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disgruntledgoat

Anyone hear him shouting "I believe Floyd!" as he rolled off the ramp?

:roll:

miffed

Yeah, the coverage on the official sight is awful. They make no bones about supporting the drug cheats "Floyd won the tour de france before being found guilty', "the crowd welcoming back Floyd", Ivan Basso having a "break"

These guys are cheats. Though legally they have to be allowed to race again doesnt mean they are some sort of prodigal son whose return is a cause for great cellebration.

Why the hell did Floyds team get an invite anyway, I see why Basso is there cause of the might of Liguigas but if Floyd is the reason for that teams invite god help cycle racing.

On another not; Fabien Cancellara you are my hero.

emadden

I didnt hear it...I was too busy shouting at FL to fall off... This is the first year I didnt cover the ToC and one of the reasons is the pure bullshit hype that goes with it in the US, along with the announcer you mention - David Towle - I just couldnt face it this year with all those w*nker drug cheats being celebrated as Gods by the fair weather/ignorant local fans in California...

Google Towle and you will see how myopic some people are...

BTW... Im a major Kimmage fan after the other day

moray_gub

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Anyone hear him shouting "I believe Floyd!" as he rolled off the ramp?

:roll:

Do you think Floyd is a drugs cheat ?

MG

dave_1

emadden wrote:

I didnt hear it...I was too busy shouting at FL to fall off... This is the first year I didnt cover the ToC and one of the reasons is the pure bullshit hype that goes with it in the US, along with the announcer you mention - David Towle - I just couldnt face it this year with all those w*nker drug cheats being celebrated as Gods by the fair weather/ignorant local fans in California...

Google Towle and you will see how myopic some people are...

BTW... Im a major Kimmage fan after the other day

I think we maybe raced together...did the Ras in 1990...anyway, agree wi you, Kimmage is spot on. Still think he should do the odd balancing story report on the race with less doping, but overall..he is right...thought his retort to Lance on the patent on cancer was brilliant

disgruntledgoat

Moray Gub wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Anyone hear him shouting "I believe Floyd!" as he rolled off the ramp?

:roll:

Do you think Floyd is a drugs cheat ?

MG

Yes i believe that Landis was caught by an accredited testing system whose jurisdiction he accepted at every point up until it caught him, then spent two years whining and twisting in the wind and doing anything he possibly could to get away from admitting it.

Oh no... you trapped me in your clever web, i said I believe!

micron

Enjoyed watching bike racing but did so without the sound - these 'prodigal sons' may be the 'fatted calfs' of American cycling but I don't have ti listen to the PR BS.

Madden & Goat, excellent points , well made - as for Towle, what a d*ckhead. A lot of mistaking misguided enthusiasm and a 'funny' turn of phrase for knowledgeable race calling

Nice to see Cancellara in full flow though

dave_1

micron wrote:

Enjoyed watching bike racing but did so without the sound - these 'prodigal sons' may be the 'fatted calfs' of American cycling but I don't have ti listen to the PR BS.

Madden & Goat, excellent points , well made - as for Towle, what a d*ckhead. A lot of mistaking misguided enthusiasm and a 'funny' turn of phrase for knowledgeable race calling

Nice to see Cancellara in full flow though

cause Cancellera is clean eh...Cecchini was coach...what's wrong with guilt by association ? You use it often enough with LA

andyp

Dave_1 - stop being a tw@t. Where did micron suggest that Cancellara was clean? You've put words into his mouth to fit your point.

dave_1

andyp wrote:

Dave_1 - stop being a tw@t. Where did micron suggest that Cancellara was clean? You've put words into his mouth to fit your point.

well, he said good to cancellera there, clearly he doesn't mind cancellera's history...which is cecchini, u tw@t

moray_gub

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Anyone hear him shouting "I believe Floyd!" as he rolled off the ramp?

:roll:

Do you think Floyd is a drugs cheat ?

MG

Yes i believe that Landis was caught by an accredited testing system whose jurisdiction he accepted at every point up until it caught him, then spent two years whining and twisting in the wind and doing anything he possibly could to get away from admitting it.

Oh no... you trapped me in your clever web, i said I believe!

I was just wondering if you felt there was any difference between him and the man for whom you wore a jesrsey in rememberance of yesterday ? Both seemed to spend a lot of time in denial after all. Or is like a lot of things in here one rule for some and another rule for others ?

MG

andyp

Dave_1 wrote:

well, he said good to cancellera there, clearly he doesn't mind cancellera's history...which is cecchini, u tw@t

You do realise that watching and enjoying cycle racing and wanting to rid the sport of systematic drug abuse are not mutually exclusive don't you?

dave_1

andyp wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

well, he said good to cancellera there, clearly he doesn't mind cancellera's history...which is cecchini, u tw@t

You do realise that watching and enjoying cycle racing and wanting to rid the sport of systematic drug abuse are not mutually exclusive don't you?

yes, and people have the right to their opinions...as you do...and I would prefer a grown up discussion, not you flying in with twat, bullshit, shite and other such whenever I say something you don't agree with...let's keep it civilised from now on eh...

andyp

Dave_1 wrote:

yes, and people have the right to their opinions...as you do...and I would prefer a grown up discussion, not you flying in with fool, bullshit, shite and other such whenever I say something you don't agree with...let's keep it civilised from now on eh...

Oh the irony. :roll:

disgruntledgoat

Moray Gub wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Anyone hear him shouting "I believe Floyd!" as he rolled off the ramp?

:roll:

Do you think Floyd is a drugs cheat ?

MG

Yes i believe that Landis was caught by an accredited testing system whose jurisdiction he accepted at every point up until it caught him, then spent two years whining and twisting in the wind and doing anything he possibly could to get away from admitting it.

Oh no... you trapped me in your clever web, i said I believe!

I was just wondering if you felt there was any difference between him and the man for whom you wore a jesrsey in rememberance of yesterday ? Both seemed to spend a lot of time in denial after all. Or is like a lot of things in here one rule for some and another rule for others ?

MG

Nope, no difference at all. Oh, other than, unless i've missed something on velonews, Landis didn't go mad and die a lonely drug addled death that you wouldn't wish on anyone.

Nor did pantani engage in witness intimidation.

moray_gub

disgruntledgoat wrote:

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Nope, no difference at all. Oh, other than, unless i've missed something on velonews, Landis didn't go mad and die a lonely drug addled death that you wouldn't wish on anyone.

Nor did he engage in witness intimidation.

I admire your honesty because its quite clear in here that for some Pantani takes on sone kind of demi god status, yet the same posters spend alot of time condeming Lance,Basso Floyd etc.


MG

dave_1

andyp wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

yes, and people have the right to their opinions...as you do...and I would prefer a grown up discussion, not you flying in with fool, bullshit, shite and other such whenever I say something you don't agree with...let's keep it civilised from now on eh...

Oh the irony. :roll:

your are the one who throws the insults Andy...other day logged onto to see you think my views are bullshit, previously similar by you and now another....I reply...asked you not to insult and so will ask again...4 1/2 years of posting weekly on same threads and you prefer to throw the insults...pls keep it civilised..

disgruntledgoat

Moray Gub wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

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Nope, no difference at all. Oh, other than, unless i've missed something on velonews, Landis didn't go mad and die a lonely drug addled death that you wouldn't wish on anyone.

Nor did he engage in witness intimidation.

I admire your honesty because its quite clear in here that for some Pantani takes on sone kind of demi god status, yet the same posters spend alot of time condeming Lance,Basso Floyd etc.


MG

One of my favourite riders to watch no doubt, and the way his humanity and vulnerability shone through in his style was something special... But you're right, he cheated, Landis cheated and a whole rook of other s cheated too. The only thing that marks pantani out was how quick his descent was and the way it ended up. And that's something I wish more people would bear in mind when pillioring athletes who cheat. They're human beings first.

micron

My only problem with this 'they mad a mistake' approach is that these 'mistakes' aren't some kind of one offs but systematic beahviour that is planned and executed over a period of time and takes the collusion of others to effect. And for me there are no exclusions to that - Jimenez, Pantani or any others.

Nobody forces a doper to take that first injection - there are forces and circumstances that may contribute to the decision but only an individual can take that decision, which was made Virenque's disclaimer so laughable.

Gazzetta67

Biggest laugh was Brian Smith on Eurosport last night ( What has he ever done in cycling ) a 2 bit presenter - when he said - oh this doesnt sit right with me watching Tyler Hamilton - oh then one of his Pal - yes Big lance as he`s always keen to tell us. lance`s ex-team mate Floyd landis rolls down the ramp. - why NO mention of his antics Brian - oh yes your buddy lance would not like it if you mentioned any of all his ex team mates that stole sweets from the jar. go back to cycling tv thats your level

avalon

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Biggest laugh was Brian Smith on Eurosport last night ( What has he ever done in cycling ) a 2 bit presenter - when he said - oh this doesnt sit right with me watching Tyler Hamilton - oh then one of his Pal - yes Big lance as he`s always keen to tell us. lance`s ex-team mate Floyd landis rolls down the ramp. - why NO mention of his antics Brian - oh yes your buddy lance would not like it if you mentioned any of all his ex team mates that stole sweets from the jar. go back to cycling tv thats your level

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emadden

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Biggest laugh was Brian Smith on Eurosport last night ( What has he ever done in cycling ) a 2 b

disgruntledgoat

"i didn't do any of the stuff he did"

Like ride 2 Tours and a Giro for example...

Are people seriously still shooting the messenger over Paul Kimmage?

cougie

I much prefer Harmons views to Smiths. Smith was mates with these dodgy riders - so no wonder his views are skewed in comparison to the average fan in the street.

I cant stand to see Landis and Hamilton back with their 'we never did anything wrong' stance. At least the TOC is very aptly sponsored I suppose.

DavMartinR

I watched the stage last night on an arab tv channel that broadcast the with english Commentary from Phil & Paul.

Bob Roll interviewed Landis and they went back to Phil who can out with " That's the great Floyd Landis there who has just come back from a ban for ALLEGEDLY doping"???
LOL

So Landis was only alledgedly convicted???

disgruntledgoat

DavMartinR wrote:

I watched the stage last night on an arab tv channel that broadcast the with english Commentary from Phil & Paul.

Bob Roll interviewed Landis and they went back to Phil who can out with " That's the great Floyd Landis there who has just come back from a ban for ALLEGEDLY doping"???
LOL

So Landis was only alledgedly convicted???

Evidently. Although at the time Phil did say he thought it was a stitch up because Floyd's parents are simple mennonite folk so he just wouldn't do something like that.

BrianS

Thanks guys...

Chechu fan site....

"Brian is well-connected and knows a thing or two about bike racing. And he's not afraid to give his opinion. His verdict on Lance's return was mixed. Great for publicity, great for cancer. But in a race which saw the return of a few old aristocrats, he'd rather move forward and focus on new talent and new ethics."

timoid.

BrianS wrote:

Thanks guys...

Chechu fan site....

"Brian is well-connected and knows a thing or two about bike racing. And he's not afraid to give his opinion. His verdict on Lance's return was mixed. Great for publicity, great for cancer. But in a race which saw the return of a few old aristocrats, he'd rather move forward and focus on new talent and new ethics."

So why be positive about Landis and slate Hamilton? Both are equally guilty.

Kléber

Well done Brian for wading in.

For those who don't know he was double British road race champion and raced abroad on the continent in a time when most British pros were content to ride for tiny domestic teams and get their mums to do their washing for them.

As for "what has he done on the bike", it doesn't even matter. Many good sports commentators didn't excel in their sports, they need to be good analysts first. But a good reporter has a detachment, an ability to put aside friendships and connections so they can report the facts ahead of their opinions...

disgruntledgoat

Not disrespecting Brian's achievements on the bike at all. Have full respect for that. I just think that criticising Kimmage as a doped, bitter loser rather misses the point of his journalism.

BrianS

Timoid. wrote:

BrianS wrote:

Thanks guys...

Chechu fan site....

"Brian is well-connected and knows a thing or two about bike racing. And he's not afraid to give his opinion. His verdict on Lance's return was mixed. Great for publicity, great for cancer. But in a race which saw the return of a few old aristocrats, he'd rather move forward and focus on new talent and new ethics."

So why be positive about Landis and slate Hamilton? Both are equally guilty.

I do not disagree. I was not aware i was positive about Landis. I felt sorry for him being in this situation in his home tour. Cycling needs to move on. Out with the old and in with the new.