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mark howlandmark howland Posts: 3
edited January 2009 in Campaign
Someone i know joined this group and i want to join so i can rubbish their claim that we cyclists don't pay road tax and always go through red lights but dont have the gramatical know how.
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  • Errr...................cyclists don't pay road tax. Consider your chips........pissed on.

    As for being grammitically correct, I think you are ok. Being punctually correct however........if you look up 'punctuation' in a dictionary I guarantee you will learn something.

    As for the red light business - other forum threads will do this to death.
  • Tootler wrote:
    Cyclists don't pay road tax

    I am a cyclist.

    I pay road tax.

    Joining the dots is left as an exercise for the reader.
    John Stevenson
  • richaricha Posts: 2,020
    VED used to be a fair argument. Everyone had to pay tax for each car they drove on the road so the no tax on bicycles was arguably unfair - cyclists used the road and were not paying a fair share. However, the system is now based upon CO2 emmissions. Therefore, like polo blue motions/electric cars, bicycles would fall into the £0 category and the would pay £nil.

    VED
    band CO2 £
    A Up to 100 £0
    B 101 - 120 £35
    C 121 - 150 £120
    D 151 - 165 £145
    E 166 - 185 £170
    F over 1862 £210
    G over 2263 £400

    Incidentally, has anyone calculated the CO2 emmited by a cyclist?
  • gavintcgavintc Posts: 3,009
    I think my farting while riding imply I should be paying something.
  • redddraggonredddraggon Posts: 10,862
    What's "Road Tax" anyway?
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  • gavintcgavintc Posts: 3,009
    Stand at any junction and count the number of drivers who go through red and then count the cyclists. Consider which is more dangerous.
  • chuckcorkchuckcork Posts: 1,471
    richa wrote:

    Incidentally, has anyone calculated the CO2 emmited by a cyclist?

    Cyclists eat food to go, so its a clean energy cycle, just describe it as Biomass. Well not really, but with CO2 costs of transporting oil and oil products all over the place etc not factored into CO2 output of cars I don't see why we should be compared that way either.

    As for electric cars, the "elephant in the room" is that an insignificant %-age of electricity is generated through renewable means. If the car is charged up with power that has comes from a coal- or gas-fired plant then the CO2 is considerably higher than would probably be the case just using a small car, transmission losses in power alone would be high?

    I'd be suprised if someone hasn't done a study on the CO2 cost of making the bike, but it would still be a damned sight less than the smallest car or motorcycle, other than those bicycles you see around with a very small motor attached.

    If you want clean and lean with a motor the only way to get it really would be an electric bicycle with a clean charging source like solar on your roof, anything more is going to be increasingly dirty.
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  • chuckcorkchuckcork Posts: 1,471
    gavintc wrote:
    Stand at any junction and count the number of drivers who go through red and then count the cyclists. Consider which is more dangerous.

    Consider also the near accidents that occur when motorists run red lights, and the few that occur when cyclists do so. I've seen plenty of very near misses with motorists running red's, none with cyclists.

    Strangely I've never seen a driver getting stuck into another for their [email protected] driving, yet I've had plenty offer me "advice" about how I should cycle?
    'Twas Mulga Bill, from Eaglehawk, that caught the cycling craze....
  • spen666spen666 Posts: 17,709
    Tootler wrote:
    Cyclists don't pay road tax

    I am a cyclist.

    I pay road tax.

    Joining the dots is left as an exercise for the reader.

    how do you pay a tax that was abolished some 70 years ago? :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
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  • Tootler wrote:
    Errr...................cyclists don't pay road tax. Consider your chips........pissed on.

    As for being grammitically correct, I think you are ok. Being punctually correct however........if you look up 'punctuation' in a dictionary I guarantee you will learn something.

    As for the red light business - other forum threads will do this to death.

    Thanx for the support , incidentally i pay road tax for 3 vehicles !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • nwallacenwallace Posts: 1,465
    richa wrote:
    VED
    band CO2 £
    A Up to 100 £0
    B 101 - 120 £35
    C 121 - 150 £120
    D 151 - 165 £145
    E 166 - 185 £170
    F over 1862 £210
    G over 2263 £400

    You missed a few

    PLG, Post 1992, < 1300cc (I dont' know this)
    PLG, Post 1992, > 1300cc £210pa
    PLG, Pre 1992, £210pa
    PLG Pre 1973, Nill
    Do Nellyphants count?

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  • Tootler wrote:
    Errr...................cyclists don't pay road tax. Consider your chips........pissed on.

    As for being grammitically correct, I think you are ok. Being punctually correct however........if you look up 'punctuation' in a dictionary I guarantee you will learn something.

    As for the red light business - other forum threads will do this to death.

    Thanx for the support , incidentally i pay road tax for 3 vehicles !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    No such thing as road tax - this topic regularly pops up, best to do a search and you'll get plenty of ammo.
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  • downfaderdownfader Posts: 3,686
    Facebook. Just tell them Facebook is for peados (as per ITN broadcasts) :wink::lol:
  • Clever PunClever Pun Posts: 6,778
    chuckcork wrote:
    gavintc wrote:
    Stand at any junction and count the number of drivers who go through red and then count the cyclists. Consider which is more dangerous.

    Consider also the near accidents that occur when motorists run red lights, and the few that occur when cyclists do so. I've seen plenty of very near misses with motorists running red's, none with cyclists.

    Strangely I've never seen a driver getting stuck into another for their [email protected] driving, yet I've had plenty offer me "advice" about how I should cycle?

    I've seen plenty of that...it's not just cyclists who get grief everyone is the angry drivers enemy
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  • W5454W5454 Posts: 133
    Parsnip49 wrote:
    see the button just above the shift key, go ahead and press it, it will do wonders for you.
    Caps Lock ?
  • I had some censored pebble tell em this morning that I should give way as I don't pay road tax.

    I politely pointed out that

    1) there is no raod tax and anyway VED pays for that cluster f*ck in Iraq, not new roads
    2) We were here first
    3) I own 3 cars anyhow, so pay more VEd - following his logic
    4) I pay VAT on my bike and bits
    5) Looking at his car, I probably pay more tax too, so using his logic have mor right to bethere.

    Actually, I got as far as 2 then found myself shouting impotently into the street.

    Felt better for it though.
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  • 2) We were here first

    :lol: Quality come back, Cat :!:

    But you should have said 'F&ck you, d1ck weed, we were here first!' instead though IMHO. :wink:
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  • I had some censored pebble

    What exactly is a censored pebble?
    If it is what I think it is, I have a few of those in my socks.

    What car was the pebble driving? Please tell me it was a silver Range Rover - I have a particular dislike for for this type of fat c**t carriage.
  • So , to summarise, the correct response is :

    "It's a zero emission vehicle you censored pebble" ?

    ( I have no idea what a censored pebble is either)
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  • spen666 wrote:
    Tootler wrote:
    Cyclists don't pay road tax

    I am a cyclist.

    I pay road tax.

    Joining the dots is left as an exercise for the reader.

    how do you pay a tax that was abolished some 70 years ago? :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:


    FFS, the DVLA still refer to Vehicle Excise Duty as "road tax". Nice to see the pedants are still rife. :D
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  • sward29sward29 Posts: 205
    It's worth highlighting the point made by Nevis the Cat because many hard of thinking drivers seem to be somewhat misinformed:

    VED/Road Tax (call it whatever you want) does not pay for the development or maintenance of UK roads; Income tax does.
  • downfaderdownfader Posts: 3,686
    Actually heres a point. I wrote to the Department of Transport telling them what drivers shout at cyclists and said they really have a responsibility to ensure these people are educated.

    Their response was typically one of brushing me off saying how it wasnt worth their effort. Time and time again I think they've proved they dont actually give a damn about cyclists, and we're paying their wages... so if you all want to send in your comments about the abuse you get then feel free. :wink:

    I think they could do with a kick up the **** on this. http://www.dft.gov.uk/
  • gtvlussogtvlusso Posts: 5,112
    I hate cyclists too....oh, hang on....
  • chuckcork wrote:
    If you want clean and lean with a motor the only way to get it really would be an electric bicycle with a clean charging source like solar on your roof, anything more is going to be increasingly dirty.
    Not even that, you're lovely battery has been produced using a load of energy and left a dirty big hole surrounded by spoil heaps and polluted water as its Nickel, Cadmium & its lovely plastic case has had similar amounts of energy spent upon it.
    The only enviromentally mode of transport is to walk, dressed in nothing but natural fibres & animal-derived products.
    Naturally, no artificial fertilisers or pesticides nor any type of non-animal powered transport should have been used during its production!
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  • trig1trig1 Posts: 111
    i want to know what a censored pebble is! :)
  • CunobelinCunobelin Posts: 11,792
    I had some censored pebble tell em this morning that I should give way as I don't pay road tax.

    I politely pointed out that

    1) there is no raod tax and anyway VED pays for that cluster f*ck in Iraq, not new roads
    2) We were here first
    3) I own 3 cars anyhow, so pay more VEd - following his logic
    4) I pay VAT on my bike and bits
    5) Looking at his car, I probably pay more tax too, so using his logic have mor right to bethere.

    Actually, I got as far as 2 then found myself shouting impotently into the street.

    Felt better for it though.

    Keep it simple

    "If you're paying Road Tax - your'e being conned!"
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  • downfaderdownfader Posts: 3,686
    trig1 wrote:
    i want to know what a censored pebble is! :)

    Its like a spitwad but needs to be removed by a doctor :lol:
  • MithrasMithras Posts: 428
    May I suggest that every member of Bike Radar joins the group, them swamps it with pro cycling posts! Flash Mobbing it's called!
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  • I have a simple response to the 'pay some road tax' abuse I get now and again. I simply reply with 'I'm not required to by law so instead of shouting at me to do something that is impossible, write to the goverment and tell them that I should pay if you feel that strongly about it'.

    Usually shuts them up.
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