Cera - How much would it cost

DavMartinR
DavMartinR Posts: 897
edited October 2008 in Pro race
If you were on a plan how much are you likely to be paying? With Frank S. giving 7000Euro just for a meeting???

Are domestiques able to afford this stuff? Or are they on homebrew,hand me downs from team leaders?
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  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    I think the largest part of the cost of the doping is the doctor, with his "knowledge" than the actual cost of the drugs.
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  • So it's the doctors that are worth there weight in gold.,Who get the riders on the right program for them.

    Would a domestiuqe rider be able to afford a consultation with these doctors? Or would the team give its riders financial assistance?
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Cant see that the team would help the riders now. In the olden days - yeah - but now - that would kill the team off if it came out.

    If you look at PED forums - theres loads of advice on it - seemingly theres a few amateurs who know huge amounts about these drugs and avoiding positives - its scary stuff, and they dont see anything wrong in it. The to$$ers.
  • That the real worry with this doping. If my piers can do it and get away with it, it must be OK?

    I can understand a pro when its his living ( not agree with it) taking this stuff, but when it comes down to the armature level that is scary.
  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    DavMartinR wrote:
    If you were on a plan how much are you likely to be paying? With Frank S. giving 7000Euro just for a meeting???

    Are domestiques able to afford this stuff? Or are they on homebrew,hand me downs from team leaders?
    Seem to remember Ullrich paid Fuentes around 25,000 euros - and presumably that was just what could be traced through bank accounts rather than Manolo Saiz's preferred method of a large suitcase.

    The doctors can presumably charge these fees not so much on their knowledge of what products work, but rather what dosages will avoid failed tests.
  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    DavMartinR wrote:
    when it comes down to the armature level that is scary.
    VERY scary!! :shock: :shock: :twisted:
  • mrushton
    mrushton Posts: 5,182
    the team probably 'discourages' it by saying i'f you get caught it's your fault but if you dont say anything, we won't ask'
    M.Rushton
  • Simon Notley
    Simon Notley Posts: 1,263
    Bronzie wrote:
    DavMartinR wrote:
    when it comes down to the armature level that is scary.
    VERY scary!! :shock: :shock: :twisted:

    That link really is scary... I only read the first two pages, so not sure if there was even more drama to come... I wonder how many people at amateur level in this country are doping... I may even have raced alongside dopers...
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    Bronzie - that post is scary. Looks like those guys a US collegiate track runners - but how come if they're that juiced-up, they are nowhere in comparison to the likes Ethiopians and Kenyans? I'm convinced PEDs are just as endemic in T&F, not just cycling anyway. As others have said, I don't think its the cost of the drugs, but the knowledge to make sure you stay within the limits and don't kill yourself!
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • Ramanujan
    Ramanujan Posts: 352
    You can buy EPO and blood cetrifuges on ebay.
    If you head over to cutting edge forums, you can buy EPO, HGH , steroids and probably CERA now.
    Amateur cyclists in the US have been using PEDs for a long time
    It's only a matter of time before we get drug tests at 3/4 races in the UK.
    that will mean the cost of racing will go through the roof.
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    It wouldnt be worth doing drugs tests in 3rd 4th Cat racing. If anyone was doping - then you'd think they'd be winning and heading upwards. Catch them when they race elite.
  • PEDs have been a feature of many sports in the US for years, and the authorities have been happy to turn a blind eye to it. Hopefully that attitude is changing, but you can see from cutting edge that it is still endemic.
  • Patrick1.0
    Patrick1.0 Posts: 290
    edited October 2008
    I just have so little time for that type of person. He's just looking for the easy way out. If he was a pro and felt he'd done everything but dope, then I could understand it just a little bit more.
  • this forum makes really interesting Reading


    http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/ ... genumber=1
  • Monty Dog wrote:
    Bronzie - that post is scary. Looks like those guys a US collegiate track runners - but how come if they're that juiced-up, they are nowhere in comparison to the likes Ethiopians and Kenyans?!

    Because the rift valley athletes are all born at altitude, train at altitude and run from very young ages every day. They are quite literally untouchable. Doping doesn't make any impact. They're just better. They can run sub 4.50 miles all day.
  • leguape
    leguape Posts: 986
    cougie wrote:
    It wouldnt be worth doing drugs tests in 3rd 4th Cat racing. If anyone was doping - then you'd think they'd be winning and heading upwards. Catch them when they race elite.

    If they did test down at 3/4 level then I imagine a high percentage of riders would fail the tests as a result of OTC medication which contains restricted/proscribed substances. Lemsip max strength or similar usually contains pseudephidrine or some other ephidrine derivative which would count as a violation.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Pseudoephedrine isn't banned.
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  • DaveyL wrote:
    Pseudoephedrine isn't banned.

    I am pretty sure that it is.
  • The other threads are fascinating, especially their pathetic excuses for doping, most of which come down to 'pro sports have money and I want some'. Yet none of them seem to twig that sports associated with ped use are unappealing to sponsors and patrons with serious money and that they're the problem, not the solution.
  • Patrick1.0 wrote:
    DaveyL wrote:
    Pseudoephedrine isn't banned.

    I am pretty sure that it is.
    You'd be wrong then.

    It pays to check the WADA list of substances and methods banned in competition.

    ephedrine is prohibited when its concentration in urine is greater than 10 micrograms per milliliter.

    pseudoephedrine is not considered as a Prohibited Substance.
  • jon208
    jon208 Posts: 335
    Good God! I've just had a read throught that would be school boy doper thread.

    Is he purposely going for this years Darwin award? Talk about a little bit of knowledge being a dangerous thing, these guys really don't know what they're on about despite what they may think. The numpty has mitral valve disease which will cause turbulent flow around his valve - turbulent flow is a contributory factor in thrombus formation. Next he want's to thicken his blood to a thick paste with EPO, another great way to promote thrombus. Then he's going to take some beta blockers because "I've got a 'script for them and they thin the blood don't they...." No they bloody well don't thin the blood you tosser, neither do NSAIDs for that matter. What they will do is neuter your cardiovascular and respiratory system before you maximally exert yourself with your new found juice power - assuming you survive that long. They'll also do a great job of slowing your heart rate right down, especially as you seem to have no clue about dosage. Slow flow = guess what, another contributory factor in thrombus formation. This guys doing a perfect job of setting him self up for a stroke. I'm just glad he's on the other side of the pond and it won't be me who has to get out of bed to look at his head CT in the middle of the night.

    As for the step by step instructions in "shooting" "gear" using a "pin", aside from being more testicles have they any idea what it makes them sound like?! They sould go and seek out the nearest smack addict, they'll show them a great technique.....

    And to end my rant "So if I were to become a cyclist what sort would I be....." A filthy dirty cheating one, that's what sort. Please don't.

    I'm off for a lie down in a dark room. :evil:
  • jon208 wrote:
    I'm just glad he's on the other side of the pond and it won't be me who has to get out of bed to look at his head CT in the middle of the night.
    I'm off for a lie down in a dark room. :evil:

    Would it be a fair guess that you spend large amounts of your working day in dark rooms then? :-P

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  • jon208
    jon208 Posts: 335
    Pretty much all of it actually! Don't know what to make of all this sunshine today - I'm off out to synthesise some vitamin D. :wink:
  • There's sunshine?

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  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    If I was on Lemsip - I'd not be racing. I'd be tucked up in bed ringing my bell for attention and lucozade and more magazines to read.
  • hopper1
    hopper1 Posts: 4,389
    I agree with Patrick1.0, that is just a young guy wanting the easy way to a decent time. a bit like filling in your gym membership and ordering your first course of steroids on the same sheet!
    Lazy b'stards!
    I had good results as a runner a few years ago. I didn't choose to do it 'clean', it just never occurred to me that I could get the same (or better) results with less work!
    Now, I cycle, and I struggle for every little improvement I make, but still, I'd chuck my bike in the bin, before resorting to cheating!
    Not meaning to sound self righteous, just getting p!ssed off with all the dope scandals rearing their ugly heads again....
    Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!
  • teagar
    teagar Posts: 2,100
    this forum makes really interesting Reading


    http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/ ... genumber=1

    :shock:

    How do sites like these exist! That's enough to put anyone off sport forever. I am amazingly shocked - and I thought I was appropriately cynical .Apparantly not.
    Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.
  • teagar wrote:
    this forum makes really interesting Reading


    http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/ ... genumber=1

    :shock:

    How do sites like these exist! That's enough to put anyone off sport forever. I am amazingly shocked - and I thought I was appropriately cynical .Apparantly not.

    Lack of regulation? You would be roundly horrified by what lurks in the dark corners of the internets.

    RBIT