Wimbledon

heavymental

Looks like a bit of rain has stopped play for today. Looking forward to Murray beating Nadal later if they make it out on to court today :roll: Well, hopefully he'll give him a good game at least. Nice that our boy is doing ok.

spen666

Heavymental wrote:

Looks like a bit of rain has stopped play for today. Looking forward to Murray beating Nadal later if they make it out on to court today :roll: Well, hopefully he'll give him a good game at least. Nice that our boy is doing ok.

He's most certainly not my boy

I'll be giving him the same support he gave the England football team at the last football world cup.

You remember when asked who he would be supporting he said "England's opponents". He has no chance of this Englishman's support

CHRISNOIR

I'm not usually a fan of tennis but the Murray / Gasquet game the other night had me riveted!

Oh, and I think it might be my fault that it's raining; I said at work yesterday that Wimbledon had been lucky with the weather so far. So, er, sorry about that.

robmanic1

Tarts game!

spen666

Robmanic1 wrote:

Tarts game!

We can play with Tarts instead of watching Wimbledon?


Who pays their fee? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :shock:

Nuggs

spen666 wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

Looks like a bit of rain has stopped play for today. Looking forward to Murray beating Nadal later if they make it out on to court today :roll: Well, hopefully he'll give him a good game at least. Nice that our boy is doing ok.

He's most certainly not my boy

I'll be giving him the same support he gave the England football team at the last football world cup.

You remember when asked who he would be supporting he said "England's opponents". He has no chance of this Englishman's support

And do you offer unstinting support to Scotland?

I certainly don't, which is why I'm happy to adopt Murray as my own.

Far more British than Greg Ruszedski anyhow...

heavymental

spen666 wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

Looks like a bit of rain has stopped play for today. Looking forward to Murray beating Nadal later if they make it out on to court today :roll: Well, hopefully he'll give him a good game at least. Nice that our boy is doing ok.

He's most certainly not my boy

I'll be giving him the same support he gave the England football team at the last football world cup.

You remember when asked who he would be supporting he said "England's opponents". He has no chance of this Englishman's support

Well, as an unwelcome Englishman in Wales I'm used to those kind of comments so maybe I'm hardened to them a bit as I chose to let it wash over me. I'm sure Murray isn't stupid enough to be a proper, chip on his shoulder, flag waving nationalist and I think the 'Whoever England are playing' comment is one that falls out of every Welsh/Scots mouth when asked that question so I'll still be cheering him on as he's a Brit. I'm sure he'll grow out of making those type of comments knowing now how dangerous they can be to his popularity.

will3

I seem to remember when England didn't qualify for some tournament or other and Ireland did, there was a good deal of support for the Irish from the English.

I've never understood the animosity some Scots (or Welsh for that matter) have for the English.

spen666

Nuggs wrote:

spen666 wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

Looks like a bit of rain has stopped play for today. Looking forward to Murray beating Nadal later if they make it out on to court today :roll: Well, hopefully he'll give him a good game at least. Nice that our boy is doing ok.

He's most certainly not my boy

I'll be giving him the same support he gave the England football team at the last football world cup.

You remember when asked who he would be supporting he said "England's opponents". He has no chance of this Englishman's support

And do you offer unstinting support to Scotland?

I certainly don't, which is why I'm happy to adopt Murray as my own.

Far more British than Greg Ruszedski anyhow...

I see no reason to support Murray - he clearly doesn't seem to want to support fellow Britains, so I see no reason to support him. Clearly in his view their is no such thing as "national" loyalty.

That being the case there is no inherent reason to support him

spen666

Heavymental wrote:

Well, as an unwelcome Englishman in Wales I'm used to those kind of comments so maybe I'm hardened to them a bit as I chose to let it wash over me. I'm sure Murray isn't stupid enough to be a proper, chip on his shoulder, flag waving nationalist and I think the 'Whoever England are playing' comment is one that falls out of every Welsh/Scots mouth when asked that question so I'll still be cheering him on as he's a Brit. I'm sure he'll grow out of making those type of comments knowing now how dangerous they can be to his popularity.

When he apolgies for the remark, then and only then will I not hold it against him

heavymental

spen666 wrote:

I see no reason to support Murray - he clearly doesn't seem to want to support fellow Britains, so I see no reason to support him. Clearly in his view their is no such thing as "national" loyalty.

That being the case there is no inherent reason to support him

Well, thats his view (well, as far as we know). Doesn't mean you should follow that thinking just because he wouldn't support England. Stick with your own national loyalty and cheer the fella on. Anyway, I think Tennis support is slightly different anyway, as are most sports played by individuals, boxing for example. Its not really got the same tribalism as football or rugby has it?

Saying that, I haven't been to a pub in Scotland recently. I imagine if I had, and had been on the end of the usual nationalist mutterings you get in most pubs over the borders I'd be hoping the wee prik gets his ars handed to him on a plate by Nadal. Having been exposed to plenty of Welsh nationalists I'm more than happy to see Wales get a drubbing these days. When I first arrived I would have cheered them on with relish, unfortunately, being exposed to plenty of nationalistic hostility has soured me over the years. :roll:

Anyway, here's hoping he does well. I like him and his brother, they seem like a good couple of chaps and his mums seems nice too

DavidBelcher

will3 wrote:

I seem to remember when England didn't qualify for some tournament or other and Ireland did, there was a good deal of support for the Irish from the English.

In the case of the 1994 World Cup, it's hardly surprising given the thinly-disguised Englishness of some of Big Jack's squad selections, e.g. Andy Townsend; 'nuff said.

David

spen666

Heavymental wrote:

spen666 wrote:

I see no reason to support Murray - he clearly doesn't seem to want to support fellow Britains, so I see no reason to support him. Clearly in his view their is no such thing as "national" loyalty.

That being the case there is no inherent reason to support him

Well, thats his view (well, as far as we know). Doesn't mean you should follow that thinking just because he wouldn't support England. Stick with your own national loyalty and cheer the fella on. ...

I do - I support the ENGLISH

Is Murray English? No- then no reason to support him

will3

It's only a game of bit-bat not an international incident......

He will lose today. It's tradtional for brits to fail.

iainment

Is the nationality of the player relevant? As far as I can see apart from the Davis or Wightman Cups no. This is an individual sport.
It would be more to the mark to call him a Fred Perry player as that is his sponsor.

heavymental

spen666 wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

spen666 wrote:

I see no reason to support Murray - he clearly doesn't seem to want to support fellow Britains, so I see no reason to support him. Clearly in his view their is no such thing as "national" loyalty.

That being the case there is no inherent reason to support him

Well, thats his view (well, as far as we know). Doesn't mean you should follow that thinking just because he wouldn't support England. Stick with your own national loyalty and cheer the fella on. ...

I do - I support the ENGLISH

Is Murray English? No- then no reason to support him

Oh right. I thought you were saying you had a national loyalty so would usually cheer him on but for the comment he made? Anyway, I don't blame you. I've had enough sht off the Welsh to justify only ever cheering on the English but I don't really regard tennis in the same way as I do footie or rugby so I'm happy to cheer him on.

robmanic1

It's not a nationality thing with me, I just think he's a bit of a git.

Mark Alexander

Heavymental wrote:

spen666 wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

Looks like a bit of rain has stopped play for today. Looking forward to Murray beating Nadal later if they make it out on to court today :roll: Well, hopefully he'll give him a good game at least. Nice that our boy is doing ok.

He's most certainly not my boy

I'll be giving him the same support he gave the England football team at the last football world cup.

You remember when asked who he would be supporting he said "England's opponents". He has no chance of this Englishman's support

Well, as an unwelcome Englishman in Wales I'm used to those kind of comments so maybe I'm hardened to them a bit as I chose to let it wash over me. I'm sure Murray isn't stupid enough to be a proper, chip on his shoulder, flag waving nationalist and I think the 'Whoever England are playing' comment is one that falls out of every Welsh/Scots mouth when asked that question so I'll still be cheering him on as he's a Brit. I'm sure he'll grow out of making those type of comments knowing now how dangerous they can be to his popularity.

Heavy metal...
Where were you? As always in these things, it's a minority. That "whoever England are playing" comment is not out of every Welshman mouth. I support Wales, Then british teams. I've never liked the Nationalist songs. For riugby, England is a traditional rivalry that has an underlying mutual respect.

I know members of Plaid Cymru who wouldn't sing those.
Rmember, it's a minority.

I don't usually get riled by bigoted people like you but, you really are tarnishing us all with the same brush and that is so small-minded.

Finally, to Murray. He's British. End of story.We supported Greg Ruzedski, a Canadian.
I think Murray's had a bad rap. He seemed stand-offish before the last match and now has the avid support of the English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish (British) crowd. Even more yesterday than Henman did. Hopefully, he's turned a corner.

Salsiccia

Heavymental wrote:

spen666 wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

spen666 wrote:

I see no reason to support Murray - he clearly doesn't seem to want to support fellow Britains, so I see no reason to support him. Clearly in his view their is no such thing as "national" loyalty.

That being the case there is no inherent reason to support him

Well, thats his view (well, as far as we know). Doesn't mean you should follow that thinking just because he wouldn't support England. Stick with your own national loyalty and cheer the fella on. ...

I do - I support the ENGLISH

Is Murray English? No- then no reason to support him

Oh right. I thought you were saying you had a national loyalty so would usually cheer him on but for the comment he made? Anyway, I don't blame you. I've had enough sht off the Welsh to justify only ever cheering on the English but I don't really regard tennis in the same way as I do footie or rugby so I'm happy to cheer him on.

It always makes me laugh when England/Wales/Scotland/whoever fans get the hump because other 'home' nations won't support them. Never heard of local rivalries? You don't see Celtic fans cheering on Rangers in Europe...

And the 'you should support us because we're all British' argument - do the British support Germany when they play a South American team because they're European, like us?

Until we have GB teams in Football and Rugby Union you'll never get the 'home' nations supporting the same team.

graham56

Well that`s the end of this thread , the sweaty got beat

Salsiccia

graham56 wrote:

Well that`s the end of this thread , the sweaty got beat

Aye, by the *allegedly* EPO'd Spaniard

fto-si

Me thinks Mr Murray was just given a lesson in how to play tennis.

Salsiccia

I think he was; I also have a sneaking suspicion that he has had a lesson in 'preparation'.

Mark Alexander

Are we all in shock? :shock:
Nope.
However, he did well. Could any of us play better......?
Nope.

Do we still have the Woodbridge's?

spen666

Mark Alexander wrote:

...

Heavy metal...
Where were you? As always in these things, it's a minority. That "whoever England are playing" comment is not out of every Welshman mouth. I support Wales, Then british teams. I've never liked the Nationalist songs. For riugby, England is a traditional rivalry that has an underlying mutual respect.

Its not the Welsh who are accused of saying that, its your beloved anti English scot Murray

I know members of Plaid Cymru who wouldn't sing those.
Rmember, it's a minority.

in this case it is a majority- its 100% of Andrew Murray the tennis player who said it

I don't usually get riled by bigoted people like you but, you really are tarnishing us all with the same brush and that is so small-minded.

i think the only person people are tarring is Andrew Murray- the person who said those remarks

[/quote[] a bit like you in the following paragraph when you claim WE supported Greg Ruzedski?

Finally, to Murray. He's British. End of story.

How about I support Nadal because he's European and we are all European or perhaps I'll support some american because he is a human and we are all human?

We supported Greg Ruzedski, a Canadian.
I think Murray's had a bad rap. He seemed stand-offish before the last match and now has the avid support of the English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish (British) crowd. Even more yesterday than Henman did. Hopefully, he's turned a corner.

I think you will find that far less English people supported Murray than supported Henman. Why? Well Henman didn't say he supported England's opponents.

Murray is Scottish- i'm not therefore I have no reason to support him.

As I say above you ctry the he's "British" argument - what about he's European, He's a human etc- it is just artificial banding

heavymental

Mark Alexander wrote:

I don't usually get riled by bigoted people like you but, you really are tarnishing us all with the same brush and that is so small-minded.

Are you saying I'm bigoted? Or that you don't get riled like I do!?

Anyway, I'm not sure it is a minority. I've found after 10 years in SW Wales that most people have the anti english thing burned into their psyche at some level. Sometimes it may not be seen at all, and with others it bubbles so close under the surface that you can see it without anything being spoken. Thats just my experience I'm afraid. I would say I feel unwelcome here which is something I find hard to live with as I don 't feel I can call it home. I'm sure there's plenty of people for who it isn't an issue at all and in other areas its probably unnoticeable, but for me, living in a small, rural, tourist infested area, I see it frequently.

Poor Murray eh. Outclassed. But where's this EPO suggestion come from? Is he under suspiscion for any reason or was it because tennisd was mentioned in the Puerto thing?

will3

I thought this Murry chap said he was going to win the whole tournament?

redddraggon

Men's tennis is boring, at least womens tennis is often good to look at.

feersumendjinn

Separated at birth?

Salsiccia

Heavymental wrote:

Poor Murray eh. Outclassed. But where's this EPO suggestion come from? Is he under suspiscion for any reason or was it because tennisd was mentioned in the Puerto thing?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/05072006/3/other-sports-involved-blood-doping-scandal-dr-fuentes.html

Look at some of these players, Nadal included. As fast around the court and hitting the ball as hard at the end of 3 sets as they were in the first game. Remember the old adage 'if it looks too good to be true, it probably is'.

Mike Healey

And, of course, being, I think, 19 at the time, he said it in all seriousness and could never have been winding his questioner up?