Not the expected outcome...

CyclingBantam

Some of this is increddible. (Not meaning you AT).

I called him a dick. I was wrong. Heat of the moment.

How anyone other than him knows if the d1ck comment caused the problems (Or if he even head it.

Some people on here are surprisingly self rightious when I am pretty sure everone on here has made a mistake before. Some seem to just want to argue with anyone else on this thread.

andrewjoseph

When someone calls me a dick, I laugh. it's actually quite a funny word and i just can't see any serious insult in it.

But then i used to be a psychiatric nurse and got called much worse several times a day.

i objected to people trying to bite my throat out though, and carving me up with knives, stabbing me with knitting needles, trying to give me aids ......

The Chingford Skinhead

I feel genuinely sorry for the original poster and rather saddened by some of the contributions to this thread.

Top marks to biondino for his c0ck waving comment. I really can’t believe that some of you think you should only comment to other people if you’re prepared to fight them and that others think if you see someone breaking the law you should simply look the other way as it has nothing to do with you. As andrewjoseph so elegantly put it (bottom of page 2), it’s precisely that attitude that has got society to the mess it is in today where cheating and stealing is endemic because nobody wants to say anything for fear of being beaten up (and then having self-righteous strangers having a go at them for daring to speak up).

mr_hippo wrote:

What a load of car-hating numpties we have on this forum! You have not commented on the cyclist almost causing an accident - take your rose tinted specs off! Please define 'close' and 'too close'. I already know the Highway Code so do not quote that - give me your definition.
jimmypippa "Being passed by someone who obviously wasn't in full control of their vehicle (one hand on steering wheel, unable to change gear), and driving badly..." - all assumptions on your part, I cannot see any references to the car having manual transmission - can you? No reference to the driver not being in full control either, is there?
I hope none of you ever cycle with a club where cyclists are within inches of each other.If you cannot cope with traffic, please put training wheels on your bikes and ride round the local duck pond.

The Highway Coode is quite clear so why do you need an additional definition? But if you want one mine would be, I'd like drivers to give me the same room that they would like a passing driver in a vehicle over 100 times their weight to give them.

The law on the use of mobile phones was brought in because ALL of the evidence showed that drivers were not in control of their vehicles when being distracted by phone conversations and only using one hand to operate the vehicle. If the clycling club that you ride with allows riders to ride one handed while on a mobile then please send me the details so I can watch bikes being scattered all over the road at regular intervals.

The Chingford Skinhead

doog442 wrote:

here

Regulation 110(5) provides that in specific circumstances a person will not breach the regulation. Where a person makes a call to the emergency services on 999 or 112 in response to a genuine emergency where it is unsafe or impracticable for him (or the provisional licence holder) to cease driving while the call is being made, the regulation is not breached.


where you there :?:

I think it is safe to assume that if the driver had time to stop his vehicle and threaten a fight it is highly unlikely that his phone call was to the emergency services in response to a genuine emergency and it was unsafe or impracticable for the driver to stop. It is therefore highly likely that the driver was breaking the law

doog442 wrote:

whereas

the OP may perhaps be guilty of section 5 of the public order act by calling the driver a dick

5 Harassment, alarm or distress

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or

(b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.


perhaps its best he cycled off..perhaps he is a CPS prosecutor and he knew he was on a non literal hiding to nothing

Get real! Go back to the original thread and read the sequence of events.
Ben says "Get off your phone".
Driver “shouts”: "Oi, What did you say" at the top of his voice (In an aggressive way).”
Ben says: "I said, get off your phone you d1kc". [Ben accepted he shouldn’t have used the profanity but in a later post says he said it “in a flippant 'I'm repeating what I just said' tone of voice. Almost weary of having to point out that potentially killing me/a.n other because that phone call was just so important is not really on”]
Driver responds: "Oi Come here" (And the sound of a door opening)

So the initial response by the driver falls under your Section 5 POA definition of aggressive. While Ben’s response contained a profanity it was not aggressive. The driver’s response was.

doog442

ive never seen anyone convicted for saying"what did you say" in an aggressive manner before

could be the first though

anyway the law quotes were an example of what could happen should such a case reach the police/ CPS..

the quote from the OP was unfortunate, my point was that there is an exemption for people using phones and that was aimed at the poster who questioned this point...

sebastiandangerfield

FYI It'd be S4a of POA as the comment was directed specifically at someone and could be argued it was intentional.








Think i've started that off again nicely............. i'm off!

Fireblade96

Some of this is increddible......I called him a dick. I was wrong. Heat of the moment.

OP, I'd ignore most of the last page. Some people have nothing better to do on a Saturday evening than pass judgemental comments on a situation they've read about on the interweb.

Me, I've been to a party and had a few beers so I am now clearly the voice of reason

jinnan_tonnix

PBo wrote:

Often the shock/adreniline rush that comes from such an incident leads to temporary tourettes.

Nice one.

I propose a new term: AIT - Adrenaline Induced Tourettes. We've all been there, done that, got the effin' T shirt


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posh_pedaller

I'm rather late on this, but I believe the correct phrase on this here information superhighway is 'Do Not Feed The Trolls'.

gtvlusso

biondino wrote:

gtvlusso wrote:

Should back up what you start, hold your tongue........Or keep an eye on the lights/junction ahead so that you are not landing yourself in trouble if you are dis-inclined to a bit of shouty fisty cuffs.....Most people are all talk and no actual action.

But I am a prize idiot, and am working on my rag loss......

Of all the blokes waving their cocks about on this thread, gtvlusso is the only one I'd fancy to actually "back up" what he said (what does that even mean? The only way to follow calling someone a dick is to assault them?), and that's cos he's a grade A certified psycho :shock:

I imagine Ben feels a bit of an idiot for getting into a pointless argument with a stranger, but we all do it - 95% of the time both parties are delighted they're NOT going to actually have a scrap. This time, he got called. He'll probably change his response next time.

Blondie, you insult my bar tape and call me a psycho....I feel that I have given such a bad impression.....:-(

I am working on anger management......Since my punch up with the van driver, I have shouted at 2 cars...properly, as opposed to under my breath muttering discontent, that I remember...! It may be alzheimer's setting in too...

I think that if you are prepared to call some one a name (no matter how in-offensive), you should be able to back up your statement verbally.....at least!

Running a d-lock, cleat or damaging someones vehicle, is, in all reality, indefensible, but some cyclists do these things with a mass of irrational emotion and pure hatred after thay have been violated on the road....if you do this, you will probably need to back up your actions as the person who is in the vehicle may not be terribly diplomatic......if they catch up with you.

I hope none of you go through what I went through when I punched the van drivers lights out - sleepless nights, feeling so ashamed, weeing on good cyclists all over the country (as my actions have affected us all!) - I have to live with it, but I do have a very good idea of my strengths!

choirboy

Always Tyred wrote:

I am increasingly of the belief that helmet cameras will become a necessity.

If only there were ones small enough not to be an incumbance.

Think there might be: http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15581527&highlight=#15581527

paul.skibum

I always forget that unlike me a lot of people are prepared to start a fight over a minor insult - me and my mates constantly insult one another and you tend to forget that such ribald humour is to the casual observer or victim actually pretty insulting and they may react - fair enough dick is a funny word but peopel do get uppity about such stuff.

But in my view people do get pretty uppity about any comment about their driving - its very much a male pride thing. I suspect dick or no dick the OP's comments would have resulted in the same problem.

Big Dave

When on my bike I take the same view of other road users that I do when I'm in my car; they are all ignorant c***s who don't care about me or what I do and so the best way to deal with their frequently scary lack of driving ability is to leave them to it and just stay out of their way as best as possible.

Its understandable to want to say something to a motorist who has endangered your life through sheer ignorance but telling them what a d**k they are isn't going to improve the situation so I tend not to bother. Its all too easy for confrontations at the road side to turn seriously ugly so leave them too it. Like the saying goes; what goes around comes around. A BMW driver who cuts you up today may well try the same with a lorry tomorrow and find that a Scania versus beemer confrontation hurts.

Bugly

my motto when on a bike DON'T P!$$ OFF someone in a vehicle that can kill you in a instant, especially knowing full well that an insult or friendly advise to the driver concerned wont change his or her driving. Think about it you are exposed you cant out accellerate them and there are real NUTTERs out there on the roads that really would happily use you as a hood decoration.