Lance and his teammates nearly get hit by an idiot driver
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....and because is spelt this way, before you start!
Pictures are better than words because some words are big and hard to understand.
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When reading the details of the incident,Levi Leipheimer said that any drivers would only have been delayed 10 minutes on their journey.
To be delayed on your journey,behind a group of pro's out training by 10 minutes,must equate to having to sit behind the group for a good 20 to 25 mins,at the speed they will have been going at.
People in this country won't even wait for a funeral courtage on it's way to the cemetary so if you rode (pro's or not) as a group for 25mins without letting any motorists pass,what response do you really think you would get? :shock:so many cols,so little time!0 -
nick hanson wrote:When reading the details of the incident,Levi Leipheimer said that any drivers would only have been delayed 10 minutes on their journey.
To be delayed on your journey,behind a group of pro's out training by 10 minutes,must equate to having to sit behind the group for a good 20 to 25 mins,at the speed they will have been going at.
People in this country won't even wait for a funeral courtage on it's way to the cemetary so if you rode (pro's or not) as a group for 25mins without letting any motorists pass,what response do you really think you would get? :shock:
Oh ok, fair enough then! :roll:
Not sure of your point here fella, are you suggesting that the guys response at being held up was proportionate or that the same thing would happen over here and therefore we should expect to be harassed off the roads? I'm sure that's not what you mean, is it? I mean as cyclists we all cause motorists to be delayed at some point, does that mean we shouldn't be allowed road space? In the same way as some old bid in a micra driving at 20mph in a 40 zone shouldn't be allowed on the road (a much more valid point if you ask me).
Who's in so much of a hurry that they respond in this way when delayed? The guy was completely out of order and, in the end, the only thing that suffered was his blood pressure.Pictures are better than words because some words are big and hard to understand.
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I think the issue is that in America - the land of the automobile - the car is the king, and owns the road. Even cyclists themselves seem to accept they are second-class on the road.
Over here we have a mostly more old fashioned approach, and so bikes, horses etc are better tolerated. That said, it is going more the way of the States over here, car drivers becoming more proprietorial of the roads and anyone who slows them down is in the wrong. But still as a cyclist, I firmly believe my right to use the road is as valid as any car driver.
Does Websters Dictionary encourage the dropping of 'u' from favourite?Complicating matters since 19650 -
Stay with me,I've been out to the pub for some refreshment.Roughly, I agree with this post,but what I was trying to say was,If you willfully held up traffiic for the best part of half an hour,don't you think they'd be a bit pi**ed,& try to run you off the road ?DaSy wrote:I think the issue is that in America - the land of the automobile - the car is the king, and owns the road. Even cyclists themselves seem to accept they are second-class on the road.
Over here we have a mostly more old fashioned approach, and so bikes, horses etc are better tolerated. That said, it is going more the way of the States over here, car drivers becoming more proprietorial of the roads and anyone who slows them down is in the wrong. But still as a cyclist, I firmly believe my right to use the road is as valid as any car driver.
Does Websters Dictionary encourage the dropping of 'u' from favourite?
Legally correct or not,if you are honest with yourself,you could understand this sort of reaction? (& no,I'm NOT a Lance hater)so many cols,so little time!0 -
nick hanson wrote:Stay with me,I've been out to the pub for some refreshment.Roughly, I agree with this post,but what I was trying to say was,If you willfully held up traffiic for the best part of half an hour,don't you think they'd be a bit pi**ed,& try to run you off the road ?
Legally correct or not,if you are honest with yourself,you could understand this sort of reaction? (& no,I'm NOT a Lance hater)
Well, put it another way. I'm out on a motorbike, quite capable of doing a reasonable speed and close to the speed limit, and trying to get somewhere in a reasonable time. I then come up behind a tourist/towed caravan/tractor/sunday driver/motorist wearing hat, and then spend the next half hour being stuck behind said vehicle and being unable to overtake, what with other traffic and poor sightlines on roads.
Using the argument that some people have their lives to get on with, the said slowpoke should have pulled over at the first available opportunity and let me, the faster road user, past?
If there is a long line of traffic stuck behind said bozo, should I also expect them to pull over and let me past as well?
Should I have the reasonable expectation that slow drivers will be prosecuted for holding up the traffic?'Twas Mulga Bill, from Eaglehawk, that caught the cycling craze....0 -
chuckcork wrote:nick hanson wrote:Stay with me,I've been out to the pub for some refreshment.Roughly, I agree with this post,but what I was trying to say was,If you willfully held up traffiic for the best part of half an hour,don't you think they'd be a bit pi**ed,& try to run you off the road ?
Legally correct or not,if you are honest with yourself,you could understand this sort of reaction? (& no,I'm NOT a Lance hater)
Well, put it another way. I'm out on a motorbike, quite capable of doing a reasonable speed and close to the speed limit, and trying to get somewhere in a reasonable time. I then come up behind a tourist/towed caravan/tractor/sunday driver/motorist wearing hat, and then spend the next half hour being stuck behind said vehicle and being unable to overtake, what with other traffic and poor sightlines on roads.
Using the argument that some people have their lives to get on with, the said slowpoke should have pulled over at the first available opportunity and let me, the faster road user, past?
If there is a long line of traffic stuck behind said bozo, should I also expect them to pull over and let me past as well?
Should I have the reasonable expectation that slow drivers will be prosecuted for holding up the traffic?
Amen brother! +1Pictures are better than words because some words are big and hard to understand.
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robbarker wrote:brucey72 wrote:
It seems that even the great Lance is not immune from idiot drivers.
Perhaps the guy was on drugs?
Stop it! Pictures are better than words because some words are big and hard to understand.
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nick hanson wrote:Stay with me,I've been out to the pub for some refreshment.Roughly, I agree with this post,but what I was trying to say was,If you willfully held up traffiic for the best part of half an hour,don't you think they'd be a bit pi**ed,& try to run you off the road ?
Legally correct or not,if you are honest with yourself,you could understand this sort of reaction? (& no,I'm NOT a Lance hater)
No, you are pi**ed, it's you who has been to the pub
If you're seriously suggesting that a driver who is held-up has the right to be pi**ed-off and as a result should be allowed to run you off the road, Gawd help us all :evil:0 -
chuckcork wrote:Using the argument that some people have their lives to get on with, the said slowpoke should have pulled over at the first available opportunity and let me, the faster road user, past?
Am I just making it up or remembering it wrongly, but isn't there something in the Highway Code about drivers of slow-moving vehicles allowing other faster traffic past when it's clear and safe to do so, e.g. a caravan or tractor pulling into a layby and allowing other traffic by ?
It certainly used to be considered courteous good driving to do so when I learnt, 30 years ago...
From my perspective on a bike now though, if I'm on a twisty country lane and it's not wide enough to pass safely, if it's a blind bend coming up, etc then I actively try to get into Primary and discourage someone from passing me, rather than have them squeeze by where there isn't room, or pass me on the wrong side on a blind bend and then come facetoface with an oncoming vehicle.
But having done that, if on rounding the corner I can now see it's clear and safe, I'll pull in to the left and wave the driver by.0 -
andy_wrx wrote:chuckcork wrote:Using the argument that some people have their lives to get on with, the said slowpoke should have pulled over at the first available opportunity and let me, the faster road user, past?
Am I just making it up or remembering it wrongly, but isn't there something in the Highway Code about drivers of slow-moving vehicles allowing other faster traffic past when it's clear and safe to do so, e.g. a caravan or tractor pulling into a layby and allowing other traffic by ?
It certainly used to be considered courteous good driving to do so when I learnt, 30 years ago...
From my perspective on a bike now though, if I'm on a twisty country lane and it's not wide enough to pass safely, if it's a blind bend coming up, etc then I actively try to get into Primary and discourage someone from passing me, rather than have them squeeze by where there isn't room, or pass me on the wrong side on a blind bend and then come facetoface with an oncoming vehicle.
But having done that, if on rounding the corner I can now see it's clear and safe, I'll pull in to the left and wave the driver by.
Yep, I do try and do that too, both the maintaining of road position when its not safe to be overtaken, and pulling in when I believe I should to let traffic past, assuming tehre is a safe enough spot. And dare I say it but, out on the bike yesterday in the Surrey Hills, and on the way there and back again in rush hour/school run traffic to/from Surbiton, not a single bad overtaking incident at all, even had a few vehicles wait for to go past on some stretches where it wasn't safe to overtake?
Woz it because I looked like I should be there or something?
Whats going on here? I thought English motorists were all meant to be homicidal? This getting respect from motorists on the road is making me confused, everyone gave me plenty of room! (Probably just as well seeing as I ended up on the A3 at one point) :?'Twas Mulga Bill, from Eaglehawk, that caught the cycling craze....0 -
Anybody else give drivers marks out of ten for overtaking?
No???
Me either :oops:Pictures are better than words because some words are big and hard to understand.
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chuckcork wrote:Robmanic1 wrote:Anybody else give drivers marks out of ten for overtaking?
No???
Me either :oops:
No, but if they are politely waiting for me I give a thank you wave.
Ah, but I didn't mean actually awarding points, like holding up score cards, just in my head, to myself, although come to think of it........Pictures are better than words because some words are big and hard to understand.
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No,I've never suggested that anyone has the right to run anyone off the road.To hold someone up for that length of time,as Leipheimer admitted to,is more than bad manners,& surely you can see that MOST people would be thoroughly unhappy?andy_wrx wrote:nick hanson wrote:Stay with me,I've been out to the pub for some refreshment.Roughly, I agree with this post,but what I was trying to say was,If you willfully held up traffiic for the best part of half an hour,don't you think they'd be a bit pi**ed,& try to run you off the road ?
Legally correct or not,if you are honest with yourself,you could understand this sort of reaction? (& no,I'm NOT a Lance hater)
No, you are pi**ed, it's you who has been to the pub
If you're seriously suggesting that a driver who is held-up has the right to be pi**ed-off and as a result should be allowed to run you off the road, Gawd help us all :evil:
If you say not,I think you are not being entirely truthfullso many cols,so little time!0 -
Grade 'A' Numpty wrote:Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway
Does this mean that we have priority when we are mving faster that cars. Must they "Drive as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway"?
I love the general public. They are intelligent and worth listening to. :roll:0 -
BenBlyth wrote:Grade 'A' Numpty wrote:Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway
Does this mean that we have priority when we are mving faster that cars. Must they "Drive as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway"?
I love the general public. They are intelligent and worth listening to. :roll:
What it means that you are allowed to overtake the motorist who just overtook you in the same manner as you were overtaken.
So, if they overtook with only an inch to spare, and no concern for your safety, well if you go to overtake them with only an inch to spare and no concern for their safety, or their vehicle, then if you run into them, like, what the problem with taking out their wing mirror?
They obviously didn't have a problem with the concept of hitting you, did they?'Twas Mulga Bill, from Eaglehawk, that caught the cycling craze....0 -
The right-hand curb...............Now,that really would be worrying :shock:BenBlyth wrote:Grade 'A' Numpty wrote:Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway
Does this mean that we have priority when we are mving faster that cars. Must they "Drive as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway"?
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In Britain, we would refer to it as the left-hand kerb...0
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nick hanson wrote:
The right-hand curb...............Now,that really would be worrying :shock:BenBlyth wrote:Grade 'A' Numpty wrote:Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway
Does this mean that we have priority when we are mving faster that cars. Must they "Drive as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway"?
I love the general public. They are intelligent and worth listening to. :roll:
Good luck trying to overtake a car at a fast speed on the road without it swerving or doing something aggresive at you e.g. speeding up and overtaking you.
I must admit that would be great if cars were that kinda when we overtake them...0 -
I can just see all the americans sitting at their pc reading that article getting really mad as they couldn't fit on a road bike. There are too many backwards folks out there.0
