11 speed Campag out soon?
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this has been out at Campyonly. It will use an ultrathin chain. Wonder if they will use a cnc machined cassette a la SRAM. Looks like carbon DA has been secondplaced befor it even gets released
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Fellow (Jeff?) at Mercian was telling me about this early this week. He's pretty horrified by it all.0
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yup its official. as they have released images and specs of campag bora ultra twos that staet they are 9,10 and 11 speed compatible.
the new 2009 stuff is apparently going to feature a new line plus a redesigned ergo lever. No news on the electronic gruppo though.
11 is getting silly no? surely 10 is enough?
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Built in obsolescence, wait for the 12 speed in a couple of years time.0
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vbc wrote:Built in obsolescence, wait for the 12 speed in a couple of years time.
That wouldn't surprise me, to be honest! I agree with TheGreatGatsby; 10sp is more than enough, and I haven't even upgraded to that yet - I'm still using Mirage 9sp. At least it looks like the 11sp hubs will still allow the fitting of 9sp and 10sp cassettes for folk like me whose wallets can't keep up with current trends.
By the way, re. this business of Campag 10sp evolving into 11sp - did anyone else think of Spinal Tap on reading it ("it's better 'cause it goes all the way up to 11")?
David"It is not enough merely to win; others must lose." - Gore Vidal0 -
RedJohn wrote:
Why?proto wrote:Fellow (Jeff?) at Mercian was telling me about this early this week. He's pretty horrified by it all.
Hi there.
More stock for a shop to have to buy in... The continually changing incompatible groupsets must be a nightmare. People come expecting spares for 8, 9, 10 and now possibly 11 speed drivetrains...
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Could this just be a distraction from Campag for something like its electric groupset? LIke Shimano's carbon chainset last year which has no part in next years updated groupset/electric groupset.0
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I suspect they can't get their electronic grouspset reliable enough to retail, and they know that Shinano are about to launch theirs.
The marketing boys need a quick coup so they are doing what they do best of late; headline-grabbing bling with compromised engineering.
I need to replace the transmission on my Audax bike soon. If Campag made an all-metal 8 speed Record with the good old-fashioned clunky shifters, 25 grade bearings running in replacable shells, engineered impeccably as it used to be, I'd buy it like a shot. What a shame they are putting all their engineering effort into feeding the marketing machine.0 -
I think it's great - maybe once they get to 15 and figure out how to run tiny cogs like 8T, I'll be able to get rid of all the front shifting and have a single shifter for all my gears with a 46 up front
OK, maybe not :roll:0 -
its NOT CAMPY !!!! its Bloody Campag or Campagnolo.....bloody americans0
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I am all for innovation but I cannot see me rushing out to purchase and 11 cluster cassette. Not sure what benefits I would get from this kind of set-up.
Be interesting to see what the new shifters will look like though.0 -
after using for the first time a close ratio 11-19 on an 8 speed, instead of a 11-32 (MTB cassette which i had been using for racing), i can see why 9,10 or 11 speed would all be beneficial.
I had not really noticed the cadence change going from one gear to another till i went back to the 11-32...
I am thinking, 8 speed block with 11-19 on is to close for me, need a 21 or 23, but then with a 10 speed i could have that on top oft he close 11-19... and with an 11, could have a 26 there and still have close ratios for crusing on the flat and little bit left for climbing0 -
Its a disgraceful.............Campag ought to be ashamed of themselves.
No wonder Jeff at Mercians is shudering - I expect all the other Campag stockists are too.
9 speed is more than enough for most folk
I won't be buying anymore Campag stuff from now on.
C+ ought to be standing up for the consumer here ................so come on C+ whats your stance on 11 speed ? Lets face it its not really necessary is it ?
I vote that we should all boycott Campag 11 speed !
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This is all a bit gillette isnt it, how many blades/cogs do you need.
I really hope campag name the 11 speed groupset "spinal tap"0 -
Time was when 8 speed seemed outrageous! I`m sure I`m not alone in recalling a 5 speed or EVEN a six as being the standard . If the mechanics of it all work under all conditions why not???
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I think its probably a bit early to be saying that everyone should boycott campag 11 speed when there aren't even any reviews from testers, the pros or Campagnolo themselves to see whether its any good, but their electric groupset did have some problems earlier in the year at Flanders so it could just to give Campag users something new to spend their money on.0
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Doesn't making the sprockets thinner mean they wear quicker and a thinner chain potentially weaker?0
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Hi there.
These are exactly the same arguments we all went through when the 10 speed stuff was announced.
Now, I don't disagree with the technical arguments above, but's lets face facts:
We'll all buy it eventually! We did last time, and we will again.
Cheers, Andy0 -
Not if we - the consumers - don't buy it !
I urge everyone to put a stop to this madness and boycott 11 speed !0 -
...yeabut, we said all this last time too.0
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Where do they go once the cassette has the widest range the rear mech can use and the increments are all one tooth?
It would be good if the sprocket range were wide enough to not need a front mech.0 -
I disagrre Andrew..............I wasn't(amd am not ) a fan of 10 speed..............however I think the majority of people thought that it would 'logically' max out at 10 cogs so were quite prepared to accept that.
But where is it going to end ? We as consumers have the power - but only if we are united. Just look at the fuel protests. If we roll over then they'll be no end to it.0 -
Its all right for the consumers to boycott it as we'll just buy Shimano or Sram but it would'nt work with the pros as they get given the gears if they are sponsered by Campag and probably don't have much choice unless they are a big name and get listened to.
Anyway 11 speed could be the best innovation ever no ones tried it yet.0 -
Anyway 11 speed could be the best innovation ever no ones tried it yet.
Yeah right - ranks along side Ergo levers/STI and clipless pedals doesn't it ! Er - NOT !0 -
itisaboutthebike wrote:I disagrre Andrew..............I wasn't(amd am not ) a fan of 10 speed..............however I think the majority of people thought that it would 'logically' max out at 10 cogs so were quite prepared to accept that.
But where is it going to end ? We as consumers have the power - but only if we are united. Just look at the fuel protests. If we roll over then they'll be no end to it.
Hi there.
I'd kinda guessed you weren't a 10speed fan!
I wasn't a big fan either, but over the last 3 or 4 years as I've bought/acquired new bikes I've finally manged to get them all using the same number of cogs (track bike excepted). At one point in the past I had a 5, 7, 8 and 9 speed wheels in the shed, which was a f*****g nightmare.
There is however a good reason why the manufacturers put sooo much effort into marketing. The reason is that we fall for it every time... Well maybe not me and you, but everyone else yeah? ;-)
I'm not sure what the fuel protests have acheived? They just convince me to ride more and drive less when I stop and realise exactly what petrol costs.
Cheers,, Andy0 -
The cynic in me says that after 11 speed , there will be 12+. If 11 speed is popular, then the development goes on and 9 speed will be discontinued. Campagnolo are a business and want to make money and stay ahead of the competition.Those new 'Red' levers that were limited but now may be more available suggested to me that Campag had a lot of 10 speed levers and by tweaking the internals, they create something more 'desirable' So now, having gor your new Record g/set with Red levers and thinking you are 'da bomb', you will need to think about going 11 speed, poss. electronic (coincidence that those 2 may come out together) and those shiny new levers wont be compatible with 11 speed. I'll be surpised if they dont bring out cnc machined cassettes a la SRAM, except Campag will be in Ti and 'only' available for Record to begin with.M.Rushton0
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DavidBelcher wrote:vbc wrote:Built in obsolescence, wait for the 12 speed in a couple of years time.
That wouldn't surprise me, to be honest! I agree with TheGreatGatsby; 10sp is more than enough, and I haven't even upgraded to that yet - I'm still using Mirage 9sp. At least it looks like the 11sp hubs will still allow the fitting of 9sp and 10sp cassettes for folk like me whose wallets can't keep up with current trends.
By the way, re. this business of Campag 10sp evolving into 11sp - did anyone else think of Spinal Tap on reading it ("it's better 'cause it goes all the way up to 11")?
David
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Apart from the page taken from the 2009 wheel catalogue, there seems to be little other documentation covering the other components to support this - at the moment anyway. I'd have thought that by June Campagnolo would have to be displaying 11-speed bits for build-up on top-end 2009 bikes. Its not a major issue to declare that a wheel will be 11-speed compatible - the overall width is set and it would be a big risk to wheel strength make the cassette even wider, so 11 sporckets have to fit in the same space as 10 (or 9). Rumours of an 11-speed groupset have been floating for a long while now. Perhaps Campag are just putting down a place marker.
Perhaps the imminent arrival of the D-A electronic is driving this. Given the price discrepancy between current D-A and Record, an electronic D-A groupset may not be significantly more expensive than mechanical Record. As there seems to be a delay in the Campag electronic group at the moment, something needs to be announced to keep the profile high.
If only I were a trackie, I wouldn't have to worry about any of this!'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
With Shimano's new Dura-Ace offerings, it be a good opportunity for Campagnolo to utilise the extra gear to broaden their cassette ranges without horrible gaps.
For example I see Shimano are doing an 11-27T, for me this would be an ideal cassette.0
