LPR Brakes

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited May 2008 in Pro race
These guys are the most eyebrow raising team of the year for me. They're truely a bunch of robots.

So we all know Di Luca was caught up in the Oil for Drugs scandal, Savoldelli uses Dr Ferrari as his prepatore and the team signed the Buffalo last year when he couldn't get a gig elsewhere.

But what else do we know?
Any other dodgy linkage?
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Spezialetti was involved in Oil for Drugs as well. He was the rider who went with DDL to meet Dr Santuccione.
  • Arkibal
    Arkibal Posts: 850
    This team together with Sella's team are probably the dirtiest there are....
    Well, not forgetting LA MMS...
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    iainf72 wrote:
    These guys are the most eyebrow raising team of the year for me. They're truely a bunch of robots.

    So we all know Di Luca was caught up in the Oil for Drugs scandal, Savoldelli uses Dr Ferrari as his prepatore and the team signed the Buffalo last year when he couldn't get a gig elsewhere.

    But what else do we know?
    Any other dodgy linkage?

    I'm pretty sure there is a reliable witness who placed DDL on the Grassy Knoll just before the cavalcade arrived.
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  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    I know they spent alot of time on the front yesterday, but they didn't exactly put a huge dent in Sella's lead, and as soon as it got serious, LPR faded away. It was hardly the performance of a well drilled JB team.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    Jez mon wrote:
    It was hardly the performance of a well drilled JB team.
    Neither was Astana's*

    * - yes, I know they were all supoosed to have been eating pies on the beach for the last 6 weeks 'cos they weren't gonna ride
  • Arkibal
    Arkibal Posts: 850
    Here are the riders who refused to sign the anti-doping charter prior the Giro:
    The 9 riders of CSF Group - Navigare (including the Argentine Richeze who was not allowed to start after testing positive for steroids) ; 7 riders from Serramenti PVC - Diquigiovanni (only Simoni and Hondo signed) ; 4 riders from Tinkoff, Ignatiev, Brutt, Kiryenka, Klimov ; and 5 from LPR Bailetti, Bosisio, Chiarini, Ermeti and Pietropolli

    suspicious....
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Why are you allowed to ride without signing the anti doping charter, and why do any of us take anything from it anyway?
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    LPR checking the break to under 2 minutes, over the San Pellegrino.

    Great to see a silver train, instead of the usual fanboy blue. :wink:

    Seems one man's suspicion is another man's free pass.

    Savoldelli......Ferrari.....there's a link there, somewhere?.......Now let me see....Ah yes!.....Savoldelli =Ferrari = Discovery= Ferrari's mate Lance.

    You want to look for something suspicious, check out the list of JB's boys who have had Dr Orange Juice as their personal physician/advisor. Who does Leipheimer use, again?


    Maybe that's what LPR stands for: "Lance's Power Rangers" :roll:
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • drenkrom
    drenkrom Posts: 1,062
    Did the Giro anti-doping thingy have the famous "one year's salary" clause in it?
  • colint
    colint Posts: 1,707
    Well done, no doping story in the press so lets make up our own. Isn't there some sort of big race going on that we could talk about ?
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784

    You want to look for something suspicious, check out the list of JB's boys who have had Dr Orange Juice as their personal physician/advisor. Who does Leipheimer use, again?

    Max Testa

    Savoldelli went to Disco via Ferrari (he recommended him)

    Huge chunks of Liquigas and Barloworld appear to be Ferrari driven
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    iainf72 wrote:

    You want to look for something suspicious, check out the list of JB's boys who have had Dr Orange Juice as their personal physician/advisor. Who does Leipheimer use, again?

    Max Testa

    Savoldelli went to Disco via Ferrari (he recommended him)

    Huge chunks of Liquigas and Barloworld appear to be Ferrari driven

    and half of USPS went to Ferrari via the recommendation of Merckx and Kev Livingston.
    Fair to say large chunks of the peloton are visiting the good doctor.

    Interesting that Tyler Hamilton had to leave Michele, when he went to Phonak, as it was seen as a conflict of interests. That's when his troubles began.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Interesting that Tyler Hamilton had to leave Michele, when he went to Phonak, as it was seen as a conflict of interests. That's when his troubles began.

    Think your timescales are out a bit there. Tyler started working with Cecchini (and his dogsbody Fuentes) when he went to CSC because he did most of CSC's training. Tyler continued to work with him when he went to Phonak (and last year at Tinkoff)

    Wasn't there talk that Lance had a deal with Michele that he wouldn't coach any other TdF challengers.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Yes, I missed out his year with CSC, as he was "trouble free", but, of course, he was with Cecchini, while at 60%. Yes TDF rivals were a no go.

    On a side issue, some interesting developments on OP.
    http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/20 ... 41326.html

    Not being fluent in Spanish, but a friend has had a brief look.
    there are still outstanding issues with OP.

    They want the institute of toxicology to look at the harmful effects of EPO

    There are likely to be new charges against various cyclists amongst them Alejandro Valverde (Valv/Piti) following demands from the UCI and AMA
    :wink:
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Arkibal
    Arkibal Posts: 850
    LPR checking the break to under 2 minutes, over the San Pellegrino.

    Great to see a silver train, instead of the usual fanboy blue. :wink:

    Seems one man's suspicion is another man's free pass.

    Savoldelli......Ferrari.....there's a link there, somewhere?.......Now let me see....Ah yes!.....Savoldelli =Ferrari = Discovery= Ferrari's mate Lance.

    You want to look for something suspicious, check out the list of JB's boys who have had Dr Orange Juice as their personal physician/advisor. Who does Leipheimer use, again?


    Wow, you really can't help yourself!
    Bringing Lance into the mix after 3 years of his retirement shows some sort of obsessive behaviour! Let it go man...
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Arkibal wrote:
    This team together with Sella's team are probably the dirtiest there are....
    Well, not forgetting LA MMS...
    Having trouble with those quote buttons?
    I was merely showing that when you start pointing accusatory fingers, you'd better know where the trail ends.
    I'm ambivalent about Armstrong, but thought it might strike the usual raw nerve with some.
    Necessary, if we are to avoid all this hypocracy.
    It certainly worked with you.
    Ferrari has "touched" a lot of riders, as Iain has said.
    You can't pick 'n' mix who from his list as clients you paint as dopers,
    while, in the same breathe, praise others.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Arkibal
    Arkibal Posts: 850
    Sorry, not meaning to offend you, but you brought LA into the thread, who has nothing to do with cycling anymore....
    I'm happy he is gone, and can't understand why people still bring him up?
  • micron
    micron Posts: 1,843
    +1 BS, but I see many of the fanboys are pointing the finger at Sella and his team on the basis that Sella has outperformed the Second Coming that is Alberto Contador on two stages where he might have actually shown his talent instead of following the wheels :wink:
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Sella has put very strong back to back performances together, which will put him under suspicion. However, the time gaps may well be slightly flattering, they contenders let him go off and them fight amongst themselves later in the day.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Birillo
    Birillo Posts: 417
    The way that Sella and his CSF Group - Navigare team mates shot up the mountains today reminded me of the good old days when one of the smaller teams always managed to unveil a climbing prodigy at the Tour. Now which team was it? Ah yes, Kelme . . . oh dear.
  • thamacdaddy
    thamacdaddy Posts: 590
    Only having seriously started to watch pro cycling since last years TDF (only had a passing TDF interest before that) I am still a little in the dark on the connections between anyone in the pelaton and all the possible dirty riders however I get the impression anyone and everyone who puts in a superhuman performance is guilty by association right?

    So I am just wondering who out of the many famed top riders or contenders especially in the Giro is actually someone they feel is not dirty?

    Last year tdf about the only guy in the top running positions anyone felt was clean was evans and yet peo[ple's complaints with him is he was a wheel sucker.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    micron wrote:
    +1 BS, but I see many of the fanboys are pointing the finger at Sella and his team on the basis that Sella has outperformed the Second Coming that is Alberto Contador on two stages where he might have actually shown his talent instead of following the wheels :wink:

    I'm sure I've asked this before but didn't get an answer. Do other teams have "fanboys" or is it just USPS/Discovery/Astana? Just curious.
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  • thamacdaddy
    thamacdaddy Posts: 590
    I got to admit to being a bit of a high road fanboy this season but its more of a case of following wiggins and cav and not their obvious dodgy past as tmobile etc.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    DaveyL wrote:
    micron wrote:
    +1 BS, but I see many of the fanboys are pointing the finger at Sella and his team on the basis that Sella has outperformed the Second Coming that is Alberto Contador on two stages where he might have actually shown his talent instead of following the wheels :wink:

    I'm sure I've asked this before but didn't get an answer. Do other teams have "fanboys" or is it just USPS/Discovery/Astana? Just curious.

    Well the Dutch and Basques heavily support Rabobank and Euskatel. T-Mobile used to have some nutter fans in Ullrich's day.
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  • gut feeling there dos seem to be something odd about csf and how well they are doing, sella was aweosme yesterday an would have used a massive amount of energy, and also with his attempted attacks on other stages, but to do it again today just seemed suspect, hope i'm wrong.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    RichN95 wrote:
    DaveyL wrote:
    micron wrote:
    +1 BS, but I see many of the fanboys are pointing the finger at Sella and his team on the basis that Sella has outperformed the Second Coming that is Alberto Contador on two stages where he might have actually shown his talent instead of following the wheels :wink:

    I'm sure I've asked this before but didn't get an answer. Do other teams have "fanboys" or is it just USPS/Discovery/Astana? Just curious.

    Well the Dutch and Basques heavily support Rabobank and Euskatel. T-Mobile used to have some nutter fans in Ullrich's day.

    Yes, but they just seem to be described as "fans". I've never heard the "fanboy" phrase in relation to any team other than USPS/Disco and now Astana. Odd that.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    DaveyL wrote:

    Yes, but they just seem to be described as "fans". I've never heard the "fanboy" phrase in relation to any team other than USPS/Disco and now Astana. Odd that.

    It's because USPS / Disco / Astana are the axis of evil. Or anyone who likes riders on the team must be clueless newbies.

    I find it curious people are fans of "teams" Yes there are teams but it's really an individual sport - I find I like some riders on teams yet the others leave me cold. Maybe that's just me.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    You see, ultimately, this is our legacy.
    Cycling doping traditions have turned us all into sceptics, decrying each outstanding performance as tarnished. We haven't a clue as to whether to believe our eyes, or not.

    Logic dictates that the Navigares are doped to the gills and unfortunately, it's probably the case.
    The thread is called LPR.
    One of the first attacks, here, was directed at Simoni's PVC team, for not signing a meaningless piece of paper. Ironically, they have been completely absent since the first climb of the Dolomites.

    Small teams out-performing the big ones.
    Well, are we saying they've up there dope intake? Surely, we can't be saying they've been clean, all through the EPO years etc and have only just taken up juicing?

    So what's the probable cause? I've said it before and it may be unpalatable to some. It's the big teams, carefully monitoring their PED intake that's made the difference. Too many high profile positives has taken the war to the next level. Teams have lowered the doping thresholds.

    Did Sella climb any differently than in other Giros? No, check out his palmares.
    Did the favourites climb as fluently as in passed Giros? Certainly not.

    Just seen another bit of news, set to blacken this year's Tour:-

    En el entorno de Fuentes se sospecha que el nuevo dossier podría oficializarse poco antes del inicio del Tour de Francia.

    Roughly translated:-

    In the environment(?) of Fuentes it is suspected that the new dossier could be made official a short time before the start of the Tour de France.
    Likely to be out for Valverde's blood, :roll: if rumours are accurate.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • colint
    colint Posts: 1,707
    I find this whole thread really sad, if you think the standard of every riders performance is only realted to the quality of the doping then what's the point of watching ? If it's a bad performance = they didn't dope enough, good performance = high doping.

    How can derive any enjoyment from watching the sport if all you can talk about is the doping ? If it's so bad, why don't you turn off and do something else ?

    With respect Blazing, I think you're a bit obsessed about this doping thing. If you can't enjoy it as a sport, why watch ?
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  • micron
    micron Posts: 1,843
    iain I agree - I am a fan of the sport rather than any team. But there does seem to exist a blind devotion to USDiscatana that seems to preclude a knowledge of the sport as a whole in favour of a blinkered, teamcentric view that excludes any aspects of the sport that the team are not involved with. It is this attitude that grates with me and that can make 'fanboys' appear ignorant.

    I agree totally BS - when Kloeden speaks of 'internal doping controls' he knows exactly what he is saying and, as a rider on a UCI protected team, he can put the finger at other, smaller teams knowing that McQuaid will quite happily sacrifice the CSFs of this world so he can preserve the myth of the 'few bad apples'.

    Ironically, Festina introduced a medically supervised team wide doping programme in a pragmatic attempt to protect its riders. Perhaps this is the model the UCI/WADA should now adopt, with a firm spending cap to attempt to introduce parity between all teams and a true 'level playing field'.