Fixed Penalty Notice... offence H242

greg66_tri_v2.0

ince wrote:

At the end of the day these people have a job to do. You could be lucky and get caught by an officer in a good mood who advises you in what is wrong and sends you on the way. On the flip you can have one who is stricket on the law and gives you the full hit.

The fact anyone gets caught at all is unlucky with the limited resorce the police have for doing their job.

I'd rather the number of unlucky murderers, rapists, muggers, burglars etc went up, and the number of unlucky motorists, cyclists etc went down.

Funny how the second category generate fines, and the first don't, eh?

biondino

MrChuck wrote:

Sewinman wrote:

Sounds like a couple of jobs-worth diet police to me...who have not got the intelligence to use a bit of discretion. :roll:

Don't you think that's a bit lazy, not to mention patronizing? The jobsworth thing in particular often seems to me the last resort of someone who hasn't got their way and can't be bothered to think about the reasons why that might be the case.

Exactly, and feels entitled to break the law because there are paedos and immigrants somewhere who need to be rounded up, so just what are the police playing at. It's political correctness gone mad.

Sewinman

biondino wrote:

MrChuck wrote:

Sewinman wrote:

Sounds like a couple of jobs-worth diet police to me...who have not got the intelligence to use a bit of discretion. :roll:

Don't you think that's a bit lazy, not to mention patronizing? The jobsworth thing in particular often seems to me the last resort of someone who hasn't got their way and can't be bothered to think about the reasons why that might be the case.

Exactly, and feels entitled to break the law because there are paedos and immigrants somewhere who need to be rounded up, so just what are the police playing at. It's political correctness gone mad.

Eh? I am afraid I don't think like that.

biondino

Stopping potentially dangerous, anti-social riders flouting laws seems exactly what "diet" police should be doing. Seriously, if you're on a bike DON'T BREAK THE ****ING LAW. If you get caught, it's your own stupid fault. No excuses, no sneery crap about how the police have better things to be doing. This isn't meant to be a personal attack at all, Sewinman, I'm just sick of the blinkered selfish attitudes of so many people in this country who think laws and ethics and whatever are for other people to obey.

BoardinBob

ince wrote:

At the end of the day these people have a job to do.

But they don't do that job particularly well.

A couple of weeks ago a group of about 10 guys around 16 - 18 appeared in the communal gardens at the back of my flat. They were drinking, smoking hash, making a lot of noise, battering a football off fences and walls and dropping litter all over the place.

In this day and age, particularly with the knife culture in Glasgow, there was no way I was going down to tell them to beat it so I called the cops.

An hour later and the guys are still there with no sign of the cops. :roll:

LDN-Flyer

I thought it was only illegal is you're riding dangerously ?

biondino

LDN-Flyer wrote:

I thought it was only illegal is you're riding dangerously ?

What, riding on the pavement? It's illegal full stop, but the police are encouraged to warn people rather than fine them when there's no recklessness involved. Doesn't legitimise it and it should still be discouraged.

LDN-Flyer

It would make more sense to discourage/clamp down on blindsiding HGVs and jumping red lights seems as they cause more deaths.

Its gotta suck though, i'd never stop for a plastic plod, unless of course they are on a bike, although they probably still be left with a nice view of my arse getting smaller over the horizon.

Mr_Cellophane

CPSO on a bike on Tuesday ticketing some old dear who had double parked.
Saw another couple with helmets on in Surrey Quay Decathlon looking at bikes yesterday.

OldSkoolKona

What you also have to consider is that the Police are in many ways driven to be shown to be active in areas that are perceived to be causing problems.

Take these minutes from my local concil ward's Area Consultation meeting. A resident makes a complaint about cyclists on pavements, the police then have to respond and demonstrate that they are taking this on board. Nevermind the fact that motorists flout the law in much more dangerous ways (I saw 5 instances of "using a mobile while driving" on my cycle to work yesterday :roll: ).

The answer? Well as well as adhering to the rules as a cyclist (and I completely detest RLJing and pavement cycling), get involved with your local cycling campaign groups and/or go along to the equivalent area consulation meetings in your area (e.g. Example from Sheffield). Yes, it takes some effort, and yes nothing will be solved over night, but cyclists need to get their voices heard.

doog442

'd rather the number of unlucky murderers, rapists, muggers, burglars etc went up, and the number of unlucky motorists, cyclists etc went down.

Funny how the second category generate fines, and the first don't, eh?



clueless :roll:

greg66_tri_v2.0

doog442 wrote:

'd rather the number of unlucky murderers, rapists, muggers, burglars etc went up, and the number of unlucky motorists, cyclists etc went down.

Funny how the second category generate fines, and the first don't, eh?



clueless :roll:

Aww, c'mon, smartboy, educate me. Show me how clever you can be.

chuckcork

Greg66 wrote:

doog442 wrote:

'd rather the number of unlucky murderers, rapists, muggers, burglars etc went up, and the number of unlucky motorists, cyclists etc went down.

Funny how the second category generate fines, and the first don't, eh?



clueless :roll:

Aww, c'mon, smartboy, educate me. Show me how clever you can be.

I don't think CSPO's are given the powers to investigate major crimes that attract prison sentences....only tiny little ones that generate fines. Nuisance stuff for the "proper" coppers.

Pity though the abililty to enforce traffic law they can be delegated isn't used to police drivers doing the wrong thing, the "driving while using a mobile" being the most obvious one. I guess its because its hard to stop a car that is moving at speed, and issuing a fine after they've gone would require evidence, apperance in court etc. Whereas stopping a cyclist by comparison is a piece of p*ss.

I'd lile also to say to LiT, nice posting earlier on this topic, I was the same until I got into road biking and saw the error of my ways.

doog442

Greg66 wrote:

doog442 wrote:

'd rather the number of unlucky murderers, rapists, muggers, burglars etc went up, and the number of unlucky motorists, cyclists etc went down.

Funny how the second category generate fines, and the first don't, eh?



clueless :roll:

Aww, c'mon, smartboy, educate me. Show me how clever you can be.

suprised you didnt ask why they werent out catching all the peado's as well, or did you forget that one 8)

tailwindhome

doog442 wrote:

Greg66 wrote:

doog442 wrote:

'd rather the number of unlucky murderers, rapists, muggers, burglars etc went up, and the number of unlucky motorists, cyclists etc went down.

Funny how the second category generate fines, and the first don't, eh?



clueless :roll:

Aww, c'mon, smartboy, educate me. Show me how clever you can be.

suprised you didnt ask why they werent out catching all the peado's as well, or did you forget that one 8)

I think he just did

doog442

spelling police :shock:

greg66_tri_v2.0

doog442 wrote:

spelling police :shock:

No, Ignorance Police.

Now, now, don't go off running and hiding. Show us all how clever you are. C'mon, this is your spot in the bright lights.

Dazzle me with your wisdom.

Crapaud

BoardinBob wrote:

... On my daily commute I see lethal examples of driving, outside of speeding which is an easily punished offence. Where are the the cops standing by the roadside pulling drivers in for talking on their mobiles, eating and drinking while driving, aggressive overtaking? ...

Traffic cops can be found regularly on Carmunock Rd (in Castlemilk), the Cathkin by-pass / East Kilbride Rd, Glasgow Rd (Ruggie), London Rd (in Bridgeton) amongst others.

doog442

Greg66 wrote:

doog442 wrote:

spelling police :shock:

No, Ignorance Police.

Now, now, don't go off running and hiding. Show us all how clever you are. C'mon, this is your spot in the bright lights.

Dazzle me with your wisdom.

allright GREG 8)


1. PCSO'S dont deal with murderers rapists and PAEDOPHILES.

2. I dont recall the last time a PCSO caught a murderer rapist or anyone else.

3. Just think, if the Police and or PCSO's didnt have to deal with this stuff, they could all be out trying to catch all the murders rapists robbers and PAEDOPHILES.

4,OH..they dont issue fixed penalties for murderer,rape etc

Is that enough....

go and tell me how your house was burgled and the police did naff all blah blah blah

actually tell us all how you bike was nicked..and the police did nothing....clearly you have a chip on your shoulder

Enlighten us all Greg :shock:

dont go hiding now

greg66_tri_v2.0

doog442 wrote:

allright GREG 8)


1. PCSO'S dont deal with murderers rapists and PAEDOPHILES.

2. I dont recall the last time a PCSO caught a murderer rapist or anyone else.

3. Just think, if the Police and or PCSO's didnt have to deal with this stuff, they could all be out trying to catch all the murders rapists robbers and PAEDOPHILES.

4,OH..they dont issue fixed penalties for murderer,rape etc

Is that enough....

<yap yap snipped>

That's awesome.

Now read what the grown ups were talking about when you butted in.

Greg66 wrote:

ince wrote:

At the end of the day these people have a job to do. You could be lucky and get caught by an officer in a good mood who advises you in what is wrong and sends you on the way. On the flip you can have one who is stricket on the law and gives you the full hit.

The fact anyone gets caught at all is unlucky with the limited resorce the police have for doing their job.

I'd rather the number of unlucky murderers, rapists, muggers, burglars etc went up, and the number of unlucky motorists, cyclists etc went down.

Funny how the second category generate fines, and the first don't, eh?

The grown ups are talking about police. Not PCSOs. And we're talking about using the resources of the police force to combat serious crime. Not adding to the tax take. SO try to focus on the point in hand, rather than the irrelevant point you've thought of and decided to prattle on about.

And "allright" isn't a word. Nor are "didnt" and "dont".

sylvestermorgan

Jeepie wrote:

3.If all the pavement cyclists are forced onto the roads how many more road rage - traffic accidents would occur.

Actually it would be much safer for all cyclists. Safety in numbers and greater awareness of cyclists on the road.

+1 from me. The more of us on the road the sooner drivers will get used to us, and less likely to make mistakes. This is why I have mixed opinions about cycling lanes.

doog442

you clearly have a sense of the ridiculous..

whos talking serious crime other than you in your head

this thread is about a fixed penalty ticket .

If you had any idea (and you dont) you would know about the green paper on policing that pledges more money for safer neighbourhood teams over the next 3 years and less on tackling serious and organised crime

that means more tickets for people who cycle on the pavement and less on agencies such as SOCA

dont patronise me, come back and pick a fight on something you may have the upper hand on ....

greg66_tri_v2.0

doog442 wrote:

dont patronise me.

When you're able to follow an argument, understand it, construct something useful to add to it, and spell, you be sure to come back and I promise I'll play nice.

Until then, well, it's been real fun. Bye bye.

doog442

PCSO issues ticket

someone starts thread

You turn it into Miami vice

Me thinks you 1. have had too much vino 2. you really dont understand the thread

bye greg

ps heres the main point of the thread....

Yesterday... ~4:30pm
Along came two CPOs and wait for cyclists. Slaps a fixed penalty notice on 30pounds.
It almost felt as they were trying to do me a favour.
I was vey polite.

chuckcork

doog442 wrote:

PCSO issues ticket

someone starts thread

You turn it into Miami vice

Do we get to see some car chases, sorry bike chases, through the streets of london, complete with truncheons, knobbly tyred mountain bikes, not-quite-plod being left behind...

I'm getting excited already!

Not so much silly commuter racing as, um, something else?

always_tyred

PCSOs are funded from the main policing budget, aren't they?

Therefore, a discussion about wasting police resources by having loads of PCSOs issuing finies for things like riding on pavements, riding dangerously fast on shared use paths and abusing pedestrians (for example), instead of funding more police to solve crimes like burgulating, might indeed be valid. I'm sure that there was a protracted national debate about this once.

Aaaaanyway. I'm not entirely sure what sarcasm is, so I'm going to throw in some of these to imply some form of double meaning - :roll: :idea: 8)

Teddzzy

I do a route in Notts a few times a week, some (most) of it is on the road or cycle path, but there is a little (tiny tiny) bit on the footpath, where did they catch you?? Were you nice to them when they did it? or where you a bit arsey???

Also, has anyone ever noticed, that when the cycle path and the footpath run along side each other, that the people always walk in the cycle path????

roger_merriman

Teddzzy wrote:

I do a route in Notts a few times a week, some (most) of it is on the road or cycle path, but there is a little (tiny tiny) bit on the footpath, where did they catch you?? Were you nice to them when they did it? or where you a bit arsey???

Also, has anyone ever noticed, that when the cycle path and the footpath run along side each other, that the people always walk in the cycle path????

quite often the cycle path is the wider smoother of the two....

Teddzzy

Good point, it doesn't really bother me to be honest, becasuse just move over to "their" lane.. Some fella did try and stop me going along side the A52 a few weeks ago, and started having a go about me "tear arsing down the footpath"..... I explained the cycle path and he promptly told me to "F myself"... Not seen him since...

spen666

doog442 wrote:

......they dont issue fixed penalties for murderer,rape etc

......

YET!