Le grand cycle lane
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Apologies for posting something from the Standard, but apparently UK and French local councils are getting together to plan a London-Paris cycle lane (apart from the Channel of course)
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23612149-details/Le+grand+cycle+lane%3A+218+miles+from+Paris+to+London/article.do
Bit worried by the Croydon bit though, a lot of the French cyclists might turn back there before getting to London
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23612149-details/Le+grand+cycle+lane%3A+218+miles+from+Paris+to+London/article.do
Bit worried by the Croydon bit though, a lot of the French cyclists might turn back there before getting to London
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I think he can be a bit of a buffoon but I like Boris Johnson, he makes me laugh.... (I didn't vote for him or Ken though).
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Note he's got nothing to do with this, the Standard have just put his picture on the story to "donut" him. Makes me retch.
I rode something close to the proposed route with a few fiends last summer. We didn't follow the UK side of the route as it's awful, we took something close to the L2B route instead.
On the french side, I'm not sure if they are planning to make the whole route cycles-only, but I does not really matter as riding on the roads in france is a real joy.
Not sure what the term "donut" means but the Bog Standard, as I like to refer to it (and I mean that in both senses of the word "bog") is an awful rag. It bigged up Boris as part of its anti-Livingstone agenda prior to the elections and has been an apologist for Boris ever since. Boris, it appears, can do no wrong and is worthy of credit for everything whether he is involved or not. So much for a Fourth Estate and free press
I like the idea of a London to Paris car free route. If I work really hard now, I may just be fit ienough by 2012 to cycle it
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That's fair enough , but it doesn't make it any more palatable.
Boris despite advertising himself as pro cycling has actually donw more to harm it than anybody I've known, despite all the bigging up it about bikes it appears he's a public transport hating pro car tory.
Donuting is putting someboy's face next to something positive in the hope that a bit of shine will rub off. even though they've nothing to do with the focus of the piece.
If the press only posted what you thought palatable, then where is the freedom?
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How has he harmed cycling?
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A free press conforming to the fourth estate model would provide balanced reporting - while accepting that all reporting is subjective and framed by the pre-concieved ideas of the author and proprietor. The fact is that the standard has monopoly on London wide news and uses it to promote its own causes and then to defend those it pushes into power without providing the public with any meaningful or balanced facts upon which it (the public) can make its own judgements.
Exactly what i thought
I was discussing this with my Uncle, he said that they had a trial run (his job, demands that I believe him) and said that during that time there were no increase in accidents.
Is there any proof that there has been an increase in accidents?
I don't see the reduction of the congestion charge zone and price as a bad thing. But then I'm not clear on what Boris did. If he reduced the cost or stopped an increase in price and or if he stopped the congestion zone from covering more of London then I applaud that action. Increasing the Congestion Zone almost amounts to the road pricing suggestion that arose recently.
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I don't think increasing the cost and coverage area of the congestion zone (further than what it extends to now) would reduce the amount of road users. These type of mechanisms have a maximum impact area anything beyond that and it looses impact.
I want more people to cycle but bullying them out of their cars or charging them extortionate prices isn't going to help.
As for motorcycles in the bus lane, theres a huge bus lane on the A23 strecth from Croydon to Brixton. As much as I didn't like motorcycles in the bus lane I didn't actually have any problems with them. I just didn't like it.
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
The government, BJ included, needs to look towards carrots rather than sticks - rewarding 'good' behaviour, cycling for example, rather than penalising drivers. Much as some on here disagree, there are some people who need to drive.
I think Biondino is right about the perceived negative of bikes in bus lanes - I perceive it as a negative and I'm quite an experienced cyclist (I like to think) so god knows how someone new to cycling would see it.
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F*CK ME! I nearly fell off my chair!
That's the first time you've agreed with me on anything, ever.
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A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
Oi! I think I agreed with you once before....
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I just can't see it.
A bus lane isn't a haven of safety from road vehicles.
If you're a new cyclist and are about to commute psychologically your prepared to ride in the road alongside cars etc.
Edit: In any case despite the many miles of bus lanes in London I'd argue that most cyclist spend a large portion of their commute on main roads that don't have bus lanes where the motorcycle in bus lane debate is void....
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
Compared to a bus-driver, running behind schedule and nursing the pent-up, nigh on psychotic, rage that comes from suffering in the city traffic hour after hour your average Hell's Angel is a kitten loving, granny hugging softy.
What would bother me is little chav muppets or delivery drivers or moped couriers who only have a CBT to their name and treat london like a game of mariokart ducking and diving in and out of traffic with scant regard for those around them. All the (minor) incidents I've had with bikes have been the CBT types.
I feel that bus lanes are a bit of a safe haven from cars, especially on my commute where there are precious few buses in them, and would rather there were not the CBT-mopeds in them.
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Yes there does seem to be an inverse relationship between the size of the bike and the competance of the rider. Although trainee cabbies in their little mopeds are ok
I'm actually more nervous about 900cc motorbikes thinking a 300 yard stretch of bus lane is a good place to get up to 80mph and me being in the way when they realise it isn't...
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That would be an ace new SCR game
(I've been up late the last few nights playing it
As Biondio said, motor cycles in bus lanes, scrapping of congestion charge.
And to add cancellation of £25 gas guzzler charge, scrapping of funding for the London Cycle network, his pre election insistance that "bendy buses killed many cyclists each year" (when they don't), phasing out of bendy buses to be replaced by a third more vehicles, planned introduction of new opened backed bus, cancellation of gyratory calming schemes
And he's a red light jumper too.
Again, fair enough, but to do it in such a sycophantic unquestioning "pyongyang" way still makes me barf.
Am I not allowed to say this?