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patchypatchy Posts: 779
edited May 2009 in Commuting chat
Can someone cut my kneecaps off please? I'm sick of them hurting.

alternatively, anyone know any good stretches/exercises/setup tips to reduce knee pain? I've done all the usual seat height/cleat position finagling.

FYI, i got run over by a car a couple of months ago: i didn't break anything, but my right knee and ankle were in pretty bad shape for a while. I kept the riding light as i suffered major knee pain: about three weeks ago, i thought it had cleared up.

I did a sportive (114k), relatively flat, over Easter, and since then my LEFT knee has been just shocking. i tried to get out last night, after 2 miles it was hurting and i had to give up and go home after 10 miles. I'm experiencing pain mostly on the inside of the kneecap, but i've experienced pain all around the knee.

help!!
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  • biondinobiondino Posts: 5,990
    Have you checked your cleat position? Sure you have but it's the first thing I'd look at.
  • lost_in_thoughtlost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Go and see a doctor, followed by a physio/osteo.

    It's probably your left knee overcompensating for the weaker right, either way, you could do yourself further damage unless you get it seen to by a professional.
  • Rich158Rich158 Posts: 2,348
    Go and see a doctor, followed by a physio/osteo.

    It's probably your left knee overcompensating for the weaker right, either way, you could do yourself further damage unless you get it seen to by a professional.

    +1 to that. Get yourself to a physio ASAP, just don't mess with your knees, it's not worth it.
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  • Fireblade96Fireblade96 Posts: 1,123
    I too have occasional knee pain, ever since a somewhat spectacular snowboarding accident a few years ago. Strangely enough, it's not just the knee that I injured that plays up now but both of them.

    Most of the time it's OK, but when I've been pushing it a bit one or both can start to give me grief. I had to get rescued after cycling the Ridgeway when one knee locked up and I could no longer turn the pedals!

    It gets better with fitness (the problem is with my ligaments), but I've learnt that when it starts to hurt, back off/stop.

    Of course, do the sensible thing and go see a doctor. They'll tell you to take some Ibruprofen and come back in a couple of weeks if it still hurts.

    I don't have much faith in doctors

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  • patchypatchy Posts: 779
    yup - them cleats have been fiddled and fiddled and fiddled with repeatedly. they're spot on.

    The overcompensation thing is my suspicion too – especially as the pain has essentially switched knees, rather than being present in both. Just wanted to check there wasn't anything obvious i was missing before going down the medical route.
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  • CiBCiB Posts: 6,098
    Rich158 wrote:
    Go and see a doctor, followed by a physio/osteo.

    It's probably your left knee overcompensating for the weaker right, either way, you could do yourself further damage unless you get it seen to by a professional.

    +1 to that. Get yourself to a physio ASAP, just don't mess with your knees, it's not worth it.

    +1. Normally I'd say that if the bone isn't sticking out of the flesh then run it off man, but knees is a serious business. Get it looked at.
  • girv73girv73 Posts: 842
    patchy wrote:
    Can someone cut my kneecaps off please? I'm sick of them hurting.

    We used to do a good line in that here in Belfast. Pop over sometime big lad, we'll sort you out no bother like.

    Alternatively, do what the nice sensible people on here have suggested and go see a doctor.
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  • asprillaasprilla Posts: 8,440
    My right knee generally hurts due to a tight ITB. I went to the physio, got some proper diagnosis and some advice about stretching.

    Occasionally I have to go to the sports massuse to have it freed up, but since this hurts like hell as well, I find it best to do the stretches.
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  • Kieran_BurnsKieran_Burns Posts: 10,052
    i've found the use of a knee support on the hurty days have helped a great deal, but then my doctor made me feel stupid for complaining so i gave up.
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  • brushedbrushed Posts: 63
    If the pain is behind the kneecap its likely it could be chrondomalacia patella (poorly knees !) a common ailment in cyclists. I have had it alot.

    The Quad muscles get tight through overuse and your stretching routine is insufficent to restretch them back to their original lenght.

    This causes the kneecap to track wrongly over the knee causing pain behind.

    Could be the illiotibial band (ITB) as has also been suggested doing the same thing ie pulling your kneecap to one side.

    Once one knee goes the other over compensates and you have two bad knees.

    Rest - take some days off of the bike
    Physio - will ease out the muscles and ITB
    Stretch - after light ridng so muscles are warm
    Light cycling - low gears no hills
    In winter keep knees warm

    Do stretching regularly: I cannot stress this enough - it has kept me on my bike for 25 years !

    As you have had a crash trauma to it is is likely to flair up without special attention again and again.

    Hope it sorts itself out
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  • londonlivvylondonlivvy Posts: 644
    I feel your pain. Knee trouble is, well, troublesome. I know. I had lots of problems with my knees last year which I couldn't sort out, regardless of fiddling with cleats / seat etc etc. They got so sore at one point that I couldn't even walk to my local shop. But a colleague recommended the wondrous www.sixphysio.com team to me and within three weeks I was pretty much pain free and within three months I'd cycled to Paris. They are utter, utter geniuses and I can't recommend them highly enough.

    They'll put your bike on a turbo trainer to look at your riding style - video it and show you where you're going wrong (if you are) and look at your posture & natural alignment. And sort that where necessary. In my case it was partly riding wrongly, partly curved bones (therefore inserts) and partly exercises to sort various muscles.

    They are expensive - but worth every penny, IMO.
  • spursn17spursn17 Posts: 284
    They are expensive - but worth every penny, IMO.

    How expensive?
  • biondinobiondino Posts: 5,990
    spursn17 wrote:
    They are expensive - but worth every penny, IMO.

    How expensive?

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  • londonlivvylondonlivvy Posts: 644
    If I remember right (BUPA paid) it was £65 a session. But I went to a cheaper one at £40 twice a week for a month with zero improvement.
  • ceecee Posts: 4,553
    i have also had good experiences of NHS pyhsio.....

    you can even refer yourself, but it might be a good idea to see a doc first.
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  • patchypatchy Posts: 779
    Cheers all - this is really handy. I think my housemate has used Six Physio before, and has had startlingly good results. Doc first though. rassum frassum doctors rubbish hate them useless gonna be a waste of time...
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