Campag Rocks and Shimano sucks

Bassjunkieuk

JA - Yes it is an unfortunate world we live in where everyone is assumed to be running the same OS..........it took ages to convince the beeb to provide a iPlayer client for Linux!
For my sins I have to use windows on my works laptop.......

roger_merriman

Bassjunkieuk wrote:

JA - Yes it is an unfortunate world we live in where everyone is assumed to be running the same OS..........it took ages to convince the beeb to provide a iPlayer client for Linux!
For my sins I have to use windows on my works laptop.......

becoming less of a issue though, any way Vi or emacs....;-)

il_principe

flattythehurdler wrote:

Riiiiight, let's wade in. New Dura ace is 1. Lighter, 2. Cheaper, 3. Classier and 4, More reliable than the cheap italian plastic crap.

Shimano is the plastic one, Campag is all lovely carbon.

flattythehurdler wrote:

Let's face it, the Italians don't exactly have a reputation for engineering longevity/reliability in the transport world, whatever their aesthetic merits.

Really - what about Ferrari, Riva, the Pendolino, Ducati and erm Campagnolo?

flattythehurdler wrote:

11 speed is a scam for gullible fashion lemmings, and making the new chain require a unique and very expensive chain tool means they must have a huge wide window at the campag factory to see you all coming.

Erm if people can afford it let em have it. I think it's a fantastic piece of engineering. Can't afford it though!

Bassjunkieuk

roger merriman wrote:

Bassjunkieuk wrote:

JA - Yes it is an unfortunate world we live in where everyone is assumed to be running the same OS..........it took ages to convince the beeb to provide a iPlayer client for Linux!
For my sins I have to use windows on my works laptop.......

becoming less of a issue though, any way Vi or emacs....;-)

I'm trying to learn Vi but I'm normally just lazy and use nano ;-)

antfly

I use only shimano,wear a helmet and jump red lights so I suppose that makes me a stereotype but at least I`m not a campaq/mac using southern ponce.

flattythehurdler

jashburnham wrote:

flattythehurdler wrote:

Riiiiight, let's wade in. New Dura ace is 1. Lighter, 2. Cheaper, 3. Classier and 4, More reliable than the cheap italian plastic crap.

Shimano is the plastic one, Campag is all lovely carbon.

flattythehurdler wrote:

Let's face it, the Italians don't exactly have a reputation for engineering longevity/reliability in the transport world, whatever their aesthetic merits.

Really - what about Ferrari, Riva, the Pendolino, Ducati and erm Campagnolo?

flattythehurdler wrote:

11 speed is a scam for gullible fashion lemmings, and making the new chain require a unique and very expensive chain tool means they must have a huge wide window at the campag factory to see you all coming.

Erm if people can afford it let em have it. I think it's a fantastic piece of engineering. Can't afford it though!

New DA has carbon in all the right places.
Ferrari and riva renkowned for reliability????? and alfa romeo????
Agree on point 3, but why? How many blades will be in a gillette razor by the time we shuffle off this mortal coil? (Shimano is also fantastically engineered btw)

don_don

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blah regedit blah blah batch file blah blah blah blah........

Right, I'm off :roll:

mrushton

flattythehurdler wrote:

Riiiiight, let's wade in. New Dura ace is 1. Lighter, 2. Cheaper, 3. Classier and 4, More reliable than the cheap italian plastic crap. Let's face it, the Italians don't exactly have a reputation for engineering longevity/reliability in the transport world, whatever their aesthetic merits.
11 speed is a scam for gullible fashion lemmings, and making the new chain require a unique and very expensive chain tool means they must have a huge wide window at the campag factory to see you all coming.

who gives a S**t

It's a gear changing system on a bike. if I rode a bike for a living, I'd use whatever they give me. If you want to buy me a groupset,have it fitted to one of my bikes and maintain it, I'll use that. Campag are a business just like Shimano and if they can upgrade/alter the brand to generate sales that's the nature of business. I'll presume you have a recently modern computer/mobile phone/bike/car/cooker etc so it's the same with groupsets. I pay to have Campag 10 speed. I don't need 11 speed so I won't change. I've used DA quite happily but my money goes on Campag.

flattythehurdler

Well enough people give a sh1t to post at length throughout the internet, enough to make the majority of this debate tongue in cheek. It's obviously been lost on you. :roll:

mrushton

Ah, sarcasm. A fine use of the bandwith and generally regarded as a low form of wit

don key

The head line brings me back to nature, Shamrocks

Sarcasm is accused by they who cant do or deal with it. It can and is be very funny.

whyamihere

itboffin wrote:

whyamihere wrote:

itboffin wrote:

I'm going to put campag ergo shifters on my otherwise full shimano cross bike

Is that wrong?

I have Ergos on my otherwise fully Shimano (except the Veloce brakes) commuter...

Did you need to use any shifter adapters?

No, but it's not quite entirely simple. Camapgnolo 10 speed Ergos, such as my lovely Veloce Ultrashifts, index perfectly with an 8 speed Shimano setup. As a result, I'm running 10 speed Ergos, a Tiagra rear mech and an 8 speed cassette. Front mechs will basically all work together, but I'm running a Veloce I had lying around (another thing I've remembered as a departure from the full Shimano).

In relation to the later discussion, emacs is just wrong. Don't do it. I use nano generally.

biondino

Bassjunkieuk wrote:

roger merriman wrote:

ah but VM's are cool can run xp win 7 (it's attaully windows 6...) linux, solaris etc...

VM's are neat for tryign OS's out, I specced out a near perfect PC for just the task on PC Specialist earlier - quad core CPU, 8Gb ram (the most they offered) and 1.25Tb hard disk space (I could have gone upto 4TB but I think that might be overkill.....like I'd need to run 4 copies of vista at the same time!) and it all came out at less then £600!

Anyhow what was the topic again?

Oooh, you sound like just the kind of chap I should ask about what laptop I should get for under a grand (has to have a big hard disk and a 16"+screen and be as near as you can get to futureproof. Oh, and no Macs, no-one writes programs for them ). Any thoughts?

Ta!

il_principe

biondino wrote:

Bassjunkieuk wrote:

roger merriman wrote:

ah but VM's are cool can run xp win 7 (it's attaully windows 6...) linux, solaris etc...

VM's are neat for tryign OS's out, I specced out a near perfect PC for just the task on PC Specialist earlier - quad core CPU, 8Gb ram (the most they offered) and 1.25Tb hard disk space (I could have gone upto 4TB but I think that might be overkill.....like I'd need to run 4 copies of vista at the same time!) and it all came out at less then £600!

Anyhow what was the topic again?

Oooh, you sound like just the kind of chap I should ask about what laptop I should get for under a grand (has to have a big hard disk and a 16"+screen and be as near as you can get to futureproof. Oh, and no Macs, no-one writes programs for them ). Any thoughts?

Ta!

Actually loads of peeps write programmes for macs, plus Leopard comes with a little programme called bootcamp so you can run windows and Mac Leopard on the same computer.

linsen

biondino wrote:

Bassjunkieuk wrote:

roger merriman wrote:

ah but VM's are cool can run xp win 7 (it's attaully windows 6...) linux, solaris etc...

VM's are neat for tryign OS's out, I specced out a near perfect PC for just the task on PC Specialist earlier - quad core CPU, 8Gb ram (the most they offered) and 1.25Tb hard disk space (I could have gone upto 4TB but I think that might be overkill.....like I'd need to run 4 copies of vista at the same time!) and it all came out at less then £600!

Anyhow what was the topic again?

Oooh, you sound like just the kind of chap I should ask about what laptop I should get for under a grand (has to have a big hard disk and a 16"+screen and be as near as you can get to futureproof. Oh, and no Macs, no-one writes programs for them ). Any thoughts?

Ta!

Mine is good and I thik cost £579
It's a Dell Latitude E5500, not sure how big the screen is

Bassjunkieuk

@BD - As Linsen has suggested have a look at Dell. Just had a quick peek myself and the top of the line Studio 17 seems about as "futureproof" as you'll get at the moment - huge hard disk, loads of ram and a blu-ray drive!

All for £799

http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/produ ... lthp&s=dhs

Even comes with a 2 year In-Home warranty and you can choose the colour, so the inner-tart can colour co-ordinate with you bag or bike.........

So ends the sales advice!

itboffin

whyamihere wrote:

itboffin wrote:

whyamihere wrote:

itboffin wrote:

I'm going to put campag ergo shifters on my otherwise full shimano cross bike

Is that wrong?

I have Ergos on my otherwise fully Shimano (except the Veloce brakes) commuter...

Did you need to use any shifter adapters?

No, but it's not quite entirely simple. Camapgnolo 10 speed Ergos, such as my lovely Veloce Ultrashifts, index perfectly with an 8 speed Shimano setup. As a result, I'm running 10 speed Ergos, a Tiagra rear mech and an 8 speed cassette. Front mechs will basically all work together, but I'm running a Veloce I had lying around (another thing I've remembered as a departure from the full Shimano).

In relation to the later discussion, emacs is just wrong. Don't do it. I use nano generally.

Yes i'd read that the pull ratios were the same for that combination, however I'm planning on a straight 10 speed setup so will need the shifter adapter, if it doesn't work i'm going to blame <insert random SCR person>

Would it be wrong for me to post my tcpdump of this thread

itboffin

biondino wrote:

Bassjunkieuk wrote:

roger merriman wrote:

ah but VM's are cool can run xp win 7 (it's attaully windows 6...) linux, solaris etc...

VM's are neat for tryign OS's out, I specced out a near perfect PC for just the task on PC Specialist earlier - quad core CPU, 8Gb ram (the most they offered) and 1.25Tb hard disk space (I could have gone upto 4TB but I think that might be overkill.....like I'd need to run 4 copies of vista at the same time!) and it all came out at less then £600!

Anyhow what was the topic again?

Oooh, you sound like just the kind of chap I should ask about what laptop I should get for under a grand (has to have a big hard disk and a 16"+screen and be as near as you can get to futureproof. Oh, and no Macs, no-one writes programs for them ). Any thoughts?

Ta!

Only if his advice comes with 24 months onsite warranty :P

iain_j

While you're on the subject of laptops (ie. I don't feel so guilty about going wildly off-topic :P ) are Dell Inspiron's any good? I'd mostly use it for internetting/photo editing/downloading music etc. Been looking at the 1525 for about 500 quid.

itboffin

iain_j wrote:

While you're on the subject of laptops (ie. I don't feel so guilty about going wildly off-topic :P ) are Dell Inspiron's any good? I'd mostly use it for internetting/photo editing/downloading music etc. Been looking at the 1525 for about 500 quid.

For your basic Internet porn they will be fine

You secrets safe with us

iain_j

Damn