Lance interview in Feb Procycling

SpaceJunk

Arkibal wrote:

I've always taken the athletes side here, well, except Ricco maybe...

Arikbal, just a quick question (this is genuine too!), Do you mind me asking why you feel differently towards Ricco as opposed to other (caught) dopers who get slammed on this site (e.g. Basso, Landis, Rasmussen, Kohl etc)??

Now tongue-in-cheek :

Simeoni and Armstrong both have their critics on this forum over their infamous stoush. Are you on the athlete's side in both instances?

SpaceJunk

Arkibal wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Arkibal wrote:

Have you been a Pro athlete=earning your salary as an athlete?

I'm curious, why would this make one jot of difference? Obviously because you have you have a different POV and I'm interested ot understand it. And this is a genuine question.

Well sitting on your ass instead of working hard out, yes, that makes a difference.
And as it goes in every aspects of life, no matter if it's sports, economy(bad joke), the better you are, the more you'll get paid.

The only thing is that while you are sitting on your ass, you are unlikely to get injured, having an injury that could finish your sporting career, not likely.

Since you "know" so much about cycling and sports, I assume you have been an elite athlete............?

My brother is a bricklayer. He works hard 6 am starts and finsihes at 4pm., works 6 days week. He is only 34 but is now having to look at getting a new profession since he has sustained a back injury through this repetitive work. Does this mean he is qualified to pass comment on professional athletes who 'also work hard' and 'risk injury that could ruin his career'?

SpaceJunk

Arkibal wrote:

Since you "know" so much about cycling and sports, I assume you have been an elite athlete............?

Therefore, unless we are professional musicians we can't say that we don't like a particular song? (Or that I think the new Kings of Leon album is overrated?)

Unless we are a professional actor we can't give our opinion on who we think is worthy of winning an Oscar? (Or that the movie Australia is a bore-fest?)

dave_1

All credit to Iainf on the Caitlin question in Pro Cycling....but where are the cycling media's questions regarding why Caitlin is not yet tesing LA? This is serious...journos of this website/ forum...you should ask LA this at some point over his stay in Oz

iainf72

Arkibal wrote:

Since you "know" so much about cycling and sports, I assume you have been an elite athlete............?

No I'm not.

But I really see how it can make no difference.

So you agree with Kimmage and Lemond as well then? They've been there.

Kléber

Arkibal wrote:

Clueless post, not surprised, coming from you.

Have you been a Pro athlete=earning your salary as an athlete?

I'll let your personal attacks speak for themselves.

I'll simply repeat, do we have to be elite athletes to discuss cycling? This would instantly rule out most of the Pro Cycling columnists as well as many other journalists. Can fans not have a say?

SpaceJunk

Dave_1 wrote:

All credit to Iainf on the Caitlin question in Pro Cycling....but where are the cycling media's questions regarding why Caitlin is not yet tesing LA? This is serious...journos of this website/ forum...you should ask LA this at some point over his stay in Oz

^ + 1 Great Post

ATM the local press are just asking LA what he thinks of Adelaide and if he has been lucky enough to see a Koala.

Hopefully some of the European press will get a chance to ask the tough questions come next week.

Kléber

SpaceJunk wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

All credit to Iainf on the Caitlin question in Pro Cycling....but where are the cycling media's questions regarding why Caitlin is not yet tesing LA? This is serious...journos of this website/ forum...you should ask LA this at some point over his stay in Oz

^ + 1 Great Post

ATM the local press are just asking LA what he thinks of Adelaide and if he has been lucky enough to see a Koala.

Hopefully some of the European press will get a chance to ask the tough questions come next week.

That's true. Many journalists following Armstrong will no nothing about cycling. When the racing gets to Italy and France, he'll have to face up to investigative journalists, not to mention the likes of Philippe Brunel or Eugenio Capodacqua.

dave_1

Mr Cossins, D Friebe...any chance you or your colleagues can have this Caitlin question raised to LA pls?pls?

blazing_saddles

Dave_1 wrote:

All credit to Iainf on the Caitlin question in Pro Cycling....but where are the cycling media's questions regarding why Caitlin is not yet tesing LA? This is serious...journos of this website/ forum...you should ask LA this at some point over his stay in Oz

Here, here.
Call me old fashioned, but I like to see people doing what they say they will do.
This very questioned has cropped up elsewhere.
Why are journalists still mute?
You would have thought they would be very interested in an explanation.
Instead, we have the Aussie media hyping Lance's fitness, through Sean Yates.
The January date is set to come and go...........

DaveyL

C-A-T-L-I-N

micron

We were promised transparency but got the ususal smoke and mirrors - I don't see where expecting someone to be true to their word has anything to do with having ever been a professional athlete and far more to do with ethics and values - but then I suppose I can't comment on that either, not being a moral philosopher or ethicist

agreed that this question needs to be asked - and hopefully someone will ask it. Or are we all too scared of the legendary blacklist and missing out on the Armstrong PR juggernaut? Seriously, the sport deserves better.

singlespeedexplosif

C-A-T-L-I-N
if we're being pedantic, surely only the C is capitalised?

calvjones

singlespeedexplosif wrote:

C-A-T-L-I-N
if we're being pedantic, surely only the C is capitalised?

He's shouting

calvjones

SpaceJunk wrote:

Arkibal wrote:

Since you "know" so much about cycling and sports, I assume you have been an elite athlete............?

Therefore, unless we are professional musicians we can't say that we don't like a particular song? (Or that I think the new Kings of Leon album is overrated?)

Gosh, it really is, isn't it?

singlespeedexplosif

He's shouting
I can't hear him. What's he saying?

DaveyL

singlespeedexplosif wrote:

C-A-T-L-I-N
if we're being pedantic, surely only the C is capitalised?

Is it pedantic to want someone's name spelled correctly? Fair enough.

blazing_saddles

It's official, Iain is a celebrity in the cyclingworld
From cyclingnews homepage, today's news headlines:-
Readers grill Armstrong in February's Procycling

The February 2009 edition of our sister magazine, Procycling (issue 121), has gone on sale in the UK and will soon be available in the US and the rest of the world. The cover star is Lance Armstrong, who Procycling were given exclusive access to during Astana's December training camp in Tenerife. Rather than asking the questions everyone else has been asking the seven-time Tour champion, Procycling gave their readers the chance to put their own questions to Armstrong, it resulted in an illuminating exchange – and one that's fired up debate on the message boards at bikeradar.com
:shock:

SolerFan

:roll: It sure would be nice to read an article about Lance Armstrong that focused less than 50% of its content on whether he's doped or not. Yes, I understand it's a very relevant topic but, seriously, can I get some information on some other things in the man's life:
-maybe throw in a co-interview w/ Carmichael to talk about how he's training, if his avg. watts are where they should be, VO2 levels, whatever;
-talk to his future baby's mama
-or get him & Contador together to duke out their intra-team rivalry issue...
SOMETHING other than debating, as we have INCESSANTLY for the past 9 years, whether this guy has doped or not.

rockmount

SolerFan wrote:

Yes, I understand it's a very relevant topic

To whom ???

SOMETHING other than debating, as we have INCESSANTLY for the past 9 years, whether this guy has doped or not.

+1000000

iainf72

SolerFan wrote:

maybe throw in a co-interview w/ Carmichael to talk about how he's training, if his avg. watts are where they should be, VO2 levels, whatever;

Cycling Weekly asked him about his VO2Max and he claimed he didn't know what it was and it hadn't been tested since he was a teenager. Or something.

I can say my questions were not about doping.

afx237vi

SolerFan wrote:

:roll: It sure would be nice to read an article about Lance Armstrong that focused less than 50% of its content on whether he's doped or not. Yes, I understand it's a very relevant topic but, seriously, can I get some information on some other things in the man's life:
-maybe throw in a co-interview w/ Carmichael to talk about how he's training, if his avg. watts are where they should be, VO2 levels, whatever;
-talk to his future baby's mama
-or get him & Contador together to duke out their intra-team rivalry issue...
SOMETHING other than debating, as we have INCESSANTLY for the past 9 years, whether this guy has doped or not.

Er, try Heat Magazine instead of Procycling?

Tempestas

afx237vi wrote:

SolerFan wrote:

:roll: It sure would be nice to read an article about Lance Armstrong that focused less than 50% of its content on whether he's doped or not. Yes, I understand it's a very relevant topic but, seriously, can I get some information on some other things in the man's life:
-maybe throw in a co-interview w/ Carmichael to talk about how he's training, if his avg. watts are where they should be, VO2 levels, whatever;
-talk to his future baby's mama
-or get him & Contador together to duke out their intra-team rivalry issue...
SOMETHING other than debating, as we have INCESSANTLY for the past 9 years, whether this guy has doped or not.

Er, try Heat Magazine instead of Procycling?

I would if it asked questions I wanted to know the answers too, no good reading a repeat of a magazine published a few months before, which is what most mags are. Reading a cycling mag is like being in Groundhog Day

afx237vi

Tempestas wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

SolerFan wrote:

:roll: It sure would be nice to read an article about Lance Armstrong that focused less than 50% of its content on whether he's doped or not. Yes, I understand it's a very relevant topic but, seriously, can I get some information on some other things in the man's life:
-maybe throw in a co-interview w/ Carmichael to talk about how he's training, if his avg. watts are where they should be, VO2 levels, whatever;
-talk to his future baby's mama
-or get him & Contador together to duke out their intra-team rivalry issue...
SOMETHING other than debating, as we have INCESSANTLY for the past 9 years, whether this guy has doped or not.

Er, try Heat Magazine instead of Procycling?

I would if it asked questions I wanted to know the answers too, no good reading a repeat of a magazine published a few months before, which is what most mags are. Reading a cycling mag is like being in Groundhog Day

Sure, I agree with you, which is why I rarely buy cycling magazines. But I'd rather an issue of Procycling filled with rehashed, reheated articles than an issue of Procycling featuring an interview with Lance Armstrong's pregnant girlfriend. The very idea is horrific!

Cycling WAG'S = :shock:

timoid.

SolerFan wrote:

:roll: It sure would be nice to read an article about Lance Armstrong that focused less than 50% of its content on whether he's doped or not. Yes, I understand it's a very relevant topic but, seriously, can I get some information on some other things in the man's life:
-maybe throw in a co-interview w/ Carmichael to talk about how he's training, if his avg. watts are where they should be, VO2 levels, whatever;
-talk to his future baby's mama
-or get him & Contador together to duke out their intra-team rivalry issue...
SOMETHING other than debating, as we have INCESSANTLY for the past 9 years, whether this guy has doped or not.

All fair points except Carmichael. Useless dope pedalling charlatan.

I understand those who buy into any myth in cycling except for the brilliance of that clown.

andyp

Timoid. wrote:

All fair points except Carmichael. Useless dope pedalling charlatan.

I understand those who buy into any myth in cycling except for the brilliance of that clown.

Was Carmichael even that though? Surely the relationship with Ferrari was the main part of any doping program?

Carmichael was simply the beard.

dave_1

Is it possible only 2 or 3 of LAs close circle have more knowledge of how he did it than others? If he took EPO at some point someone connected his entourage must hve received it either through an online order or face to face...if he did EPO then someone someone...somewhere in the world knows that and keeps quiet...

blazing_saddles

Dave_1 wrote:

Is it possible only 2 or 3 of LAs close circle have more knowledge of how he did it than others? If he took EPO at some point someone connected his entourage must hve received it either through an online order or face to face...if he did EPO then someone someone...somewhere in the world knows that and keeps quiet...

Yes, that is usually how the drugs trade functions.

Kléber

Do you expect Bruyneel or Ferrari to pipe up, "Funny, no one's ever put this to me this but since you're asking, let me explain. It all began in 2000 when...etc etc"?

I too long for the day when we can avoid talking about doping but we're not there yet, many results from the past were completely distorted because of doping and to discuss almost any race from 1991 to 2007 means you have to consider the effects of EPO, blood doping and other related methods.

rockmount

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Yes, that is usually how the drugs trade functions.

...go on then, tell us all about it :shock: ...again, and again .....