Not the expected outcome...

cee

apologies to the OP if it seemed like I was jumping on your back...

the guy was a total d1ck...you were right, I am sure calling him it didn't help...and I think you agree...

of course its difficult as at the time, on the spur, things get said which we wouldn't in hindsight....

and i agree that there are no winners in a middle of the street smackdown...even if you win..sometimes you really lose.

CyclingBantam

biondino wrote:

gtvlusso wrote:

Should back up what you start, hold your tongue........Or keep an eye on the lights/junction ahead so that you are not landing yourself in trouble if you are dis-inclined to a bit of shouty fisty cuffs.....Most people are all talk and no actual action.

But I am a prize idiot, and am working on my rag loss......

Of all the blokes waving their cocks about on this thread, gtvlusso is the only one I'd fancy to actually "back up" what he said (what does that even mean? The only way to follow calling someone a dick is to assault them?), and that's cos he's a grade A certified psycho :shock:

I imagine Ben feels a bit of an idiot for getting into a pointless argument with a stranger, but we all do it - 95% of the time both parties are delighted they're NOT going to actually have a scrap. This time, he got called. He'll probably change his response next time.

Spot on, although my concern is next time he sees a cyclist he may vent his fury on them not me, for which I feel slightly responsible. In some circumstances I would indeed stand my ground although at the time and with hindsight, I feel I made the right descision. My "d1ck" comment was clearly an error but we don't always think rationally in the heat of the moment. (Not sure that can be quite his excuise though!)

gb155

DonDaddyD wrote:

Ben what you should have done as he approached you is:

Screamed like a girl....

And then when he looks away in disgust...

Kick him in the nuts...

I will remember that one for the next time I get cut up by a WVM , The sight of me screaming like a girl will have everyone's attention lol

prj45

Shoulda backed it up.

If he was up for a fight it would be good to see him explaining to the police why he started it.

PBo

I'm with OP on this.

Often the shock/adreniline rush that comes from such an incident leads to temporary tourettes. Might not be the most sensible response - but natural and understandable, and releases the pressure....

Quite franlkly, to claim that you should then be able to "back this up" is a bit OTT. Just because I have a verbal reaction to some tw*t in a car does not mean that i should have to stick a round for a fight - and the fact that I don't want to fight should not preclude me from verbals ......

.......but then it is my own responsibility to be able to make a swift get away.

PBo

prj45

I was in New Zealand a while back.

A guy stopped his car on the pedestrian crossing.

Nearly every single person that had to walk round him gave him some sort of verbal.

I wish we could see that more of that here.

northstar

I wish we could see that more of that here.

Giving him "verbal" isn't going to achieve much.

mr_hippo

So, you saw a motorist on his mobile phone - what has that got to do with you? Nothing!Then, you deliberately provoke an incident that could have resulted in an accident - "I pull out into the middle of the road to re-overtake him as there was no space on the left, he had had to slam on to stop behind the other cars.."
Please learn some road manners.

andrewjoseph

mr_hippo wrote:

So, you saw a motorist on his mobile phone - what has that got to do with you? Nothing!...

It's this sort of attitude that makes this country such a mess.

most people do little about lawbreakers because it has little to do with them, until there bad behaviour is endemic and the quality of life has gone down the drain.

Of course it had something to do with him, the driver was breaking the law, the poster saw it, he also saw bad driving that directly involved him and made him feel concerned for his safety.

I often gesture at drivers to put the phone down, i have stopped and told people in no uncertain terms that they were driving dangerously and on a few occasions thought I was going to get into a fight.

Quite often just pulling my mobile phone out of my jersey pocket is enough to send people on their way.

But accepting this behaviour by saying it has nothing to do with us, just makes the problem worse.

jimmypippa

mr_hippo wrote:

So, you saw a motorist on his mobile phone - what has that got to do with you? Nothing!Then, you deliberately provoke an incident that could have resulted in an accident - "I pull out into the middle of the road to re-overtake him as there was no space on the left, he had had to slam on to stop behind the other cars.."
Please learn some road manners.

BenBlyth wrote:

Cycled in to work this morning. About 100 - 150 meters ahead is a cross roads with the lights on red, therefore traffic queued up. A lorry comes past me quite close, then, a 4x4 (one of the smaller flash ones) fly's past me far to close and far too fast. I'm thinking, what is the point in that seeing as you can see you have to stop just ahead of me now. As I look in the car, what a surprise, on his mobile.

Seems that it had had something to do with the OP. Being passed by someone who obviously wasn't in full control of their vehicle (one hand on steering wheel, unable to change gear), and driving badly, did affect him, especially as teh OP was likely to be overtaken by the driver again.

People have discussed the (understandable) error in judgement in calling the driver a dick.

prj45

mr_hippo wrote:

So, you saw a motorist on his mobile phone - what has that got to do with you? Nothing!

I'd say that as a fellow road user it's got everything to do with others on the road, particulary cyclists.

How can you say people driving badly has got nothing to do with anybody else?

Next you'll be suggesting that if we see somebody neck six lagers and get in a car it NOTHING to do with us...

Patent madness.

prj45

jimmypippa wrote:

by someone who obviously wasn't in full control of their vehicle (one hand on steering wheel, unable to change gear

I tell you, I see lots of it, some people are perfectly "capable" of changing gear when they're on their mobile phone.

The common one is to switch the phone to the right ear, and then take the left hand off the wheel and change gear with no hands on the wheel, then do a little shimmy as they correct their path by overcompensating when they put their hand back on the wheel, all at speed.

I saw somebody do this just the other day, they were also navigating a bend; I can only assume they held the steering wheel in place with their knees.They still managed to clip the kerb.

I also saw sombody a while back with phone in right hand, map spread across steering wheel being held by left hand steering with their kneews around Aldwych; he went mad when I pointed out what he was doing (as people often do when they are obviously being a complete twat.

"What's somebody on their phone got to do with you, nothing!"

:roll:

Jay dubbleU

boneyjoe wrote:

Oh, and well done for jumping the light in this situation. Personally, I always jump if its safe - its really no different to walking across the street if you ask me.

Except its illegal

Jay dubbleU

prj45 wrote:

Shoulda backed it up.

If he was up for a fight it would be good to see him explaining to the police why he started it.

Why ? If the guy is some kind of psycho whats the point of hanging about ? I don't blame BB - if the guy nearly took me out I'd have a few words to say to him - doesn't mean I'd stay around for a punch up - thats just descending to his level - next time take his number and report him to the police

prj45

Jay dubbleU wrote:

Except its illegal

Precisely.

I can't see how cyclists who jump red lights can ask for other road users to obey the law when they don't bother.

mr_hippo

What a load of car-hating numpties we have on this forum! You have not commented on the cyclist almost causing an accident - take your rose tinted specs off! Please define 'close' and 'too close'. I already know the Highway Code so do not quote that - give me your definition.
jimmypippa "Being passed by someone who obviously wasn't in full control of their vehicle (one hand on steering wheel, unable to change gear), and driving badly..." - all assumptions on your part, I cannot see any references to the car having manual transmission - can you? No reference to the driver not being in full control either, is there?
I hope none of you ever cycle with a club where cyclists are within inches of each other.If you cannot cope with traffic, please put training wheels on your bikes and ride round the local duck pond.

prj45

mr_hippo wrote:

I hope none of you ever cycle with a club where cyclists are within inches of each other

Being within an inch of a cyclist who is watching your back wheel is very different from being passed by a inch by somebody travelling at 20mph or more in a one tonne vehicle with one or maybe no hands on the wheel, given at that speed the pass does actually suck you across the road a little bit when the vehcile goes by.

Regardless. would you pull out a mobile phone in a cycling pack? If you did I suspect you would be ejected from the club tout de suite.

mr_hippo wrote:

I hope none of you ever cycle with a club where cyclists are within inches of each other.If you cannot cope with traffic,

Ooo, I can cope with traffic, I spend two hours a day in London traffic.

I don't like seeing people not taking the requisite measures when driving a one ton vehicle though. This IS rare, but it only takes one.

CyclingBantam

prj45 wrote:

Jay dubbleU wrote:

Except its illegal

Precisely.

I can't see how cyclists who jump red lights can ask for other road users to obey the law when they don't bother.

Some people have seemed to avoid reading key points of what was said. The red lights were jumped to avoid a kicking (potentially) not because I couldn't be bothered waiting! :roll:

By all means have a go but at least be fair when it is pretty clear how the events unfolded.

CyclingBantam

mr_hippo wrote:

What a load of car-hating numpties we have on this forum! You have not commented on the cyclist almost causing an accident

So you can comment on me nearly causing an accident :? (Not sure what you mean at all by that) despite not being there, thus, an assumption.

mr_hippo wrote:

all assumptions on your part, I cannot see any references to the car having manual transmission - can you?

And yet someone else can't make a pretty reasonable assumption?

Seems reasonable...

northstar

prj45 just seems to be looking for a argument, ignore him, he isn't talking any sense.

prj45

BenBlyth wrote:

By all means have a go but at least be fair when it is pretty clear how the events unfolded.

If I wanted to avoid a confrontation I'd be riding through lights too, and on the pavement.

It was another poster that said they jump red lights if they feel it's safe to do so, read up a bit

prj45

northstar wrote:

prj45 just seems to be looking for a argument, ignore him, he isn't talking any sense.

Could you be a bit more specific. What have I said that doesn't make sense?

jimmypippa

I'd guess northstar meant mr_hippo.

Just out of "interest".

I 'd regard a "Small 4x4" as being at least pseudo "sporty", so more likely to have a manual transmission than other cars (most of which are manual in the UK).

That was my reasoning behind the statment about the inability to change gear.

doog442

BenBlyth wrote:

prj45 wrote:

Jay dubbleU wrote:

Except its illegal

Precisely.

I can't see how cyclists who jump red lights can ask for other road users to obey the law when they don't bother.

Some people have seemed to avoid reading key points of what was said. The red lights were jumped to avoid a kicking (potentially) not because I couldn't be bothered waiting! :roll:

By all means have a go but at least be fair when it is pretty clear how the events unfolded.

you called him a dick...phone or not -what did you expect :?: , if a cyclist called me a dick i would want a face to face chat as well...you ran away instead

sorry but welcome to the real world...

prj45

doog442 wrote:

you called him a dick...phone or not -what did you expect :?: , if a cyclist called me a dick i would want a face to face chat as well...you ran away instead

What, even if you realised you were using a phone whilst driving a car, and thought, "you know, he's right, I AM a dick"?

doog442

where does it say in the road traffic act that random cyclists can call motorists on phone dicks :?:

ooh ive just read a post above..you want an argument

prj45

doog442 wrote:

where does it say in the road traffic act that random cyclists can call motorists on phone dicks :?:

Where does it say you can drive whilst talking on a mobile phone?

doog442

here

Regulation 110(5) provides that in specific circumstances a person will not breach the regulation. Where a person makes a call to the emergency services on 999 or 112 in response to a genuine emergency where it is unsafe or impracticable for him (or the provisional licence holder) to cease driving while the call is being made, the regulation is not breached.



where you there :?:

doog442

whereas

the OP may perhaps be guilty of section 5 of the public order act by calling the driver a dick

5 Harassment, alarm or distress

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or

(b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.


perhaps its best he cycled off..perhaps he is a CPS prosecutor and he knew he was on a non literal hiding to nothing

always_tyred

prj45 wrote:

doog442 wrote:

you called him a dick...phone or not -what did you expect :?: , if a cyclist called me a dick i would want a face to face chat as well...you ran away instead

What, even if you realised you were using a phone whilst driving a car, and thought, "you know, he's right, I AM a dick"?

This is getting quite funny.

The point from this, though, is that the "dick" comment is what the driver objected to. I can swear for Britain. And I've been known to point out the hazards of a driver's recent behaviour to them in no uncertain terms.

However, I've found that if I swear, the odds of me finding that the motorist wants to take it further is about 10 times higher. In contrast, if I let of a non swearing tyrade, I can get away with insulting their intelligence, literacy and judgement before they try to get out and murder me.