at it positively. If I don't get a job, I'm going to take the oppertunity to go back to college, go FT instead of the Evening classes I've been doing. Just trying to work out funding at the minute.
It's not all bad news though. I was invited to a BBQ on friday at 2pm, at least I'll get to make it now
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Deadeye Duck wrote:I'm looking at it positively. If I don't get a job, I'm going to take the oppertunity to go back to college, go FT instead of the Evening classes I've been doing. Just trying to work out funding at the minute.
It's becoming increasingly common for redundancy deals to include funding for future training - chat to HR and your union and negotiate hard for some - even a few hundred quid makes a difference.
And enjoy the BBQ.0 -
Deadeye Duck wrote:My other half is taking it worse than I am. I called her up to let her know and I could tell she was starting to cry. That made me feel worse than anything else.
I'm looking at it positively. If I don't get a job, I'm going to take the oppertunity to go back to college, go FT instead of the Evening classes I've been doing. Just trying to work out funding at the minute.
It's not all bad news though. I was invited to a BBQ on friday at 2pm, at least I'll get to make it now
Bad luck DD. I suppose it depends on your industry really. I've had a few friends who work in the city go and they've all been delighted as the payouts seem to be insane. Of course not everyone is so lucky...
I'm lucky enough to work in a small firm - as long as we all pull our weight we should be ok, it's nice to have a bit of control over your destiny in that sense.
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I'm stupidly not in a union (i know, i know), and the HR here is close to non-existant. I've had to fight to get gardeners leave already after finding out my job was 'at risk', and I don't think I'll get much more from them. Thankfully, now being classed as an independant student & no longer in employment. The bursary will pretty much be the max, and then after a part time job at argos or somewhere similar, I should have enough to last me.Coriander wrote:Deadeye Duck wrote:I'm looking at it positively. If I don't get a job, I'm going to take the oppertunity to go back to college, go FT instead of the Evening classes I've been doing. Just trying to work out funding at the minute.
It's becoming increasingly common for redundancy deals to include funding for future training - chat to HR and your union and negotiate hard for some - even a few hundred quid makes a difference.
And enjoy the BBQ.0 -
Deadeye Duck wrote:Well, LiT. I'm joining you on the redundancy front. Found out today, last day tomorrow. 2 and a bit months pay to live off, time to get the CV out. I'll not be going on any trips, but hope you enjoy your time off.
Welcome DD to the SCR Redundancy Club. There's more of us than I thought. My last day is 1 August, I'm on garden leave already and have been locked out of work email without even the chance to inform my customers :-(
Just a thought - if you've been in your job for more than a year, and aren't convinced it's a genuine redundancy, get yourself off to a good employment solicitor. There are very strict procedured that must be followed by a company making anyoone redundant, not doing so can automatically make it unfair dismissal.
(I've only been in my current job 10 months so have no rights at all)
On the bright side, redundancy is a great opportunity to re-evaluate what you want to do. When I got made redundant last year I took 6 months off and had a great time - obviously being able to do that sort of thing depends on whether you get a decent payoff or not. You go from having cash but no time, to having time but no income. I concentrated on doing things that took lots of time but didn't cost much and still was in the black after 6 months.
Good luck !
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Fireblade96 wrote:
Just a thought - if you've been in your job for more than a year, and aren't convinced it's a genuine redundancy, get yourself off to a good employment solicitor. There are very strict procedured that must be followed by a company making anyoone redundant, not doing so can automatically make it unfair dismissal.
(I've only been in my current job 10 months so have no rights at all)
In a slightly selfish hijack, is there a way to get some legal advice on unfair dismissal without it costing the earth?0 -
Deadeye Duck wrote:Well, LiT. I'm joining you on the redundancy front. Found out today, last day tomorrow. 2 and a bit months pay to live off, time to get the CV out. I'll not be going on any trips, but hope you enjoy your time off.
make sure Kirsty gets an extra job to support your new special brew habit Purveyor of sonic doom
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In a slightly selfish hijack, is there a way to get some legal advice on unfair dismissal without it costing the earth?
Disclaimer : I'm not a lawyer, get proper advice before acting on anything I write.
Seriously, having been made redundant twice in 2 years, I've had to learn a lot about employment law. Many companies assume you won't understand and try to brazen it out - do not let them do this !
My solicitor does a £100+VAT "redundancy special"; 1 hour during which he'll assess your situation and advise you on whether you may have a case. You may find a local solicitor who can do something similar, ask friends for recommendations, or let me know and I'll send you details of the one I use. It's money well spent.
In brief (and see disclaimer above) - it's not you that's made redundant, it's your job/role. The redundancy process is
1. Advice that your role may be at risk
2. Consultation
3. Notification that your role has been made redundant
If your employer is using "redundancy" as a way of getting rid of you and hasn't followed the correct procedure, you should have a case for unfair dismissal.
There are several very good sources of free information: Citizens' Advice, and the following websites:
ACAS : http://www.acas.org.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=877&p=0
YouGov : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/RedundancyAndLeavingYourJob/Redundancy/index.htm
Google too is your friend, there's lots of info out there.
One final thing. Once a company decides to get rid of you, the HR dept is your enemy. They only care about getting you out with as little cost to the company and as little fuss as possible. Any "friendship" you might have thought existed before goes out the window. The only person who will stand up for your rights is you.
Good luck !Misguided Idealist0 -
Clever Pun wrote:Deadeye Duck wrote:Well, LiT. I'm joining you on the redundancy front. Found out today, last day tomorrow. 2 and a bit months pay to live off, time to get the CV out. I'll not be going on any trips, but hope you enjoy your time off.
make sure Kirsty gets an extra job to support your new special brew habit
I am selling my guitars to make money for my shipment of trackies, caps, and string vests. I've also bought buckfast shares. I think I'm all set for a life of fail 8)0 -
Cr*p about that, sounds nasty to come out of the blue at you there but spend time on bike, do the things you know you won't get time when you get back in work."This area left purposefully blank"
Sign hung on my head everyday till noon.
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lost_in_thought wrote:In a slightly selfish hijack, is there a way to get some legal advice on unfair dismissal without it costing the earth?
If you've been asked to sign a compromise agreement, I believe your employer should cover any reasonable costs for legal advice.0 -
Deadeye Duck, what do you do? and what company you work for?"It is not impossible, its just improbable"
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I'm a draftsman and I worked for Chloride (was originally masterpower before being bought and merged).soy_sauce wrote:Deadeye Duck, what do you do? and what company you work for?0 -
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What are you concerned about LiT?lost_in_thought wrote:Fireblade96 wrote:
Just a thought - if you've been in your job for more than a year, and aren't convinced it's a genuine redundancy, get yourself off to a good employment solicitor. There are very strict procedured that must be followed by a company making anyoone redundant, not doing so can automatically make it unfair dismissal.
(I've only been in my current job 10 months so have no rights at all)
In a slightly selfish hijack, is there a way to get some legal advice on unfair dismissal without it costing the earth?
I've been on the end of Fast-and-loose Employment Co. and seen people screwed over more obviously than me. Unfortunately, with the best will in the world "posession is 9/10 of the law" applies here because the process of actually doing anything about it is fantastically stressfull.
I saw someone try and, despite having a good case (job re-advertised immediately), gave up once they had a new job. Amazing how that aids being philosophical.
So, a question to ask your self is - if you find yourself in another job, with a reference from your old employers, having been paid for the fat end of 4 months as part of your redundancy, what will you gain from having taken your old employer to court? What you will have lost is a reference.
If its the gardening leave thing - if its in a contract of employment (or part of a severance package you have accepted) it is likely enforcible.0 -
Always Tyred wrote:
What are you concerned about LiT?lost_in_thought wrote:Fireblade96 wrote:
Just a thought - if you've been in your job for more than a year, and aren't convinced it's a genuine redundancy, get yourself off to a good employment solicitor. There are very strict procedured that must be followed by a company making anyoone redundant, not doing so can automatically make it unfair dismissal.
(I've only been in my current job 10 months so have no rights at all)
In a slightly selfish hijack, is there a way to get some legal advice on unfair dismissal without it costing the earth?
I've been on the end of Fast-and-loose Employment Co. and seen people screwed over more obviously than me. Unfortunately, with the best will in the world "posession is 9/10 of the law" applies here because the process of actually doing anything about it is fantastically stressfull.
I saw someone try and, despite having a good case (job re-advertised immediately), gave up once they had a new job. Amazing how that aids being philosophical.
So, a question to ask your self is - if you find yourself in another job, with a reference from your old employers, having been paid for the fat end of 4 months as part of your redundancy, what will you gain from having taken your old employer to court? What you will have lost is a reference.
If its the gardening leave thing - if its in a contract of employment (or part of a severance package you have accepted) it is likely enforcible.
It's a situation rather similar to the one your friend found themself in, but for the fact that the role that's being made redundant and taking me with it has already been advertised and re-filled, the new 'Asset Manager' starts on Monday.
I thought this was a bit odd, seeing as the role of Asset Manager has been made redundant as of Monday just passed.0 -
How similar are the job descriptions?
Is Asset Manager you?0 -
Coriander wrote:How similar are the job descriptions?
Is Asset Manager you?
I am (was) the sole remaining Asset Manager. And yes, the job descriptions are very similar indeed... but the new bloke is more expensive and has more experience.0 -
Hmmm, if i were you I'd go and see a lawyer pdq - preferably before your last day. A telephone consultation with Fireblade's chap would do.
Before the conversation, get copies of your and the new JDs, your letter of redundancy and everything else that's relevant on to your computer and also email them to your private email address.
Once you've left it all becomes much more complicated. If you play it right, you might be able to get a Compromise Agreement, which could at least incorporate your period of notice in to the tax free lump sum as well as secure you more money.
But it will create a bad atmosphere and be immensely stressful, so if you're happy with your pay off and have other plans, maybe just mark it down to (bitter) experience and let it go.0 -
That's pretty blatant. Look carefully at the job description and pay banding and so on though, before assuming that it is unequivocally the same position. I'm sure it is in practice, but sadly that's not the point. HR people are there to stop talented people getting hired, and to clear up the mess once decisions get made and they can be quite good at both.
Am I right in understanding that they are pretty well your only employer so far, and that you worked your way up with them?
I'd suggest that with your multi-lingual skills and cleavage you would be extremely employable. Other than getting some financial redress (which I'm sure would be nice) you don't have anything to gain. You aren't going to want to work for them again and I fear that there might be a stigma for future employers. It might be different if you had a string of ex-employers from whom you reluctantly parted.
Did I say clevage? Sorry.0 -
Careful - obligation of confidentiality.Coriander wrote:Before the conversation, get copies of your and the new JDs, your letter of redundancy and everything else that's relevant on to your computer and also email them to your private email address.0 -
Always Tyred wrote:
Careful - obligation of confidentiality.Coriander wrote:Before the conversation, get copies of your and the new JDs, your letter of redundancy and everything else that's relevant on to your computer and also email them to your private email address.
She'll need to share them with any lawyer she might consult. That's all I meant her to use them for.0 -
I know - just not sure that emailing to an external address would look too good. Laserjet better.Coriander wrote:Always Tyred wrote:
Careful - obligation of confidentiality.Coriander wrote:Before the conversation, get copies of your and the new JDs, your letter of redundancy and everything else that's relevant on to your computer and also email them to your private email address.
She'll need to share them with any lawyer she might consult. That's all I meant her to use them for.0 -
Always Tyred wrote:That's pretty blatant. Look carefully at the job description and pay banding and so on though, before assuming that it is unequivocally the same position. I'm sure it is in practice, but sadly that's not the point. HR people are there to stop talented people getting hired, and to clear up the mess once decisions get made and they can be quite good at both.
Am I right in understanding that they are pretty well your only employer so far, and that you worked your way up with them?
I'd suggest that with your multi-lingual skills and cleavage you would be extremely employable. Other than getting some financial redress (which I'm sure would be nice) you don't have anything to gain. You aren't going to want to work for them again and I fear that there might be a stigma for future employers. It might be different if you had a string of ex-employers from whom you reluctantly parted.
Did I say clevage? Sorry.
I'll take that as a compliment.
They're not my only employer, but one of just 2 in this industry, and I have effectively worked my way up across those 2 employers, leaving the last one on very good terms.
I don't want to work for them again, no, but feel like I can't just leave it when it does seem like there might be a decent case there. I do take your point about stigma etc, though.
Oh and the HR girl finishes at the end of this week too.0
