Boonen - Positive for coke again
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This is a personal problem for him, it's nothing to do with doping in sport and organised practices from Quick-Step. Leave him to sort out any health concerns and moral issues.0
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don key wrote:Have you not figured out that the illusion is that you are enjoying yourself, the operative word being "yourself"?Stating that others don't have issues is saying that you believe the story they present, the reality being that those who are "enjoying" themselves are avoiding issues, it is that simple. There is more nonsense being turned out on this thread than any other I have read this year. Not knowing or being baffled doesn't seem to stop the opinion based on nothing being typed up and presented for our daily diatribic delight.
Interesting points. How have you formed these views?
Do we ever enjoy ourselves or is it all an illusion?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
afx237vi wrote:iainf72 wrote:afx237vi wrote:He needs to sort himself out and ask himself what he wants from life. He doesn't need cycling. If he's not enjoying it anymore, why bother going on?
It baffles me a bit how people who use coke etc always have to have some kind of underlying issue. He goes out, gets pissed and doing a line of coke in the toilets seems like a good idea. No great mystery.
I've known people who were messed up and developed habits. I've also known regular users who didn't have any particular issues but did it for no other reason than they enjoyed it.
Which is fine if you're a regular person with a regular job, but it doesn't work if you're a world famous athlete who knows he is going to be drug-tested.
I'm not judging him. If he wants to spend his life getting off his face and trashing Lamborghinis, then that's his choice, but he can't do that and be a cyclist at the same time.
Which is a crying shame or I, for one, would have fitted in far better with racing above cat 3."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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disgruntledgoat wrote:afx237vi wrote:Which is fine if you're a regular person with a regular job, but it doesn't work if you're a world famous athlete who knows he is going to be drug-tested.
I'm not judging him. If he wants to spend his life getting off his face and trashing Lamborghinis, then that's his choice, but he can't do that and be a cyclist at the same time.
Which is a crying shame or I, for one, would have fitted in far better with racing above cat 3.
You spend your days getting off your face and trashing Lamborghinis? Chapeau, as David Duffield would say!
Maybe you wanna stay away from the 16 year old girls though...0 -
Sadl not AFX... You gotta keep it at your level. I spend my evenings enjoying real ale and once trashed a grifter. I guess when you get to Bonnen's level the opportunties for mayhem are greatly increased.
The girls are none of your business"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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'nuff said 8)
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pb21 wrote:don key wrote:iainf72 wrote:afx237vi wrote:He needs to sort himself out and ask himself what he wants from life. He doesn't need cycling. If he's not enjoying it anymore, why bother going on?
It baffles me a bit how people who use coke etc always have to have some kind of underlying issue. He goes out, gets pissed and doing a line of coke in the toilets seems like a good idea. No great mystery.
I've known people who were messed up and developed habits. I've also known regular users who didn't have any particular issues but did it for no other reason than they enjoyed it.
Have you not figured out that the illusion is that you are enjoying yourself, the operative word being "yourself"?Stating that others don't have issues is saying that you believe the story they present, the reality being that those who are "enjoying" themselves are avoiding issues, it is that simple. There is more nonsense being turned out on this thread than any other I have read this year. Not knowing or being baffled doesn't seem to stop the opinion based on nothing being typed up and presented for our daily diatribic delight.
So everyone who has tried cocaine is avoiding issues?
Of course they are.0 -
Turns out Tommeke was caught for coke in November 2007. So that's three times he's been busted.0
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I think it looks like more than a couple (three now!) of times Tom has gone over the White line.
To suggest that the only time he has had coke is when he gets caught is fairytale stuff.
It would be best if Tom withdraws from racing for at the least the rest of the year, and sorts himself out.
He is not the first cyclist to get done for coke so maybe there is an underlying problem here that no-one is dealing with (and some kind of performance benefit we do not know?). Tom is a superstar in Belgium. You only had to look at the chaotic scenes at Paris-Roubaix to see the kind of 'support' he has. Similar to a rock star. When he comes off his 'stage' the lights go out, no fans cheering etc. Only silence. This is when he turns to other highs.
Tom needs a different kind of support now from his fans. I hope he does not take them for idiots, and accepts this is an addiction and not a slipup. He is young enough to get over this and come back.
We do not want to see another Pantani/Jimenez/Fois etc.0 -
Its not just in cycling, though in tennis it seems this may be classified as a PED, hence the possible 2 year ban. http://msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,1 ... 60,00.html
Fair enough, Gasquet (a Frenchman by the way) has allowed hair samples to be tested as opposed to denying use and screaming about an unborn twin or too much whiskey. It'll be interesting to see how he gets out of this after the official sample being positive.0 -
To the people suggesting that someone who takes illegal drugs must have other "issues", I would have to ask does that apply to people who go to the pub and drink too much on a Friday night afterwork?
I think Boonen or any other sporting star who takes cocaine or any other banned substance is an idiot as it will clearly threaten their livelihoods and that he must have some sort of issue of lack of self control when out on the lash. That's not the same as saying he has some sort of personality disorder or whatever; he's just a bit of a pillock who ought to be putting this sort of thing off until he retires.
Of course plenty of people develop problems with drugs and I think that it is pretty stupid to dabble in them just on the grounds that I wouldn't want to risk addiction and damage to my health.<a><img></a>0 -
cswebbo wrote:r. When he comes off his 'stage' the lights go out, no fans cheering etc. Only silence. This is when he turns to other highs.
Tom needs a different kind of support now from his fans. I hope he does not take them for idiots, and accepts this is an addiction and not a slipup. He is young enough to get over this and come back.
We do not want to see another Pantani/Jimenez/Fois etc.
Due respect, but that's just idle speculation.
Completely agree with your summing up though."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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pb21 wrote:don key wrote:iainf72 wrote:afx237vi wrote:He needs to sort himself out and ask himself what he wants from life. He doesn't need cycling. If he's not enjoying it anymore, why bother going on?
It baffles me a bit how people who use coke etc always have to have some kind of underlying issue. He goes out, gets pissed and doing a line of coke in the toilets seems like a good idea. No great mystery.
I've known people who were messed up and developed habits. I've also known regular users who didn't have any particular issues but did it for no other reason than they enjoyed it.
Have you not figured out that the illusion is that you are enjoying yourself, the operative word being "yourself"?Stating that others don't have issues is saying that you believe the story they present, the reality being that those who are "enjoying" themselves are avoiding issues, it is that simple. There is more nonsense being turned out on this thread than any other I have read this year. Not knowing or being baffled doesn't seem to stop the opinion based on nothing being typed up and presented for our daily diatribic delight.
So everyone who has tried cocaine is avoiding issues?
Not entirely sure what he's trying to say there but I and a lot of my friends have dabbled in the past and I didn't do it because of issues, I did it because it was fun0 -
dave milne wrote:pb21 wrote:don key wrote:iainf72 wrote:afx237vi wrote:He needs to sort himself out and ask himself what he wants from life. He doesn't need cycling. If he's not enjoying it anymore, why bother going on?
It baffles me a bit how people who use coke etc always have to have some kind of underlying issue. He goes out, gets pissed and doing a line of coke in the toilets seems like a good idea. No great mystery.
I've known people who were messed up and developed habits. I've also known regular users who didn't have any particular issues but did it for no other reason than they enjoyed it.
Have you not figured out that the illusion is that you are enjoying yourself, the operative word being "yourself"?Stating that others don't have issues is saying that you believe the story they present, the reality being that those who are "enjoying" themselves are avoiding issues, it is that simple. There is more nonsense being turned out on this thread than any other I have read this year. Not knowing or being baffled doesn't seem to stop the opinion based on nothing being typed up and presented for our daily diatribic delight.
So everyone who has tried cocaine is avoiding issues?
Not entirely sure what he's trying to say there but I and a lot of my friends have dabbled in the past and I didn't do it because of issues, I did it because it was fun
I tend to disagree. Coke gives you the illusion that you are doing great things and it would seem to make these things more "fun". The reality is that you're only sitting around and
"doing coke". A very powerful drug, especially for people who are lonely, bored, etc..
So in the end I'm guessing that most people who "do coke" do, in fact, have issues, but then again don't we all. Getting "hooked" on it is one of the easiest things in the world.
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But now you're getting onto what the definition of "fun" is. We enjoy riding bikes and suffering up climbs etc. Most people wouldn't say that was fun but we might.
Something is fun if the person doing it says it is. It doesn't mean that the person doing coke has issues.<a><img></a>0 -
dennisn wrote:dave milne wrote:pb21 wrote:don key wrote:iainf72 wrote:afx237vi wrote:He needs to sort himself out and ask himself what he wants from life. He doesn't need cycling. If he's not enjoying it anymore, why bother going on?
It baffles me a bit how people who use coke etc always have to have some kind of underlying issue. He goes out, gets pissed and doing a line of coke in the toilets seems like a good idea. No great mystery.
I've known people who were messed up and developed habits. I've also known regular users who didn't have any particular issues but did it for no other reason than they enjoyed it.
Have you not figured out that the illusion is that you are enjoying yourself, the operative word being "yourself"?Stating that others don't have issues is saying that you believe the story they present, the reality being that those who are "enjoying" themselves are avoiding issues, it is that simple. There is more nonsense being turned out on this thread than any other I have read this year. Not knowing or being baffled doesn't seem to stop the opinion based on nothing being typed up and presented for our daily diatribic delight.
So everyone who has tried cocaine is avoiding issues?
Not entirely sure what he's trying to say there but I and a lot of my friends have dabbled in the past and I didn't do it because of issues, I did it because it was fun
I tend to disagree. Coke gives you the illusion that you are doing great things and it would seem to make these things more "fun". The reality is that you're only sitting around and
"doing coke". A very powerful drug, especially for people who are lonely, bored, etc..
So in the end I'm guessing that most people who "do coke" do, in fact, have issues, but then again don't we all. Getting "hooked" on it is one of the easiest things in the world.
Dennis Noward
It really is a mystery that I find myself in agreement with you.
As for doing it because it was fun, well I think you have answered to your own illusive question. Yes, delusion plays a part as well.0 -
don key wrote:Of course they are.
sorry that's complete rubbish. i'm sure a lot of people who do it have issues, i'm sure a lot of people who don't do it have issues. Whether boonen has issues other than that of rank stupidity i'm not really in a position to judge0 -
don key wrote:dennisn wrote:dave milne wrote:pb21 wrote:don key wrote:iainf72 wrote:afx237vi wrote:He needs to sort himself out and ask himself what he wants from life. He doesn't need cycling. If he's not enjoying it anymore, why bother going on?
It baffles me a bit how people who use coke etc always have to have some kind of underlying issue. He goes out, gets pissed and doing a line of coke in the toilets seems like a good idea. No great mystery.
I've known people who were messed up and developed habits. I've also known regular users who didn't have any particular issues but did it for no other reason than they enjoyed it.
Have you not figured out that the illusion is that you are enjoying yourself, the operative word being "yourself"?Stating that others don't have issues is saying that you believe the story they present, the reality being that those who are "enjoying" themselves are avoiding issues, it is that simple. There is more nonsense being turned out on this thread than any other I have read this year. Not knowing or being baffled doesn't seem to stop the opinion based on nothing being typed up and presented for our daily diatribic delight.
So everyone who has tried cocaine is avoiding issues?
Not entirely sure what he's trying to say there but I and a lot of my friends have dabbled in the past and I didn't do it because of issues, I did it because it was fun
I tend to disagree. Coke gives you the illusion that you are doing great things and it would seem to make these things more "fun". The reality is that you're only sitting around and
"doing coke". A very powerful drug, especially for people who are lonely, bored, etc..
So in the end I'm guessing that most people who "do coke" do, in fact, have issues, but then again don't we all. Getting "hooked" on it is one of the easiest things in the world.
Dennis Noward
It really is a mystery that I find myself in agreement with you.
As for doing it because it was fun, well I think you have answered to your own illusive question. Yes, delusion plays a part as well.
I'll admit to dabbling in more than a few nose fulls. And you're right about delusion. You do a line or two and you feel like you're doing great things, you're "ready" to go at whatever, yet in the end you're sitting on couch watching some old movie on TV or sitting in some sleazy bar drinking beer and your brain is jacked up to the ceiling. I'm not surprised at all that people get "hooked". More than a few sports figures, along with bunches of other "regular people" have seen coke become their downfall. Some see the light, some don't. Very sad. Or maybe they all see the light yet just can't break away.
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dave milne wrote:don key wrote:Of course they are.
sorry that's complete rubbish. i'm sure a lot of people who do it have issues, i'm sure a lot of people who don't do it have issues. Whether boonen has issues other than that of rank stupidity i'm not really in a position to judge
I'm not sorry but it's not.0 -
To say that everyone who has tried cocaine is doing so to avoid issues is the same thing, IMO, as saying eveyone who has consumed alcohol has done so to avoid issues, in other words, pretty empty statement.
Its true in a sense that taking drugs can put you in a state of mind you wouldnt otherwise be in and therefore can avoid issues. Everyone has issues to some extent or another. And of course drugs can be taken to only avoid issues the same as how anything can become an obsession in order to avoid confronting what it is you fear.
Taking drugs to me is the same as riding a bike. Riding a bike is fun, taking drugs is fun. Drugs provide a experiance that cant be achieved with out them, the experiance of cycling cant be achived unless you cycle.Mañana0 -
dennisn wrote:don key wrote:dennisn wrote:dave milne wrote:pb21 wrote:don key wrote:iainf72 wrote:afx237vi wrote:He needs to sort himself out and ask himself what he wants from life. He doesn't need cycling. If he's not enjoying it anymore, why bother going on?
It baffles me a bit how people who use coke etc always have to have some kind of underlying issue. He goes out, gets pissed and doing a line of coke in the toilets seems like a good idea. No great mystery.
I've known people who were messed up and developed habits. I've also known regular users who didn't have any particular issues but did it for no other reason than they enjoyed it.
Have you not figured out that the illusion is that you are enjoying yourself, the operative word being "yourself"?Stating that others don't have issues is saying that you believe the story they present, the reality being that those who are "enjoying" themselves are avoiding issues, it is that simple. There is more nonsense being turned out on this thread than any other I have read this year. Not knowing or being baffled doesn't seem to stop the opinion based on nothing being typed up and presented for our daily diatribic delight.
So everyone who has tried cocaine is avoiding issues?
Not entirely sure what he's trying to say there but I and a lot of my friends have dabbled in the past and I didn't do it because of issues, I did it because it was fun
I tend to disagree. Coke gives you the illusion that you are doing great things and it would seem to make these things more "fun". The reality is that you're only sitting around and
"doing coke". A very powerful drug, especially for people who are lonely, bored, etc..
So in the end I'm guessing that most people who "do coke" do, in fact, have issues, but then again don't we all. Getting "hooked" on it is one of the easiest things in the world.
Dennis Noward
It really is a mystery that I find myself in agreement with you.
As for doing it because it was fun, well I think you have answered to your own illusive question. Yes, delusion plays a part as well.
I'll admit to dabbling in more than a few nose fulls. And you're right about delusion. You do a line or two and you feel like you're doing great things, you're "ready" to go at whatever, yet in the end you're sitting on couch watching some old movie on TV or sitting in some sleazy bar drinking beer and your brain is jacked up to the ceiling. I'm not surprised at all that people get "hooked". More than a few sports figures, along with bunches of other "regular people" have seen coke become their downfall. Some see the light, some don't. Very sad. Or maybe they all see the light yet just can't break away.
Dennis Noward
A girl I know, who isn't very bright, referred to Coke as the most stupid fu***n drug of them all. Well said Sharon.0 -
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colleague of mine who is Belgian and same town as Boonen says to me today when I mentioned Boonen that he was no surprised and that it has been an open secret for 6 years now that he has been using....make of that what you will...but doesn't surprise me. I wonder if Boonen is done for as a pro cyclist?0
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Hi there.
I've got a question about the legal stuff here... I don't know all the facts here, so maybeb you can help me out?
Boonen was tested by the Belgian anti-drug agency - local WADA representatives or whomever?
He didn't test positive for any controlled substance within the parameters under which the test was performed (out of competition).
However the results were passed to the Belgian police - on who's authority? Does traces of an illegal drug in your bloodstream constitute possession under Belgian law?
I'm not condoning anyone here, just curious.
Let me imagine another scenario - a rider arrives home after a night out in the pub... The testers are waiting for him on his doorstep and find alcohol in his bloodstream. Now if he drove home do they report him for drink driving?
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PeteinSQ wrote:To the people suggesting that someone who takes illegal drugs must have other "issues", I would have to ask does that apply to people who go to the pub and drink too much on a Friday night afterwork?
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