Kloden accuses others of naughtiness

Jez mon

I think the situation has actually slightly improved, the 23 riders with odd blood results, Operation Puerto, Iban Mayo's positive for EPO. Admittedly, this is a drop in the Ocean. But OTOH its a start.

As for the Internal managed doping regimes...what is the difference between one team's organised doping regime and another's, Super duper, doping "prevention" system.

I mean if they were one and the same, surely any team could just rename their health regime and become a "clean" team.

OR is there something to the anti-doping systems within teams, Riis fessed up and revealed that EPO had caused him alot of emotional pain, admittedly, it did transform him into climbing god and win him fame and fortune. However, I think that his anti doping efforts are earnest.

Titanium

We don't know. Hiring game keepers lets you learn their methods and the doping control rules say clearly "look guys, we're going to check for this and that and using these methods". You get the feeling the anti-doping programes allow cheating to be internalised and monitored, a way of preventing scandal.

The sport is still going through the motions. In a race you are lucky if three riders get tested at the finish line, that's out of a field of 200. Until we get serious out of competition testing - hello Monaco - some riders will continue to abuse the system. Same goes for blood testing.

I posted on the ol C+ forum for years, but the only thing to stop blood manipulation is a blood test on the start line or at the finish line. Testing a rider 3 hours before the start of a big stage is a waste, the rider just gives the sample and then climbs into the team camper van / coach and the soigneur pulls out a bag of packed red blood cells and suddenly our rider gets blood thicker than ketchup.

dave_1

Titanium wrote:

We don't know. Hiring game keepers lets you learn their methods and the doping control rules say clearly "look guys, we're going to check for this and that and using these methods". You get the feeling the anti-doping programes allow cheating to be internalised and monitored, a way of preventing scandal.

The sport is still going through the motions. In a race you are lucky if three riders get tested at the finish line, that's out of a field of 200. Until we get serious out of competition testing - hello Monaco - some riders will continue to abuse the system. Same goes for blood testing.

I posted on the ol C+ forum for years, but the only thing to stop blood manipulation is a blood test on the start line or at the finish line. Testing a rider 3 hours before the start of a big stage is a waste, the rider just gives the sample and then climbs into the team camper van / coach and the soigneur pulls out a bag of packed red blood cells and suddenly our rider gets blood thicker than ketchup.

Aren't the anti doping systems within the teams based on prodving the results to wada and relatively independent of the team. And can't transfusion of their own blood show afterward in abnoirmal paramaters. Lemond is right and you took the words right out of his month...limit rider movement within 3 hours of the start...no leaving start area, must be signed in 2 or 3 hours before and visible during that time and tested on the line , file through 1 by 1 and be tested as they line up, pin prick and pull the riders off the road as they get found out

Jez mon

Won't testing like that take ages and be very costly. However, by the looks of it some riders have been caught out by the blood passport.

iainf72

Jez mon wrote:

Won't testing like that take ages and be very costly. However, by the looks of it some riders have been caught out by the blood passport.

Pity it's not WADA sanctioned and will be difficult to discipline a riders if they show strangeness.

Jez mon

Ah WADA, an organisation which seems to hate cycling above all other sports. So let me get this straight, the UCI starts looking at at a serious way of trying to combat blood doping, WADA doesn't want to know.

skavanagh.bikeradar

I seem to remember it was a UCI own goal, caused by Verbruggen going after Dick Pound in the courts over something Pound once said (that was true). WADA pulled out.

micron

But WADA will continue to pursue the idea, just not in partnership with the UCI. Therefore, once again, cycling misses out on being in the forefront and has to play catch up - no wonder the sport is always the whipping boy.