The Clean Gang
As an aside to the relentless doping stories - bound to be a handfull on monday and more as we get closer to the TdF- (boy did Lemond depress me today!)
Who do we think currently rides clean?
My knowledge of this is as small as my list:
Wiggins
Millar
(all of Garmin)
Cav
Pinotti
Cunego
Evans?
Basso
Dan Lloyd
Voekler (sic)
Voigt
Boasson-Hargon
Gerdemann
Lokvist?
most of the french
all the brits
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Who do we think currently rides clean?
My knowledge of this is as small as my list:
Wiggins
Millar
(all of Garmin)
Cav
Pinotti
Cunego
Evans?
Basso
Dan Lloyd
Voekler (sic)
Voigt
Boasson-Hargon
Gerdemann
Lokvist?
most of the french
all the brits
....
'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'
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Gilbert
Out of interest, what made you include Voigt in the list?0 -
Sastre0
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Landis0
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Hushovd. Could have gone for a bigger team, but instead stayed with a small French team with a reputation for anti-doping mentality.0
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josame - you're just setting youself up for disappointment.
History shows that if you were to write this list down, then dig it out again in 5 years time you'd have to score several names off your list.
Cheers, Andy0 -
to be honest it's just curiosity around who other people think are clean - being a fan of cycling has readied me for anything 5 years hence or otherwise
Voigt - from another thread i heard he made sounds about being clean (also it mentions it on wiki) ....90's rider so inclined to think he has history but maybe clean now
who else does that apply to....'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0 -
Sastre0
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sastre, cunego, wiggo0
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David Millar I believe is clean...he's good without stuff...I heard some awful rumours about two English speaking riders from a friend of a Brit who was there and races at the highgest level in the UK...so is close enough to rumour to know..0
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"Awful rumours" as in:Dave_1 wrote:David Millar I believe is clean...he's good without stuff...I heard some awful rumours about two English speaking riders from a friend of a Brit who was there and races at the highgest level in the UK...so is close enough to rumour to know..
1) they are transfusing blood from imprisoned cloned children who never feel the warmth of the sun on their faces; or
2) they are two English speaking riders who everyone assumes are clean?0 -
I would think that most of the folks that have been busted once before are now riding clean. Obviously, as we've seen with cases like Tyler Hamilton, this doesn't always hold true.0
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Oh alright, I'll do it then;
ARMSTRONG
Pictures are better than words because some words are big and hard to understand.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34335188@N07/3336802663/0 -
It's quite sad that I now presume them to be doping unless I see or hear something to convince me otherwise. My list is quite small.
Wiggins
Millar
Cunego
If I were to bet money on the next big dissapointment, it would be Cancellara.Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
Pokerface wrote:I would think that most of the folks that have been busted once before are now riding clean. Obviously, as we've seen with cases like Tyler Hamilton, this doesn't always hold true.
I wish I had your faith. Sadly I have no confidence in the likes of Di Luca, Simoni etc.
Cunego might well be clean now. Even Basso may have stopped thinking about doping.
Millar, Wiggins and the rest of Garmin probably cleanbut I can't help thinking VDVs improvement is too good to be true.
Dulldave, I wouldn't bother placing that bet. You'd get terrible odds.... 0 -
Timoid. wrote:
1. In Spain he has the nickname "Don Limpio" - roughly translated as "Mr Clean" (it actually the brand name of a household cleaner)
2. He firmly believes that doping caused Jiminez's depression and death, and has publically said so.
3. He's 33 now and has never had the slightest bit of evidence levelled at him (other than guilt by association, which you may indulge in, but I don't)Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:1. In Spain he has the nickname "Don Limpio" - roughly translated as "Mr Clean" (it actually the brand name of a household cleaner)
Isn't being called "Mr Clean" in Spain a bit like being called "Mr Tall" in Lilliput?0 -
By 'clean' - do we mean nothing 'illegal' at all?
Or are there levels of clean? (Like autologous transfusions - against the rules, but not strictly 'doping').
Personally - I assume that they are ALL using some help. Except for the guys that consistently finish in the bottom 50.
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If Mark Cavendish ever turns out to have taken PEDs I will never watch another second of professional bike racing, I'm that confident he's clean....My cycle racing blog: http://cyclingapprentice.wordpress.com/
If you live in or near Sussex, check this out:
http://ontherivet.ning.com/0 -
ShinyHelmut wrote:RichN95 wrote:1. In Spain he has the nickname "Don Limpio" - roughly translated as "Mr Clean" (it actually the brand name of a household cleaner)
Isn't being called "Mr Clean" in Spain a bit like being called "Mr Tall" in Lilliput?
Exactly. Just because 'people' (who are these people by the way?) call him that, it doesn't really mean a thing.Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
greeny12 wrote:If Mark Cavendish ever turns out to have taken PEDs I will never watch another second of professional bike racing, I'm that confident he's clean....
I used to be. But he's recently changed the way he talks about it. I'm not saying he's not clean, I'm just not as confident as I once was.Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
Some people say they take what Kohl said with a pinch of salt. But how wrong is he when all this thread can give is half a dozen names ( and even then with question marks next to them) and a couple of french teams.
Maybe they should go the whole hog and let anything go? Save a lot of people getting disapointed.
Can you imaging the post race interview? Race winner- Yea I'd like to thank my team and the boss for his call on the tactics, also thanks Smith Klein Glaxxco for the supply of EPO for todays stage. Really kept me on the pace today.
Interviewer - And what about tomorrows stage?
Winner - Well tomorrow is another difficult stage so I'll probably use some Pilzer testosterone patches and some of the blood I banked with Johnson & Johnson.0 -
Sandy Casar and Wiggins -- everyone else, I'm not betting the house.0
