Campag 11 speed launced
Smokin Joe
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It wasn't just a rumour, we are all now obsolete!
Queue long arguments between The Old Fart's Club and the Techno Freaks Group.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cam ... 58884.html
Queue long arguments between The Old Fart's Club and the Techno Freaks Group.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cam ... 58884.html
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"Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
Parktools :?:SheldonBrown0 -
Smokin Joe wrote:It wasn't just a rumour, we are all now obsolete!
Queue long arguments between The Old Fart's Club and the Techno Freaks Group.
Not to mention the Moth-Eaten Wallet Contingent (siding with The OFs Club), of which I'm a fully paid-up [1] member.
David
[1] Contradiction in terms?"It is not enough merely to win; others must lose." - Gore Vidal0 -
Actually, I think I can live with 'only' having ten speeds if the price I have to pay (in addition to the hefty financial one), is having to have such hideous levers on my bike.
OK I guess we'd all seen the development pics, but the real thing is out - and it's ugly as anything - the 'horn' on the top (Anyone remember Mavic Mektronic? Maybe. Anyone remember Mavic Mektronic as looking well designed? Didn't think so). What are those little cut outs about? To save weight? If the carbon was that heavy, the levers should be made of something else. I don't even like the graphics.
Rear mech looks nice though...0 -
Not only it is a headache for us cyclists its also a headache for the shops having to stock (or not) spares for all these changes in sprockets.
If I were a shop I;d boycott Campag stuff completely.
I'm a cyclist and will be doing from now on ! COme on brothers join the boycotting clan !0 -
i definitely want the new 11-speed stuff.
soon 10speed will be relegated to the 'obsolete' pile along with steel frames and other junk.
(lights blue touch paper, stands back - never to return to this thread)
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tell me gkerr4 - what are 11 sprockets gonna do for you that 10 don't ?0
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who cares - it's new kit!0
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soon 10speed will be relegated to the 'obsolete' pile along with steel frames and other junk.
I guess you're one of the noveau rich ? Ever ridden a steel frame ? Whats this other junck you're referring to ?
I'll be riding mine(and my Ti ones) long after your carbon frame has cracked and bitten the dust.........0 -
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you are welcome to your steel frames and stuff.
besides, I'll have changed my carbon frame long before it will crack as I will get sick of the sight of it / want something else anyway.
however...
it amazes me that people have this obsession with longevity - determined to run the same frames / wheels / components for ever - and then wonder why LBS shut down.
Had an interesting conversation in a large (independant) bike store - pretty much an LBS to me - although it was 35miles away. It was just before Xmas and I was asking how business was. The owner replied that things were good - that the sales in "low end' (he actually said low end junk) picked up in the run up to xmas but that the enthusiasts stuff sold all year anyway - he said there was a marked difference in customers over the past couple of years. His customers used to be determined to run a 1970's steel frame until it broke, "moaning about buying the odd innertube or chain every year" (his words) but there was a new breed of customer who "actually buys stuff" (again, his words).
he cited the new interest in cycling - as if it were the new golf - and obviously he was happy about this as his trade was picking up. his showroom was full of high end madone's, tarmacs and roubaix as well as a handful of pinarello bikes, Zipp wheels etc..
My point is - companies like Campag need to bring new 'stuff' out so that the 'new golfers' can spend their disposable incomes - this keeps them in business and ensures that the resellers - the LBS - stay in business too. They are not going to boycott campag any day soon...0 -
Personally I don't like the look of the brake levers / gear changers - far too prominent a profile. Since I am not that keen on carbon fiber either I am not too keen on the rear derailleur either. That said, does anyone have a guess about the chain longevity on such a set up? I thought that the chain on my DA 10spd was quite thin (compared to my Ultegra 9spd), but an 11spd chain must be quite flimsy looking :shock:
What do I ride? Now that's an Enigma!0 -
Agreed, the Ergo levers IMO are ugly compared to the present ones. I suspect that they are trying to make them similar to the electronic ergos. As for the rear mech, I think it looks quite tasty. Either way it's not something I'll be splashing out on in a hurry!!0
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So it is all about the bling??? At least that's the take I get from most of the posts. They
all seem to talk about ugly this or beautiful that. I must be sort of weird because I don't really pay much attention to peoples bikes and component groups other than casual
glances. I don't get down and inspect every detail of someones new ride. Usually a
quick glance tells me that it's a new bike with good components and what's not
to like. I'm more into innovation than bling. For instance, I think that the Sram Red
one piece cassette is a great idea. I'm unimpressed with carbon fiber in general because
I don't really see any innovation, just a bunch of copies of things made from metal and
they generally don't even offer any weight advantage. So there you have it, my daily
rant. When you get old it's what you do best. Just ask my wife.
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The levers are ugly...too many ripples although the wrst aspect is the slanting horn thing...the current carbon levers are just as cool looking as they day they were introduced in 2000.
The mech looks good and is clearly styled on the electric mech.I'd rather walk than use Shimano0 -
Is it just me who is diappointed that the groupset isn't renamed "Spinal Tap"
because it goes up to 11 so must be better0 -
If done properly and in certain applications, there very definitely is a weight advantage. For example for the Ergo levers there is a minimum size requirement for ergonomics, and given that a composite lever that size is plenty stiff and strong enough it is significantly lighter than the same size lever made of metal.dennisn wrote:I'm unimpressed with carbon fiber in general because
I don't really see any innovation, just a bunch of copies of things made from metal and
they generally don't even offer any weight advantage.0 -
I'm a bit disappointed with the cassette ranges on offer. At least some of the gaps will be removed on 11-25 but I'd have liked 11-26 or 11-27 as SRAM/Shimano are offering with 10 speed set-ups.0
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Don't be too quick to judge the ergos - they might be really comfortable!0
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Some more info and lots of pictures of Super Record, Record and Chorus components can be found here though the text is in Italian.
http://www.guidorubino.com/technews/200 ... e-11speed/
I thought that the Super Records perferated jockey wheels was going to be an exercise in shaving a couple of grams over the Record mech but it appears that even Chorus gets the though I believe Super Records jockey wheels will run on ceramic bearings.
Other things appear to be a slight dumbing down of Record rather than guilding the Super Record lily....for example the Record front mech and rear have lost their titanium bolts....most notably the Ti pivot bolt on the rear!!
Chorus brakes lose the hidden pivot design it's had for a good few years and the bearings so now it's more like 2008 Centaur!!I'd rather walk than use Shimano0 -
More info, this time in English here....of particular interest is the bearings on the bottom bracket which don't need grease...just oil to keep them quiet.
http://www.velonews.com/article/77895/t ... cord-groupI'd rather walk than use Shimano0 -
Interesting links Rob, thanks. It'll be interesting to see the weights when it's published. I wonder whether Record 11 will actually be lighter or heavier than Record 10?0
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I'd bet on lighter. 10 is lighter than nine.magliaceleste wrote:Interesting links Rob, thanks. It'll be interesting to see the weights when it's published. I wonder whether Record 11 will actually be lighter or heavier than Record 10?
Cycling Weekly quotes Campag answering the question of "Why 11", with "Why not?". They also claim their decision to go ahead with the extra cog was influenced by positive feedback from pro riders, dealers and cuctomers.0 -
The weights I've seen at http://www.light-bikes.de/website/new/2 ... ecord-2009 Record 11 is heavier than Record 10, but Super Record is lighter (no big surprises there given Record 11 seems to be slightly dumbed down to make way for SR).Smokin Joe wrote:
I'd bet on lighter. 10 is lighter than nine.magliaceleste wrote:Interesting links Rob, thanks. It'll be interesting to see the weights when it's published. I wonder whether Record 11 will actually be lighter or heavier than Record 10?0 -
Well, with all the 'wowing' going on (and lets face it, it does look uber sexy) has anyone got any inside info as to how much this gear is going to cost?
Furthermore, is there any more on the 10 speed hub compatability?0 -
I'm definitely buying it, looks gorgeous! Super Record for me and maybe Chorus on another bike.0
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unusually for campagnolo those levers and some of the pics i've seen of the super-record rear look an acquired taste. Doesn't mean i don't want it though.0
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I think the levers needed attention and the new ones look good. If they work as well as they say then IMO that is a big step in the right direction.0
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very sexy indeed.. I want this groupset but need a frameset worthy of putting it onto
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tabmaster wrote:Well, with all the 'wowing' going on (and lets face it, it does look uber sexy) has anyone got any inside info as to how much this gear is going to cost?
Absolutely - apparently Campag's "improvements" are the result of feedback from pros and amateurs according to the lead article on the BikeRadar homepage. I'd love to know which amateurs exactly - sponsored ones who get free/discounted equipment and ones with more disposable income than sense, presumably? As someone trying to keep a couple of bikes running on a limited budget, I feel left out in the cold somewhat, doubly so now that they've axed the entry-level groups.
David"It is not enough merely to win; others must lose." - Gore Vidal0 -
3leggeddog wrote:Is it just me who is diappointed that the groupset isn't renamed "Spinal Tap"
because it goes up to 11 so must be better
Quality!
Yeah, it is all a bit Spinal Tap. Interesting to note that Campag are ditching their lower end gruppos and thereby soley focusing on the enthusiasts end of the market. Not sure at all about those levers. I wonder if 2009 will see 11 speed filter down to Centuar and Veloce.
Current economic conditions are tough and will be getting tougher in the UK which could dent consumer's desire to buy updated top end kit. My 10 speed will have to do me, that's for sure, although if I had a spare couple of grand, it would be going to Vicenze.
I quite like the new levers and I would like to see how comfy there.0
