SIS go or SIS psp22 ?

pabloweaver

hi folks ,

looking to buy some of the sis product , i used the GO version over the last few years and can honestly say i felt it made a difference ( if nothing else it is more refreshing and drink inducing than plain old tepid water ...you can find the science bit on the website ! )

however....

looking around i can get the PSP22 for £22 for 2700g compared to the GO at £18 for 1.6 kg , now before i get the award for for the no brainer purchase of the year.... what if anything is the difference between the two that warrants such small price difference for a much larger volume of product ?

88g per £1 against 122g per £1

or should i not ask daft questions and just buy it !?!

sub55

cannot stand the stuff get sum maxim instead

morxy

Nutritionally they seem very similar.

100g of PSP22 gives 99g carbs (6g of which is sugars). 80g of Go Electrolyte gives 76g carbs (13g of which is sugars). So they both provide almost 1g of carb per gram of mass. Go Electrolyte's carbs have almost 3 times the amount of sugar, right? So does that mean it will break down more rapidly when digested and have a higher glycemic index? Can anyone clarify?

The obvious difference is that Go has electrolytes - sodium, chloride, calcium, magnesium, potassium. These are the minerals you lose through sweat. Go Electrolyte is therefore better in hot weather. To save money you could buy PSP22 then add a pinch of your own electrolytes separately. Then you've basically got the same as Go Electrolyte, right!?

pabloweaver

so if im right in thinking basic chemisty , a pinch of salt and some baking soda added to the PSP would amount ( almost ) to the same ...

living in Costa del North West England im not anticipating 110 degree heat summer ( thats reverse psychology if the weather gods are listening ..) so maybe im going to be better with the PSP and getting more for my money ?

arnie-77

SIS stuff is OK as a starting point, but I think uses a lot of artificial sweetener, including aspartame... which is not ideal to say the least. I find the flavour pretty artificial tasting too.

I have recently been using Bikefood. Spotted it in CW Health/Fitness, after registering on their website, I got sent an offer for a free trial sachet. Soon after they sent me an email offering a bottle exchange (your old bottles for their new Bikefood bottle) - I cashed in mine and got three new bottles and three sample sachets by return post. Check it out

http://www.mybikefood.com

Great taste, no articial anything and protein so it can be used for recovery too so works out to be good value. Certainly delivers the goods in terms of performance and since I have ordered a number of times. Just one flavour though, but at least its pretty good.. Snazzy packaging too...

I do still use SIS but tend to limit it to Rego Rapide (whey version notthe regular one that has soya). Its OK as long as stick to the choccy one and only after serious mileage, otherwise the Bikefood is working just fine.

NWLondoner

I used to use PSP22 and GO but was worried about the artificial gunk in it.

I now use Torq products for my actual ride but still use SIS Rapid Rego afterwards.

doyler78

NWLondoner wrote:

I used to use PSP22 and GO but was worried about the artificial gunk in it.

I now use Torq products for my actual ride but still use SIS Rapid Rego afterwards.

Was going to try Torq but I could only find little tubs. Do they do any big tubs? I usually get the 2.7kg Tub of PSP22 and Go.

arnie-77

Torq bars are quite simply the best bars on the market, have been meaning to restock my supplies of the ginger one. Trouble is I end up snacking on them!

For me Bikefood wins over the Torq energy drink due to the protein content (glutamine, branch chain aminos) and vits. However Torq do have more tasty flavours and big volume sizes...

arnie-77

Torq have whopping big tubs up to 6kg I think on their website...

doyler78

arnie-77 wrote:

Torq have whopping big tubs up to 6kg I think on their website...

Thanks will check it out.

NWLondoner

arnie-77 wrote:

Torq bars are quite simply the best bars on the market, have been meaning to restock my supplies of the ginger one. Trouble is I end up snacking on them!

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Eww i cannot stand the ginger ones

I LOVE the Banana ones 8)

maddog 2

wiggle have the Torq stuff, as I've just bought some Recovery

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/mc/cycle/7/Torq ... ery_Drink/

as for PSP22 vs Go, I prefer GO myself - better taste and PSP gives me wind!

simon_e

SiS now make certified organic PSP22 and GO. Flavours are apparently not as sweet as the non-organic (no aspartame etc), they use fructose and agave syrup for sweetening.

doyler78

Simon E wrote:

SiS now make certified organic PSP22 and GO. Flavours are apparently not as sweet as the non-organic (no aspartame etc), they use fructose and agave syrup for sweetening.

Seen that but there seems to be few places carrying it yet. Wasn't on Wiggle the other day when I placed my most recent order. Would probably continue with SiS rather moving to Torq if it becomes more widely available and comes in decent sized tubs.

simon_e

Try froogling for PSP22 or you can get it get it direct, but I don't know if any retailers are stocking the new varieties (though it would be a bit short-sighted if they didn't).

doyler78

Simon E wrote:

Try froogling for PSP22 or you can get it get it direct, but I don't know if any retailers are stocking the new varieties (though it would be a bit short-sighted if they didn't).

Thanks though that pricing is ridiculous. £33 for 1.4kg when I can get 2.7kg for less than £21. That's what I call a premium :shock: :shock:

woody-som

I use psp22 or even PSP11 during the spring,autumn and winter months and SIS Go only in the middle of the summer. PSP22 and PSP11 are very similar, but PSP11 is cheaper from wiggle.

arnie-77

Tried the organic SIS products, very different to the regular ones. Made me think why is there a premium to be paid for a healthier more natural drink, surely its the way things should be from the start? and surely they would totally replace the older 'original' versions?

Maybe there is middle ground to be had, ie not organic certified, but not containing nasty sweeteners etc.... oh hold on that would be Torq, right?

The organic range is bit of an odd one from Sweeteners In Supplements...

simon_e

arnie-77 wrote:

Maybe there is middle ground to be had, ie not organic certified, but not containing nasty sweeteners etc.... oh hold on that would be Torq, right?

Perhaps SiS saw their market share drop or maybe they were getting more negative feedback about flavours or the sweeteners. The likes of Torq and High5 have pushed the natural sweetener/crud-free nature of their products quite hard. I see High5 even have an article about why they don't use artificial sweeteners and they go as far as listing competitors' products that contain them.

arnie-77

Interesting but basic High 5 statement, of course they don't list other companies that avoid artificial sweeteners... I think my current stash of Rego Rapide (non organic) my well be my last.

pabloweaver

just ordered the " offer" from bikefood , not a bad price for all the bits and bobs you get so will see how it fares , only thing i would prefer is larger tubs ( only 500g at the moment ) so may give torq a go as well and pay the extra without having to order smaller tubs every couple of weeks and lose the initial saving on postage ...

NWLondoner

you can buy torq direct from torq.

Usually a fast turnaround and NO postage.

doyler78

Is there much difference between SiS Rego Rapide and Recovery as I currently have the Recovery and it does an ok job, nothing outstanding but ok. Better than the Zipfit Recovery drink I sampled.

I've used cadbury's drinking chocolate and maximuscle promax natural and it seems to work quite well. Tried making rice pudding with the maximuscle promax too however it came out a bit weird.

arnie-77

The difference between the two SIS recovery products is one is soya based and the other is whey (or at least part whey) - or so I was told. I had not noticed there were two versions until someone pointed it out to me...

Maximuscle... a bit Top Gun?

sward29

I would recommend High 5 over SIS products based upon taste alone as I can't stand the artificial sweetener they use. High 5 also has some decent research behind it to say that the combination of glucose and fructose can improve performance over glucose polymer only drinks such as PSP-22. Not sure I can say I noticed any difference myself but I certainly drink more of it when riding because I prefer the taste. I also think that they do an electrolyte drink like GO for warm weather but have never used it.

doyler78

You will find pro riders and teams using all these different products therefore I would doubt that any of these products are much better than any other. If something is found to be the zen of nutrition it will quickly find its way into all competitiors products - think caffeine and protein here

arnie-77

But there are key differences in whether the products use artificial or natural sweeteners as well as real life tests such as do they taste any good and more importantly can I digest them and see a substantial performance increase. Just like all other bike kit, all shapes, sizes and types, and even some home made efforts too.

doyler78

arnie-77 wrote:

But there are key differences in whether the products use artificial or natural sweeteners as well as real life tests such as do they taste any good and more importantly can I digest them and see a substantial performance increase. Just like all other bike kit, all shapes, sizes and types, and even some home made efforts too.

But I didn't say that wasn't the case

Mine was argument against people thinking they were getting something fantastic in their formula which just blows the opposition out of the water. I was saying if the pros are using it then you can be sure that there is little benefit of any product over any other products except in the way it works with you which of course is hugely important and we agree totally on that point.