4 digits for a little bit of Kharma

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  • jedster
    jedster Posts: 1,717
    DDD,

    don't understand why you say the Kharma was faster and stiffer but the Willier accelerated easier - I thought stiffer frames transferred opower better with the cost that they tend to be less comfortable?

    J
  • UnworthyPapaLazaru
    UnworthyPapaLazaru Posts: 422
    Ah right, I get you.

    I must admit I didn’t take to the Mortirolo when I test rode it and that was the bike I was dreaming of for months.

    Your post reminded me of the Euro Cyclist code of conduct where everything is based solely on feel and guided by sensations and instinct. Never accept tried or tested scientific methods...

    Your weird sense of achievement... That will pass and the euphoria will fade when you realise cycling up hills is still hard work no matter what bike you’re on!
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    gtvlusso wrote:
    DDD - cheers for the advice. I will see if I can get a test somewhere. To be honest, it won't be a commuting bike, so, comfort is not required - the sucker is gonna race!

    That's what I meant to say!

    The Wilier Mortirolo felt like a great commuter part-time racer/sportive.

    The Kharma felt like a professional sportive.

    Depending on what if at all any bike the Kharma would be replacing you may want to consider a Kebel.... It's a little more race/triathlon breed.
    I was gonna get a cheap Karbona frame from ebay, but the Kharma looks as though it has a full geometry - horizontal top tube, something I prefer. Never been a fan of compact or semi compact geometry as it can make the bike really twitchy.

    I think your looking at the 07/08 Kharma:
    KuotaKharma.jpg

    This is the 09 Kharma - what I bought (still awaiting delivery)
    kharma.jpg

    2009 Kebel: - not the straight top tube:
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    F*CK ME I'm EXCITED

    Phoned the bike shop and the Kharma is ready :D:D:D

    [girly voice]Oh my days oh my days oh my days!!![/girly voice]

    This is 6 different levels of awesome rolled into a awesome ball to form the Awesome Universe!!! [geek] (assuming the Universe is spherical)[/geek].

    I played out several scenario’s in my head of how I could leave work early and get to the bike shop but too many variables to calculate. So I marched into my Managers office and booked a day off for tomorrow!!!!

    I want to SCREAM!!!!
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  • mountainroadie
    mountainroadie Posts: 244
    the kebel is longer on the top tube too 5cm {2 inches} screams race bike
  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    That 09 Kharma looks the mutts nuts.

    You've got to bring it to the Morpeth tomorrow...
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    Good one DDD, enjoy! Gotta agree with Greg, it's a nice looking machine.
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    :D
    :D:D:D:D:D
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    A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Ladies and Gentlemen

    I give to you Karen:

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  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Can't see picture mutter mutter net nanny... is Karen coming to the morpeth?
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  • Citizen Smith
    Citizen Smith Posts: 336
    edited May 2009
    Nice DDD, real nice! Now bring her to the Morpeth so we can have a proper ogle.
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  • jeepie
    jeepie Posts: 497
    Oh my!!!!! Well done DDD
  • biondino
    biondino Posts: 5,990
    It's a nice bike but if only there was some way of telling whether she uses carbon fibre monocoque technology.
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  • jonginge
    jonginge Posts: 5,945
    Lovely. Those fulcrums match nicely. Good job :D
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  • gtvlusso
    gtvlusso Posts: 5,112
    I am Jack's raging jealousy!!

    Thats is a sweet bike DDD!! Now looking for a Kharma frame for a groupset swap!

    Enjoy (I am pretty sure you will!)
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    gtvlusso wrote:

    Enjoy (I am pretty sure you will!)

    Its beautiful I actually went looking for hills and was like "COME ON!!!!"

    She's fast as well, weighs 20lbs....
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    A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    Lovely!

    Now put a proper cassette on it!
  • CiB
    CiB Posts: 6,098
    I knew I'd seen the Kebel mentioned on here somewhere. Was in our new LBS the other day and came across one. Quite magnificent, Ultegra SL bits, and a price that's well within the new bike fund that's been accumulating and really ought to be spent before summer starts. Over a brief chat as an alternative to the Kebel I was pointed to the the Felt F3. It was ok, but didn't grab me like the Kuota did. I'm going back later this week with my shoes & kit on to have a go [on the Kebel].

    Looks aren't everything, but it has all the kit. My default position at the minute is to get on with it and buy the Kebel. I suppose I ought to ask the usual questions first - anyone got any opinions of the Kebel, and are there better competitors for my dosh that I ought to at least consider?

    Usage? 20+ miles commute 2-3 days per week, 50 - 100m weekend rides from time to time, riding it once to my mate's house so he can do it his 'how much? For a bike? Jeez that's light', just once tho . And taking the boy to school too. Might use the Scott for that instead.

    Kuota Kebel. Good, or superb?
  • kingrollo
    kingrollo Posts: 3,198
    I almost purchased a kharma this week ? - (been quoted 1650 for 105 easton ea 50 sl) - but wheels are in short stock at the moment !

    I currently have a pinarello alu - which is very racey - the recent cycling weekly review puts the kharma in the stable but fast category - rather than dedicated racer - the kebel with its shorter wheel base is supposed to be more racey .........but it was the kharna that caufgt my eye first.....so I am pondering at the moment !!!!
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    kingrollo wrote:
    I almost purchased a kharma this week ? - (been quoted 1650 for 105 easton ea 50 sl) - but wheels are in short stock at the moment !

    I currently have a pinarello alu - which is very racey - the recent cycling weekly review puts the kharma in the stable but fast category - rather than dedicated racer - the kebel with its shorter wheel base is supposed to be more racey .........but it was the kharna that caufgt my eye first.....so I am pondering at the moment !!!!

    Haven't read Cycling weekly but it sounds damn accurate.

    Kharma = Stable but fast, very sportive aimed.


    Kebel = race orientated.
    Food Chain number = 4

    A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
  • Chewy Cheeks
    Chewy Cheeks Posts: 234
    I saw a completely black Kharma at the Smithfield Noctunre. I dont know if it was an older model or not but in biking terms it had everything you'd want.

    The kids said "dad we need a weeee.... noowww" so that was that for my oggling
    - just thought I would say it's a real looker
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