11 speed Campag out soon?

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  • DavidBelcher
    DavidBelcher Posts: 2,684
    robbarker wrote:
    If Campag made an all-metal 8 speed Record with the good old-fashioned clunky shifters, 25 grade bearings running in replacable shells, engineered impeccably as it used to be, I'd buy it like a shot.

    Good point, Rob - there must be a market out there for a robust, well-engineered gimmick-free 7sp or 8sp groupset; it'd sell well amongst touring and 'cross fans (maybe they could do a dedicated wide-profile canti brakeset as an option whilst they're about it?). The thicker chains and sprockets stand up better to punishment and continued exposure to water, salt and grit, which is why I still run 8sp for cyclo-cross, and will carry on doing so as long as the spare bits are available.

    David
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  • vbc
    vbc Posts: 1,104
    I remember reading a few years ago that both Shimano and Campagnolo have taken patents on relevant 12 speed parts out of caution, whether we'll actually see them is another matter.

    I also remember the C+ staffs negative opinions of 9 speed groupsets when they were introduced. Would be interesting to see what the cycling press will make of any further development, although they seem to go for anything that the big boys market these days without reservations.
  • dcj
    dcj Posts: 395
    Maybe 10 speed is plenty on normal terrain but there are sportives in this country - let alone abroad - where 34x26 and 50x13 leave something to be desired at both ends.

    There were times on the dartmoor classic when 50x12 or 11 would have been good and I definitely struggled on Dartmeet and could have been faster with a 28 sprocket.

    I say bring it on. I remember when 42-52 and 13-21 5 speed was normal :wink:
  • JC.152
    JC.152 Posts: 645
    These 3 pages about Campag 11 speed are just like Hutch's articles in Cycling Weekly a few months ago about things that cyclists like, such as dry days and what cycists don't like, just change. In it he says how there was the same outrage at carbon frames saying they would fall apart and the upgrade of gears on a casette. Theres Lemond using tri bars as well to win the tour which caused some trouble saying that he should'nt
  • mrushton
    mrushton Posts: 5,182
    Well,now I may be a cynic but on the day that Shimano announce a new DA linup, Campag get the debate heated by saying there will be 11 speed, therby diluting shimanos publicity. I'm surprised SRAM haven't announced their new gruppo or electronic shifting at the same time
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  • andrewgturnbull
    andrewgturnbull Posts: 3,861
    vbc wrote:
    I remember reading a few years ago that both Shimano and Campagnolo have taken patents on relevant 12 speed parts out of caution, whether we'll actually see them is another matter.

    I also remember the C+ staffs negative opinions of 9 speed groupsets when they were introduced. Would be interesting to see what the cycling press will make of any further development, although they seem to go for anything that the big boys market these days without reservations.

    Hi there.

    I thought it was 14 speeds in that patent. Compostite chains will allow things to become a lot thinner...

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  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    I've heard 16 quoted somewhere, heaven only knows what some on this forum would say if 16 speed came out. :lol:

    Personally 10 speed close ratio beginning at 11-23 will cover most situations if your fit enough! but why not 11 speed, it will make things abit better
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  • Tom Butcher
    Tom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    I suppose the why not is that people fear increased cost and decreased reliability and longevity for a very marginal benefit. Like someone else said - I'd use a modern 8 speed set up if they could make one less temperamental and longer lasting than current 10 speed - certainly for UK racing I don't think many need a huge range of gears and if I'm not racing then does a slight gap in the ratios really matter?
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  • campagsarge
    campagsarge Posts: 434
    Aye, its the cost implications for me but I have a choice in not bowing to marketing and continue to run my current set up. I guess the problem would come when trying to source outdated kit.

    16 speed - now that is just bonkers! Of course if there was no such thing as innovation we would still be riding on wooden rims.
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    11 speed may be 'evolution', but it certainly isn't innovation............

    And as someone has already said, past 9 speed the law of diminidhing returns kicks in.

    And I know one thing for sure - my wallet will surely diminish if I keep having to 'upgrade' when I don't need or want to !
  • El Gordo
    El Gordo Posts: 394
    Hopefully there will come a point where they really can't squeaze any more cogs in and will have to do somthing truly inovative like a super lightweight CVT hub. Until that day I'll just battle on with my mere 9 speed.
  • Sea_Green_Incorruptible
    Sea_Green_Incorruptible Posts: 431
    Tee hee. Reminds me of the razor blade wars. What are we up to now? six blades or something ridiculous like that?
  • campagsarge
    campagsarge Posts: 434
    11 speed may be 'evolution', but it certainly isn't innovation............

    Yep, you are right there, thanks for correcting me. :wink:
  • pliptrot
    pliptrot Posts: 582
    Thank goodness there are others out there like me. I am still on 7 and 8 speed Campag and 9 speed Shimano, and intend to remain so, for the good reasons of durability and other such unsexy considerations.

    Thank God for ebay. I daren't even go in my LBS these days.
  • El Gordo
    El Gordo Posts: 394
    Sea_Green_Incorruptible wrote:
    Tee hee. Reminds me of the razor blade wars. What are we up to now? six blades or something ridiculous like that?

    I saw a razor advert the other day which featured like 5 blades on one side but also a single one on the other "for precision". Talk about going full circle. I can't understand why some folks actually buy in to this tosh.
  • gregd
    gregd Posts: 2
    edited June 2008
    i hope the shift levers in the spy photos aren't the finished product. i much prefer the traditional look of the current levers.

    it's official. just checked cyclingnews.com and they have confirmed the new look of the campy (sorry, but campag is dissonant to me. here in japan they say "campa" FYI) 11 speed. i guess i'll get used to it. i didn't like the look of the carbon levers at first. what is everybody else thinking about the aesthetics?
  • aracer
    aracer Posts: 1,649
    El Gordo wrote:
    Sea_Green_Incorruptible wrote:
    Tee hee. Reminds me of the razor blade wars. What are we up to now? six blades or something ridiculous like that?

    I saw a razor advert the other day which featured like 5 blades on one side but also a single one on the other "for precision". Talk about going full circle. I can't understand why some folks actually buy in to this tosh.
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  • gregd
    gregd Posts: 2
    what does everybody think of the more shimano-like shift levers?
  • campagsarge
    campagsarge Posts: 434
    A bit too Shimano-like for me. I do prefer the look and feel of the current Campag shifters. I only hope that as the new shifters are still prototype the design will change a bit.
  • magliaceleste
    magliaceleste Posts: 748
    Like horrible joysticks. I liked the size and the flat top of the current levers. I'm hoping they look better in reality.
  • acorn_user
    acorn_user Posts: 1,137
    Interesting that everyone is heading towards the middle ground in terms of shifter shape.
  • 4candles
    4candles Posts: 240
    11 speed.. cassettes like a stack of crockery sorry pizzas, why are Campag. adding weight to their groupsets, when other manufacturers are shedding it ?

    Obviously when you purchace this groupset you'll have to move somewhere more hilly to make good use of the larger sprockets.. but now they've got you going up steeper hills lets hope they've fixed their spongy brakes.
  • tenor
    tenor Posts: 278
    Having an extra cog did not help Campag riders beat Lance on at least his first four/five Tour victories. Am sticking with Campag 9 for as long as possible. Perfect.
  • campagsarge
    campagsarge Posts: 434
    I might be wrong but I think Lance used a 9 speed set-up on his TT bikes. He also favoured a down-tube shifter for his front mech as well.
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    campagsarge wrote:
    I might be wrong but I think Lance used a 9 speed set-up on his TT bikes.

    Well would have done wouldn't he until 10speed came out.
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  • aracer
    aracer Posts: 1,649
    campagsarge wrote:
    He also favoured a down-tube shifter for his front mech as well.
    That was before 6.8 when the weight saving was worthwhile.
  • Tom Butcher
    Tom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    Be interesting how many gears on the back we get before people decide they don't need more than a single front chainring.

    Don't agree that campag brakes are spongy - must be a set up problem because I'm using Centaur and they are very impressive - noticeably better than the (admittedly long drop) Shimano jobs on my audax/training bike.
    it's a hard life if you don't weaken.
  • campagsarge
    campagsarge Posts: 434
    edited June 2008
    redddraggon wrote:

    Well would have done wouldn't he until 10speed came out.

    :lol: Pendant Mr RedDragon. It tickled me though.
  • aracer
    aracer Posts: 1,649
    Tom Butcher wrote:
    Be interesting how many gears on the back we get before people decide they don't need more than a single front chainring.
    Provided you're not riding somewhere really hilly, then 12 gears will give you the same range and spacing as a 9-speed double. A 12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-23-26-29-32 cassette with a 53 ring gives much the same range as a conventional 12-23 and 53-39. The problem then is poor chainline at the ends of the cassette, along with no options if you then decide you need a lower gear for the mountains. Oh, and it's doubtful whether it would be lighter with such big cogs, and you'd still need some sort of front chain device in place of a front mech (ask David Millar).
  • Tom Butcher
    Tom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    Would chain line be a problem if the front chainring was smack in the middle of the cassette ?
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