Ricco and targetted testing

iainf72

He's been tested 4 times in the last 5 days.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/ju ... ce.cycling

Bet he feels a bit victimised.

jimmythecuckoo

You can feel some sympathy for him in many ways, but his past as a junior and amateur means that he will always be a target.

And if the credibility of our sport is to be restored then it is a pennance he, and many others in the peloton (including David Millar I suppose) must be willing to accept.

Doobz

must be demoralizing for any rider (if they are clean) to be used as a pincushion every day. I wonder why they suspect ricco when he has been laying a bit low apart from yesterdays stage.

calvjones

Doobz wrote:

must be demoralizing for any rider (if they are clean) to be used as a pincushion every day. I wonder why they suspect ricco when he has been laying a bit low apart from yesterdays stage.

Gosh, where to start?

Doobz

how about starting with a real answer and not some retarded pedantic "know it all" remark

andyp

Ooh, temper, temper!

How about the fact that he rides for Saunier Duval who have a chequered past when it comes to doping. Or that he has had brushes with doping controversy as both a junior and an amateur. Or that his training confidante is also Pantani's ex-soigneur. None of it is direct evidence but it doesn't smell too good.

iainf72

Doobz wrote:

how about starting with a real answer and not some retarded pedantic "know it all" remark

His high HCT for a start.

Then perhaps his alledged child like hormones from the Giro last year.

And he rides for Saunier.

Doobz

okay that's better

Kléber

This might not involve Ricco but in the two days before the Tour, the French anti-doping authority, the AFLD, has tested a variety of riders and apparently 10 have come back with suspicious values, haematocrit, reticulocytes etc.

These 10 riders have received a warning letter from the AFLD this morning. Is that a shadow I see falling over the race?

iainf72

Kléber wrote:

These 10 riders have received a warning letter from the AFLD this morning. Is that a shadow I see falling over the race?

Ooooh.

How long til the names leak?

aya604

iainf72 wrote:

Doobz wrote:

how about starting with a real answer and not some retarded pedantic "know it all" remark

His high HCT for a start.

Then perhaps his alledged child like hormones from the Giro last year.

And he rides for Saunier.

Is their record much worse than the average team?
Is there evidence they are a doping team today?

flattythehurdler

andyp wrote:

Ooh, temper, temper!

How about the fact that he rides for Saunier Duval who have a chequered past when it comes to doping. Or that he has had brushes with doping controversy as both a junior and an amateur. Or that his training confidante is also Pantani's ex-soigneur. None of it is direct evidence but it doesn't smell too good.

Am I supposed to go "Yawn" at this point?

campagchris

It didn't stop him winning yesterday when he knew for a fact he would be tested for stage win.It doesn't say how many times Valverde or other leading riders have been tested so we cant make comparisons.One things for sure the riders know how they stand now.

bipedal

Kléber wrote:

This might not involve Ricco but in the two days before the Tour, the French anti-doping authority, the AFLD, has tested a variety of riders and apparently 10 have come back with suspicious values, haematocrit, reticulocytes etc.

These 10 riders have received a warning letter from the AFLD this morning. Is that a shadow I see falling over the race?

Hey Kleber... could you post the link for this? Ta!

NervexProf

Ricco rants here: http://tinyurl.com/5a434o

iainf72

bipedal wrote:

Kléber wrote:

This might not involve Ricco but in the two days before the Tour, the French anti-doping authority, the AFLD, has tested a variety of riders and apparently 10 have come back with suspicious values, haematocrit, reticulocytes etc.

These 10 riders have received a warning letter from the AFLD this morning. Is that a shadow I see falling over the race?

Hey Kleber... could you post the link for this? Ta!

It's all over - Cyclingnews have it too.

aya604

iainf72 wrote:

bipedal wrote:

Kléber wrote:

This might not involve Ricco but in the two days before the Tour, the French anti-doping authority, the AFLD, has tested a variety of riders and apparently 10 have come back with suspicious values, haematocrit, reticulocytes etc.

These 10 riders have received a warning letter from the AFLD this morning. Is that a shadow I see falling over the race?

Hey Kleber... could you post the link for this? Ta!

It's all over - Cyclingnews have it too.

link(s) please - thanx

iainf72

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/to ... jul11news2

Kléber

You heard it here first from me

Also, if you want another furst, the future's looking bright for Credit Agricole, I think they've got a new sponsor.

iainf72

It's now 20 riders

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ca ... &type=lgns

blazing_saddles

I wonder how many are in the top 20 of the GC? :roll:

afx237vi

Kléber wrote:

You heard it here first from me

Also, if you want another furst, the future's looking bright for Credit Agricole, I think they've got a new sponsor.

Orange?!

RichN95.

Kléber wrote:

You heard it here first from me

Also, if you want another furst, the future's looking bright for Credit Agricole, I think they've got a new sponsor.

Stephen Roche said as much on telly the other day. Didn't say who though.

Cumulonimbus

Do you think that the riders identified would be performing less well than expected as they would know that they were being watched or would it make no difference? Might they think that if their levels suddenly went down it would look suspicious or would they just carry on thinking that the tour didnt want another scandal?

deal

Sagot said this would not legally constitute a warning, but he recommended that riders pass the results to their team doctors “because of the possibility of a health risk.”

im sure the team doctors had no knowledge of the high haemocrits :roll:

ms_tree

I read some time ago that Ricco failed tests as a junior so Gianetti took to UCI and had tests done with them and he has their certificate to say he has natuarlly high haematocrit. So does Cunego.

z000m

the old doctors note works everytime.

Ms Tree wrote:

I read some time ago that Ricco failed tests as a junior so Gianetti took to UCI and had tests done with them and he has their certificate to say he has natuarlly high haematocrit. So does Cunego.

deal

if you are boosting your heamocrit consistantly from the time you were a junior its pretty easy to show a history of high haemocrit in order to get the exemption

knedlicky

Blazing Saddles wrote:

I wonder how many are in the top 20 of the GC? :roll:

Apparently none of the 20 riders concerned ride for the Milram, Gerolsteiner, CSC-Saxo, Rabobank or Silence-Lotto teams.

Which allows a final GC of Evans, Sastre, Schumacher, Menchow and Knees.

Kléber

deal wrote:

if you are boosting your heamocrit consistantly from the time you were a junior its pretty easy to show a history of high haemocrit in order to get the exemption

That means spending half your life on EPO just to keep the count high. With EPO tests out of competition from time to time, this should be impossible. Or at least exhorbitantly expensive.

knedlicky wrote:

Apparently none of the 20 riders concerned ride for the Milram, Gerolsteiner, CSC-Saxo, Rabobank or Silence-Lotto teams.

Now the guessing game begins. Apparently several had haematocrit counts right up to the 50% limit. Now this doesn't mean anything, they could be dehydrated but too often there are no simple explanations other than cheats. Beltran was one of the monitored riders.

fast as fupp

id like to think that riccos being picked on coz hes a bit ginger