Kloden accuses others of naughtiness

iainf72

So, using the forum's erratic "who's clean" rules, if he's accusing someone he must be clean.


This is from the latest Cyclingnews edition

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Klöden had said that he is clean and has been controlled 22 times this year. "Seven of those controls came from within my team. I am controlled by five different entities – WADA [world anti doping agency], NADA [German anti doping agency], UCI [International cycling federation], the Swiss cycling federation and PWC [a private German company conducting anti doping tests - ed.] At the Giro, there are only four teams with a tight control system – Slipstream, High Road, CSC and Astana... [Davide] Rebellin and [Riccardo] Riccò, I don't know how often they have controls like me. I don't want to talk about the team of Priamo."

DaveyL

But he is also using the argument that's he's clean because he's been tested loads of times!

Let's just wait for FVP's pronouncement. He seems to know everything.

iainf72

I wonder if PWC (Price Waterhouse Coopers?) are the company doing the tests for Damsgaard?

Noodley

iainf72 wrote:

...WADA [world anti doping agency], NADA [German anti doping agency], UCI [International cycling federation]...[/i]

Wouldn't it be great if there was to be a Jewish anti-doping agency, YADA.

iainf72

Oi vey!

DaveyL

GroupOfOne MkII

iainf72 wrote:

I don't want to talk about the team of Priamo."

Interesting! I note that CSF Navigare (Matteo Priamo's team) are now consulting their lawyers.

In a brief statement to Cyclingnews before the start of stage 10, Priamo said, "I never had the chance to talk to Klöden. I always thought he was a good person, but that made me change my mind." Stay tuned for more on the matter in the next news edition.

Ding ding, round one.

iainf72

More from the interview

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=re ... &type=lgns

timoid.

I now want Klodi to win the Giro.

CSF is dirty dirty dirty. As are LPR and SD.

GroupOfOne MkII

Think this is the German company Klodi refers to, rather than Price Waterhouse Coopers

http://www.pwc-dopingcontrol.com

donrhummy

While his comments don't help anything I can understand his frustration having been on two teams that get kicked out for others doping.

afx237vi

donrhummy wrote:

While his comments don't help anything I can understand his frustration having been on two teams that get kicked out for others doping.

On the other hand, you think "hang on, Kloden is making snarky comments about dodgy teams when he spent the first 10 years of his career on T-Mobile?"

It does make me look at Kloden in a different light though. Maybe Astana really have cleaned up after all.

dave_1

I like Kloeden more . He is a contender at both TT and RR in Olympics 08 so that really is a hell of a strong statement-to say he will not ride for Germany when he is there best chance of a Gold medal in cycling

blazing_saddles

He's obviously getting hot under the collar over the 57 positive Telecom/T Mobile tests that the German authorities have found.

It's naive to assume that team testing is set up to detect doping. Too many riders getting caught has stimulated some teams to make sure their riders are "flying under the radar".

As for squads like Navigare following suit. Where does he think they are going to find the cash? Their budgets are lucky if they are a third of the size of the big teams and it ain't cheap, just money well invested.

Jez mon

hmm, he's been on some very dirty teams...the pre clean version of T mobile and Astana last year. He's now on a team with a very committed anti doping policy BUT one whose DS is a man whom many believe has a magic way of cheating which turns riders immediately into Grand Tour contenders.

However, if indeed he is a totally clean rider then he's been extremely unfortunate. In a number of Tours he should have had the might of T mobile behind him, instead it was given to Jan. Last year he lost the chance to finish the Tour due to team members.

I'm not sure i totally understand his decision not to ride in the Olympics...surely the best thing would be to go and win a medal in the TT, and make a statement about winning clean.

drenkrom

I'm sure the German media would interpret the win as a "statement about winning clean". Yeah right! If he wins, it'll be because he doped. If he loses, it'll be because he used to dope and lost it when he got off the stuff. There is no way for a cyclist to win with the German media now. I completely understand his decision on that front. Then again, now he won't be going to the Games because he's doping, so he still doesn't win.

As for the comments about other riders, I don't know quite what to think of them. He surely made no friends by actually naming other riders and expressing doubts on them. Has Ricco responded to this yet? Assuming this has to do with his fear of getting caught out doesn't jive with me, though. How much more stupid would he look now that he's made those comments? It makes no sense. But that's assuming cyclists do make sense...

Titanium

The good ol' "I've been tested a thousand times" line.

Instead, I'd like to see his haematocrit count published daily, and for him to get a blood test done minutes before the start of a major stage of the Giro.

blazing_saddles

Titanium wrote:

The good ol' "I've been tested a thousand times" line.

Instead, I'd like to see his haematocrit count published daily, and for him to get a blood test done minutes before the start of a major stage of the Giro.

A good idea. I'd go one further. Randomly test say any given 5 of the top 10 in the GC on major stages.
It might help to cut down on a lot of the speculation and disbelief.

ms_tree

I've never been quite able to make Kloden out. He was always in the shadow of Ulrich and Vino I suppose at Telekom but never got the feeling he took it seriously. Then there was that TT at Sydney when it was alleged he let Vino get 2nd. But then he makes serious points about being worried about his food being spiked but could have stayed with what is now High Road but goes with JB. Perhaps because he doesn't get all emotional then it's difficult to get an opinon of him. :? :?

thamacdaddy

Ms Tree wrote:

Perhaps because he doesn't get all emotional then it's difficult to get an opinon of him. :? :?

He's German you can't blame him for that

secretsqirrel

Klodi certainly seems to have a bit of a raw deal over the years.

During his time at T-Mob Walter Groderfroot (sp?) more or less dismissed him as a possible team leader, even though he clearly had the talent to win a GT, and Vino saw him pretty much as a super-domestique, rather than a co-leader for Astana Mkii.

He has been mis-quoted and misrepresented repeatedly in the German press, especially with regard to the Sinky confessions.

And Buyneel has been less than supportive of him when he took over Astana.

Can't blame him for having a rant, let's hope he can kick ass in the Giro!! 8)

skavanagh.bikeradar

Weirdly I'm starting to warm to Kloden. God knows why he's dropping names like that, but it's spicing things up a bit. What odds he's mysteriously found in a ditch on a descent some time soon?!!

iainf72

skavanagh.bikeradar wrote:

Weirdly I'm starting to warm to Kloden. God knows why he's dropping names like that, but it's spicing things up a bit. What odds he's mysteriously found in a ditch on a descent some time soon?!!

Perhaps it's a twisted dig at High Horse and Slipstream? "HH, Slipstream, CSC and Astana are the only teams you can trust" :P

secretsqirrel

Ah! According to Cyclingnews he says he didn't mention any names;

For his part, a press release by the Astana team said Klöden regrets that he was "misunderstood" in an interview with the Italian newspaper. The German said he never mentioned the name of a team where health controls would be less severe, CSF Group Navigare included.

"I said that - in contrast to many smaller teams - Astana, High Road, Slipstream and CSC have a very tight internal doping control system," said Klöden.

Perhaps just CSF took it personally :twisted:

micron

'internal doping control system'? Controlling the amount of doping that goes on, presumably?

jimmythecuckoo

Timoid. wrote:

I now want Klodi to win the Giro.

CSF is dirty dirty dirty. As are LPR and SD.

That is this week... next week it could all change again

andy_wrx

The riders will know who's doing it or have reasonable suspicions.
Most used to keep quiet and look the other way.
Any who didn't 'spat in the soup' and we know where that got them.

But perhaps the tide is turning.
Only if the riders and team insiders feel doping is not acceptable and they do something about it will it things change.

Perhaps the quiet way of doing things is to have a word with Ms Gripper and then the UCI have their hit-list of riders they concentrate on.

But maybe there's a frustration if this doesn't get results quick enough and the juiced riders are out there beating you on the stages...?

forearms Van Petegem

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Titanium wrote:

The good ol' "I've been tested a thousand times" line.

Instead, I'd like to see his haematocrit count published daily, and for him to get a blood test done minutes before the start of a major stage of the Giro.

A good idea. I'd go one further. Randomly test say any given 5 of the top 10 in the GC on major stages.
It might help to cut down on a lot of the speculation and disbelief.

pity lots of stuff they can take can never be found with the current testing structure

DaveyL

Such as?

blazing_saddles

DaveyL wrote:

Such as?

HGH, is the most obvious example of several. Undetectable after 24 hours, as it is naturally produced by the body.
Experts on this subject (which I'm not) can list others.

As Micron says, the alternative reason for teams to set up an internal monitoring programme, is to make sure riders cannot be detected, having doped up.

As Iain said, How many big riders have been caught this year?
As opposed to, how many times have we seen riders pull out of races, with that old PDM "stomach problems" chestnut?
Well, that is your most likely reason.

It's another jump ahead in the continuing "catch me if you can" battle between the teams and the testers.

DaveyL

Why is HGH only undetectable after 24 h if it is naturally produced by the body? Surely it should be totally undetectable?