The White Rose Classic is to be held on the 19th July 2009.

Booboocp

My integrity? and who do I belittle?

...and if I'm me, me, me, can you kindly tell me what I'm getting out of it?

Like you say I'll let people make up their own minds and all are welcome to judge me as they see fit. I care what people think about me, but will never expect to influence them.

Truth: I found out from a third party the WRC was being dropped for 2009 by BC. I did not want this to happen so decided to run it under a different organisation, which just happens to be Cancer Research UK. What is so wrong with that?

Organising a sportive is a lot of hard work (not only for me, but the whole team - that's what it is, a team effort) and I'm not doing it for the glory or so that people can say "wow isn't he a good person". If you haven't worked out my true motives then that is your loss. I care deeply about the cycling community and have no problem giving up my time, not just to run the sportive but help cyclists in other ways - training, advice etc.

I have been a fundraiser for many years and I've also just volunteered my time to sit on another committee to help run another large charity event, so it is not just cycling I'm involved with. I don't want sympathy or a medal, just a little support and help with my fundraising. This is my last word in this thread, if there is anything you need clarification on, please feel free to email me.

ledburyloafer

JLC wrote:

I posted this on the cyclosport forum last week.

"I helped out as a volunteer on the feed stations at both the Ryedale Rumble and White Close Classic this year, having nothing to do with Derek or British Cycling. I think it is really sad that the White Rose Classic / Challenge are highly likely to be known in future for all the arguments on here and bikeradar rather than the events itself. After having given up my day to help out and working as hard as possible to help people on a feed station I find this disappointing. We should be looking back and reflecting on the events and the positive comments the WRC classic received this year. We should be also looking forward to the Classic and also the Challenge this year.

These arguments have really made me consider whether I will volunteer again. Why should I give up a weekend and help out, when the only thing that happens after the event are constant public arguments, mainly between the people who have organised it in the past and looking to organise things in the future. These people appear unable to keep the arguments in private, and just keep on wanting to comment on each others events whenever they have the opportunity. They just cannot help themselves it appears.

So I think it is now time that the Classic people stick to organising a great Classic and stop posting anything at all about the Challenge. The Challenge organisers should stop posting anything about the Classic and concentrate on making at a great Challenge.

So I lay down the challenge and see if they can do that, and let us see what happens."

Think that you'll find that those organising the "challenge" are the one's making the noise, those organising the classic seem to be going quietly about their job, they haven't really promoted it yet.

Anonymous

JLC wrote:

So I think it is now time that the Classic people stick to organising a great Classic and stop posting anything at all about the Challenge. The Challenge organisers should stop posting anything about the Classic and concentrate on making at a great Challenge.

Just for information purposes.....

Kudu Bikes (based in Hawes) are now going to the organise the WHITE ROSE CLASSIC....this will feature a new route....they will have support in certain area's from BC (who along with Booboo has run and developed the WRC since its creation).

What worries me is that KUDU BIKES have no idea or input into any of this....they are wholely unaware of any political dealings..(and are not represented on any forum I know off)......they are simply a team who have decided to try and give there all in running an event in the lovely Dales....and as a result they should be left completely out of all this.....so 'JLC' please be aware that "the 'classic' guys should stick to the 'classic' event" phrase isn't valid...as the Classic guys(KUDU) have no idea about any of this..... and should not be associated with anything written on any forum.

More info:-

The White Rose Challenge will use the original 'Classic' route....Norwood / Fleetmoss / Coal Road / Malham / Langbar......it will be run with Booboo and another team he has formed...

I know its very confusing? Confuses me aswell....

These 2 events although similar in name are completely seperate events...

And in truth 'JLC'.... sometimes 'serious' discussions do need to be aired on the forums....just to give a fair appraisal....many people read these forums and thus give rise of a very powerful political tool...which can be easily used as a vehicle to sway opinion and 'manipulate'.....not at all nice I know but unfortunately true.....

Just head over to Cyclosport.Org if you want to see a forum getting used as the ultimate political tool......a real shame!

pdstsp

Richyboy - I really think people are getting far too wound up. You make a valid point that fora can be used as a political tool and can sway opinion but I am very surprised that this should be the case in sportive land. We are basically talking about a nice bike ride.

Now I understand that the organisers of these events have had a falling out between themselves and that one party seems to be more vocal at the present time. However what we now have are two events in great countryside, an agreement about dates and names and an intention that charities should benefit from any surplus funds and sponsorship, and that should really be that.

To me there doesn't seem to be much point in hammering on and on about who said what to who. We would all do better to spend the time training because, having crawled round the medium course of the Challenge, nee Classic , last May, I know I need the saddle time.

Otherwise we could end up with splinter groups - the Peoples Sportive Organisation , The Organisation of Peoples Sportives and the Sportive Popular Front.

pprince

pdstsp wrote:

Guys - it is only a sportive you know - it is a bloody good one but hardly worth falling out over. My wife is away working this week and so I have the sole charg of the young pdstsps and, in the words I used to them not ten minutes ago "CALM sodding DOWN"

The deal appears to be done - two sportives in Yorkshire on different weekends run by different people - now lets all forget everything else and get fit enough to do ourselves justice.

pprince you sit in one corner with your hands on your knees
booboocp you sit in the hall and think about your actions

I'll be ringing your parents later.

you made me laugh

pdstsp

Good

ledburyloafer

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Otherwise we could end up with splinter groups - the Peoples Sportive Organisation , The Organisation of Peoples Sportives and the Sportive Popular Front.[/quote]

Showing your age there! life of brian me thinks,......made me laugh too!

Anonymous

pdstsp wrote:

Richyboy - I really think people are getting far too wound up. You make a valid point that fora can be used as a political tool and can sway opinion but I am very surprised that this should be the case in sportive land. We are basically talking about a nice bike ride.

It maybe surprising that a forum be used as a political tool in the sportive fraternity but it holds validity(only for a very very small minority I'm happy to say)....and a Sportif Event is maybe 'basically' just a nice bike ride, but tons and tons of hard work and dedication goes into the running of such an event....with logistical nightmares everywhere....not only that large amounts of money is raised aswell..and where such effort/passion and money are involved, then its obvious a 'negative' impact will raise its head now and again...but again, only a small minority....the vast majority of Organisers and helpers of the sportive scene are out for all the proper reasons....which is all very positive

samoff

Sportive Popular Front: blooody splitters!

Anonymous

Yes,

From now on can this thread be solely dedicated to the WHITE ROSE CLASSIC.

This will be run on 19th July 2009.

It will be a brand new route hopefully exploring many area's that the current Sportive scene hasn't yet ventured....all very exciting!

The event will be getting run by KUDU bikes from Hawes who will hopefully continue with the excellent standards the Classic is widely renowned for.

I don't think it proper to be discussing any other sportive event on this thread anymore... :roll:

pdstsp

Sounds a good plan - and I'm looking forward to doing both next year, fitness permitting!

And Richy I do take your point re organisation and the passion - I just hope that the raison d'etre of the whole thing wins through and we can all enjoy looking forward to great events.

Hugh_P

As far as I know there are no sportives that go up Park Rash. Perhaps the WRClassic can make it one of their hills?

Anonymous

Hugh_P wrote:

As far as I know there are no sportives that go up Park Rash. Perhaps the WRClassic can make it one of their hills?

Yes there is Hugh...the 5 Dales Richmond does that absolute brute!.......

But theres many other sportive free trauma's in the Dales ....

ledburyloafer

RICHYBOYcp wrote:

Hugh_P wrote:

As far as I know there are no sportives that go up Park Rash. Perhaps the WRClassic can make it one of their hills?

Yes there is Hugh...the 5 Dales Richmond does that absolute brute!.......

But theres many other sportive free trauma's in the Dales ....

You riding it next year Richy?

Anonymous

ledburyloafer wrote:

RICHYBOYcp wrote:

Hugh_P wrote:

As far as I know there are no sportives that go up Park Rash. Perhaps the WRClassic can make it one of their hills?

Yes there is Hugh...the 5 Dales Richmond does that absolute brute!.......

But theres many other sportive free trauma's in the Dales ....

You riding it next year Richy?

Certainly am.....really fancy this one...never did the 'Stang' or 'Tanhill' from that direction...and Fleetmoss from Hawes is a dog.....but Park rash is IMO the Daddy of the Dales......can't wait! :shock:

Hugh_P

I stand corrected. I'll have to give 5 dales a go although it seems to be on around the same time as FW, WRChallenge and EdD.

John C.

RICHYBOYcp wrote:

ledburyloafer wrote:

RICHYBOYcp wrote:

Hugh_P wrote:

As far as I know there are no sportives that go up Park Rash. Perhaps the WRClassic can make it one of their hills?

Yes there is Hugh...the 5 Dales Richmond does that absolute brute!.......

But theres many other sportive free trauma's in the Dales ....

You riding it next year Richy?

Certainly am.....really fancy this one...never did the 'Stang' or 'Tanhill' from that direction...and Fleetmoss from Hawes is a dog.....but Park rash is IMO the Daddy of the Dales......can't wait! :shock:

I love hills
I love Park Rash
It's really 3 hills one after another, the first straight out of Kettlewell no warning just up at about 25% , the next has 25% tight turns and then when you're really knackered it kicks up to the summit

CumbrianMan

Bob H (or anyone in the know)

Any update yet from Kudu Bikes ? Have they managed to get it organised yet ?

Just wondered what the route is gonna be and when the entries are coming out.

Cheers

CumbrianMan

Bob H (or anyone in the know)

Any update yet from Kudu Bikes ? Have they managed to get it organised yet ?

Just wondered what the route is gonna be and when the entries are coming out.

Cheers

hugo15

Details over on Cyclosport

http://www.cyclosport.org/eventdetails. ... entid=2191