Boris....

graeme_s-2

Top_Bhoy wrote:

Boris was good on 'Have I Got News For You'. I think that should count for something. :twisted:

Brian Blessed next for London Mayor then? :roll:

graeme_s-2

ddraver wrote:

BJ will also be under close control of DC and the tory cabinet - no way are they gonna let him spoil their party

Boris is the only Tory in the country who's actually in charge of anything important, so where do you think the real power lies in that relationship now?

spen666

Gavin Gilbert wrote:

I feel sick. I really cannot believe that Londoners voted for the complete ars*. And voted the BNP on to the Assembly too.

So now the investment will dry up, transport will be thrown back 10 years, the tube unions provoked into needless strikes. The roads will clog with cars again, and the much improved air quality will worsen.

All this will impact on jobs. Proper jobs, not the nu-Labour minimum wage McJobs but £50k numbers in finance and media as the Corporates invest resources in locations where their staff will actually be able to get to work in the morning.

So that's me leaving London now. And maybe even the UK.....

goodbye then

spen666

Gavin Gilbert wrote:

TheBoyBilly wrote:

And that's the second time in recent threads you have resorted to puerile insults and bad language (you can't teach me any, believe me), and not just against me. It diminishes your argument and only makes you look small (probably incapable of "constructing a full reply" too)
But seing as you have decended to the language of the sink estate may I quote one of your 'eroes, DelBoy? "There's none so blind as them wot won't listen"

So which part of your cretinous drivel would you have me reply to? Having taken a look at your posting history there is every indication that you are based very far from London. So how in the blue blazes do you know how London works?

The thing is, whilst Dave C likes to dress the Tories up up The Cuddly Conservatives there's still nasty items like you posting crap on web forums proving what a cesspit lies beneath. As Londoners are sadly about to discover.

The only nasty items and insulting behaviour seems to be coming from you- a bad looser-.

You have lots in common with Ken Livingstone and the Labour Party ( once the rapped away.

You rant on about Boris Johnson and the Tories being nasty etc, yeet the repeated nastiness to other comes from you and some of your fellow labour supporters.

It seems it is perfectly ok to be offensive, abusive etc about people if they don't support your politics, but if those people say anything you don't agree with, you run to mummy screaming how horrid they are ( which they may well be- but that is a different issue)

spen666

Parkey wrote:

Ken Livingstone seemed to be the only politician who understood that having a good integrated public transport network is essential. And yes, subsidise it with taxpayer's money because the taxpayer gets more than their money back with all the business and investment that gets attracted by it.

...

It was so integrated, that some Londoners were able to get cheap fares via the er card whereas others weren't owing to where they live.

Its hardly integrated to introduce subsidies that we all contribute to, but can only be accessed by some. Its not means tested, its simply because he rushed into introdcuing the subsidies without bothering to get agreement of all the travel companies in London

spen666

Gavin Gilbert wrote:

ddraver wrote:

To put it another way - you re the first person ive heard come out in favour of ken for a bloody long time!

try reading the rest of the replies. I'm not the only one here appalled by de Pfeffel Johnson as Mayor. Funny how none of the London crowd have come out in favour of Boris.

Strange how you can be appaled by him already. What has he done wrong so far?

Are you so biased and blinkered that you cannot actually decide on the facts rather than your prejudices.

Give him a chance, he may or may not succeeed

OffTheBackAdam

Gavin Gilbert wrote:

The 1st May will go down as probably the biggest sucker moment in post war British history

Nope, you've got your dates wrong there, that was The 2nd May and 1997, when a big chunk of those who could be bothered to vote didn't look beyond Teflon Tony's smile and see the same old, spend & tax Labour lurking there, as this iamge shows.

Interesting to see that you realise that the RMT will cause trouble due to purely political motives, a nice step back to the 70's there and a reminder of what lurks behind the masquerade of the current Labour Party.
Don't worry about the roads clogging with cars, the good, old fashioned, Labour-engineered recession will reduce the number of cars, as will the return to other parts of Europe of the Poles & Baltics, who've been working here, as recession bites and jobs go and the £50K workers go, as companies relocate from the high tax enviroment of London and the UK, to Dublin.
No great surprise about the BNP gaining a seat, parts of London (ie the East End) have never been known for their racial and religious tolerance. Lucky we haven't got Proportional Representation as a voting system, there'd be even more such extremists, both on the right and left.
Anyway Gavin, since we're not in a Socialist Paradise like Cuba or China, you're free to sell up and sod off to any country that will have you.
As for "Funny how none of the London crowd have come out in favour of Boris.", funny, I'd suggest that the results of the vote rather show they have.

Nuggs

OffTheBackAdam wrote:

As for "Funny how none of the London crowd have come out in favour of Boris.", funny, I'd suggest that the results of the vote rather show they have.

The irony wasn't lost on me either...

Sadly, I believe it was unintentional :roll:

iainment

ddraver wrote:

BJ will also be under close control of DC and the tory cabinet - no way are they gonna let him spoil their party

So London bought a pig in a poke then.

Parkey

It wasn't so much a vote as more a Celebrity who wants to be a London Mayor. Boris had the celebrity factor on his side.

Ah well, he's in now. Let's give him a chance...

Eat My Dust

Boris looked bored with the job already when he was on the news last night. I think he saw the job and though "hey, I can do that". TBH I haven't seen him showing any real passion about London. I hope he really fu_ks up.

spen666

Eat My Dust wrote:

Boris looked bored with the job already when he was on the news last night. I think he saw the job and though "hey, I can do that". TBH I haven't seen him showing any real passion about London. I hope he really fu_ks up.

So you want to live in a f*cked up place for the next 4 years?

Strange choices you make- talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face

Eat My Dust

spen666 wrote:

Eat My Dust wrote:

Boris looked bored with the job already when he was on the news last night. I think he saw the job and though "hey, I can do that". TBH I haven't seen him showing any real passion about London. I hope he really fu_ks up.

So you want to live in a f*cked up place for the next 4 years?

Strange choices you make- talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face

Not really. I only work in London. I commute in by bike everyday, so there's not much that would effect me anyhoo. I was kind of hoping that he'll f_ck up bad enough so that he won't see 4 years.

TheBoyBilly

I don't really see how Boris can er, ---- up. Putting Bobbies back on the Beat will be an excellent start (never a high priority for Ken as there was no money in it) and I don't see changing the C-charge doing any harm when you consider the average speed of traffic has gone down since this nonsense was brought in. And it's not exactly a system that other cities are queueing up to introduce is it (ask Manchester). Cleaner air? Do me a favour. The trouble is that these people are holier-than-thou control freaks but this attitude has come back and smacked them in the teeth. I can't help but snigger at Champagne Socialists worrying about their high-paid jobs disappearing (in environmentally-unfriendly, air-conditioned offices). That's the thing about Labour supporters, they all want to be more equal than others. And live in leafy Tory-land.

zoom gordo

ah, billy boy. i see no one likes you on this forum either.

zoom gordo

ps: further proof that tories are thick:

cuba and china - coiuld you get two more radically different countries? They are both run under wildly different interpretations of communism - in chinas case one that is not communism at all but actually something called capitalism.

'tax and spend under labour' yeah right, since their second term labour's been chasing middle england like a lovestruck teenager, shouting about family values, law and order, security. All benefits to traditional labour voters have been rammed through by the EU (hurrah!) against new labours wishes. Taxes are never low enough for tories, there are never enough police, there is always too much crime. However you try and please them they will never be happy. Ever.

is the current economic crisis caused by the minimum wage? no. by immigration? no. by public pensions? no, it's caused by the entreprenurial classes wanking off with other peoples money, pretty much as in 1987. or 1929 or pretty much any economic crisis in history.

and werent the tories, or maggie anyway, toppled by tax... THE POLL TAX?

so, in conclusion middle england tories are basically:
paranoid
mean
small minded
unable to learn from history (or remember how bad the tories fucked up last time)

Gavin Gilbert

Graeme_S wrote:

Top_Bhoy wrote:

Boris was good on 'Have I Got News For You'. I think that should count for something. :twisted:

Brian Blessed next for London Mayor then? :roll:

Shall we count our lucky stars that we didn't end up with Jeremy Clarkson as Mayor? 'cos I seem to recall that peach being discussed a couple of years ago.

Having discussed the matter with a few people back in the real world I've heard more than one offer that 'Boris will make a mess of it but they voted for him anyway as it was time of a change'.

So proof voters do get the governments they deserve.......

TheBoyBilly

Crikey, I've got two of 'em on me case now :roll:

(Although I think I am way behind in the unpopularity stakes in this thread, if you care to read all the posts (I even think GG himself is warming to me )

iainment

TheBoyBilly wrote:

I don't really see how Boris can er, ---- up. Putting Bobbies back on the Beat will be an excellent start (never a high priority for Ken as there was no money in it) and I don't see changing the C-charge doing any harm when you consider the average speed of traffic has gone down since this nonsense was brought in. And it's not exactly a system that other cities are queueing up to introduce is it (ask Manchester). Cleaner air? Do me a favour. The trouble is that these people are holier-than-thou control freaks but this attitude has come back and smacked them in the teeth. I can't help but snigger at Champagne Socialists worrying about their high-paid jobs disappearing (in environmentally-unfriendly, air-conditioned offices). That's the thing about Labour supporters, they all want to be more equal than others. And live in leafy Tory-land.

Maybe that's true of Labour supporters but not of socialists, there's a difference but I doubt it suits you to acknowledge it.

OffTheBackAdam

Ah Zoom.
Yep, The Poll Tax, one of the fairest ways of taxing people for services ever. Care to explain why my mother, aged 79, widdowed and living in the house she and her late husband bought in 1960, should pay more in Council Tax than a family, with say 4 working adults living on a council estate should?
Our dear Labour Government may have been running around and shouting about Law and Order, Family values and do what about it , exactly?
They inherited a stable financial situation from the last Conservative Government, Brown's blown that now.
I'd agree that "Black Wednesday" realy did for Major's administration, but that was a direct result of us joining the ERM, which Labour supported whole-heartedly.
As for the benefits to the traditional Labour voters bought to us by the EU, errrr, what benefits? Let's scrap VAT on say gas and electricity, so OAPs can afford to heat their houses. Oh, we can't, because VAT levels are controlled by the EU.
You've got a job, you want to earn more money to better your life, sorry, Working Time Directive says you can't. Vote for that did you? Nope, EU regulation, you've no say on it.
Education? Didn't dear Teflon Tony bang on about that? And every year the pass rates for GCSEs & A levels increase, whilst employers say that the people who come to them for jobs are less and less literate and numerate, so what does Labour do? Tries to close the best schools and throw everyone into one of their sink comprehensives, want to force more kids to stay on at school, whether they want to or not, try to force Universities to take more students who aren't capable of coping with even the most worthless degree course.
More police? Something wrong with that? Don't you like the idea of more police, actually on the streets, patrolling the sink estates, so those who do want to live there peacefully, keep their cars looking as good as possible, keep their shop open, not be attacked because they aren't in a gang, don't have to worry about getting home after a late shift, because the buses do still run or a taxi will take them onto that estate, so Ambulance and Fire crews can do their jobs without being attacked. Are you happy that if you find a burglar in your house, that when you call the police, they're too busy to attend? That you've got hold of the little druggy, but after an hour, there's still no sign of the police, so you've got to let him go because his yob mates are gathering?
Do you want a return to the days of wildcat strikes & secondary picketing? Is that your idea of a socialist paradise?

spen666

zoom gordo wrote:

ps: further proof that tories are thick:

cuba and china - coiuld you get two more radically different countries? They are both run under wildly different interpretations of communism - in chinas case one that is not communism at all but actually something called capitalism.

'tax and spend under labour' yeah right, since their second term labour's been chasing middle england like a lovestruck teenager, shouting about family values, law and order, security. All benefits to traditional labour voters have been rammed through by the EU (hurrah!) against new labours wishes. Taxes are never low enough for tories, there are never enough police, there is always too much crime. However you try and please them they will never be happy. Ever.

is the current economic crisis caused by the minimum wage? no. by immigration? no. by public pensions? no, it's caused by the entreprenurial classes wanking off with other peoples money, pretty much as in 1987. or 1929 or pretty much any economic crisis in history.

and werent the tories, or maggie anyway, toppled by tax... THE POLL TAX?

so, in conclusion middle england tories are basically:
paranoid
mean
small minded
unable to learn from history (or remember how bad the tories farked up last time)

What do I hear on TV & read in the media today? [obviously if its on TV or in the Media it must be true ]

Oh yes - that's correct - the tax burden on the UK tax payer has risen by 51% ( after allowing for inflation) since Labour came to power in 1997.

Whoops seems to pull the rug from under your feet a bit.

graeme_s-2

OffTheBackAdam wrote:

Are you happy that if you find a burglar in your house, that when you call the police, they're too busy to attend? That you've got hold of the little druggy, but after an hour, there's still no sign of the police, so you've got to let him go because his yob mates are gathering?

Hmm.... you seem to have confused last Friday's episode of Peep Show with some sort of documentary. You are aware that everything you see on TV isn't an accurate reflection of reality? :shock:

Eat My Dust

Graeme_S wrote:

OffTheBackAdam wrote:

Are you happy that if you find a burglar in your house, that when you call the police, they're too busy to attend? That you've got hold of the little druggy, but after an hour, there's still no sign of the police, so you've got to let him go because his yob mates are gathering?

Hmm.... you seem to have confused last Friday's episode of Peep Show with some sort of documentary. You are aware that everything you see on TV isn't an accurate reflection of reality? :shock:

lol, that's what I thought when I read the post!!

ricadus

Gavin Gilbert wrote:

Graeme_S wrote:

Top_Bhoy wrote:

Boris was good on 'Have I Got News For You'. I think that should count for something. :twisted:

Brian Blessed next for London Mayor then? :roll:

Shall we count our lucky stars that we didn't end up with Jeremy Clarkson as Mayor? 'cos I seem to recall that peach being discussed a couple of years ago.

Clarkson is happy enough living in a lighthouse on the Isle of Man, fencing off public footpaths so that ramblers can't gaze through his kitchen window. I doubt he'd be interested in swapping it for the Death Star on the Thames.

squired

Some interesting comments on here. What really worries me at the moment is that we have a Government who are telling us they have the economy as good as it has ever been, with record low levels of unemployment. They have taxed everything that moves. The Americans are kicking up a fuss about the "illegal" aviation tax that will bring in an additional £2bn a year and major companies are threatening to leave the UK due to such high taxes being imposed on them (lets not forget that in this world economy they can move elsewhere if they like). Yet despite these immense tax burdens the country is still running at a defecit - quite scary really.

The way I see it, the Tories will win the next election. They will have to make cuts in benefits and elsewhere to balance the books. People will label them as typical Tories making cuts even though they have no choice....and so the cycle begins again. It reminds me of my local council. Under labour rule it had a defecit of almost £30m, while council tax was increasing seemingly exponentially. The Tories replaced them and immediately set about making cuts to balance the books. Labour accused them of being typical Tories, but what choice did they have?

I really don't care who runs the country, as long as it is done properly. I sincerely believe that the Labour party has done major damage to the UK during their term in charge. Taxing everything that moves (and most things that don't) while still not balancing the books is unforgivable.

pliptrot

We've had business friendly policies since 1979 and we now have an enormous national debt -we are pretty much reliant now on the largesse of East Asia so that they don't call in the IOUs and make the Uk destitute - the worst inequality in wealth since the 1950s (and worsening) and some kind of London-centric machine which allows us all to ignore the poverty in the rest of the UK (and in much of London). If the UK - as Labour (and the Tories before) would have us believe- has outpaced the rest of Europe, then why the hell do we have (including the millions on disability benefits, done only to disguise the truth) greater unemployment, cannot afford decent public services and have the worst health care system in the developed world? (with the notable exception of the US).

As for OffthebackAdam's comments on fair taxation - given that he has pretty much the same expectations on defense, health and so-on as Richard Branson, would he like the same tax bill? Of course not. Taxation needs to be progressive, so that the haves help the have-nots. To argue otherwise is to advocate anarchy. If you don't like the working time directive - then opt out. You can, and most employers quietly ask you to. I can understand the resentment about Europe - after all the Germans (the largest exporting nation in the world) are at home on Friday afternoons, happy in the knowledge that they are richer, more secure and have a better quality of life than than the Brits who hate the idea of good pension provision, decent health care and the like. Can't you hear the sound of angels weeping? As for council tax - the old folk in the big house have a choice - as the large family in the council house probably do not. Many people find themselves off-the-back in life through no fault of their own. A little egalitarian thinking makes the world a better place. We've had more than enough of me-first-and-to-hell-with-the-consequences.

graham_g

squired wrote:

Some interesting comments on here. What really worries me at the moment is that we have a Government who are telling us they have the economy as good as it has ever been, with record low levels of unemployment. They have taxed everything that moves. The Americans are kicking up a fuss about the "illegal" aviation tax that will bring in an additional £2bn a year and major companies are threatening to leave the UK due to such high taxes being imposed on them (lets not forget that in this world economy they can move elsewhere if they like). Yet despite these immense tax burdens the country is still running at a defecit - quite scary really.

The way I see it, the Tories will win the next election. They will have to make cuts in benefits and elsewhere to balance the books. People will label them as typical Tories making cuts even though they have no choice....and so the cycle begins again. It reminds me of my local council. Under labour rule it had a defecit of almost £30m, while council tax was increasing seemingly exponentially. The Tories replaced them and immediately set about making cuts to balance the books. Labour accused them of being typical Tories, but what choice did they have?

I really don't care who runs the country, as long as it is done properly. I sincerely believe that the Labour party has done major damage to the UK during their term in charge. Taxing everything that moves (and most things that don't) while still not balancing the books is unforgivable.

I've reached the same conclusion - it's almost a bit of a ying/yang thing.

Clever Pun

OffTheBackAdam wrote:

You've got a job, you want to earn more money to better your life, sorry, Working Time Directive says you can't. Vote for that did you? Nope, EU regulation, you've no say on it.

More police?

woah woah woah there I've cut your post down to a few bits I think need addressing (that I know anything about)

you can sign a waver against the directive and any firm with a competant workforce will suggest you do so... there no point getting all anti europe as frankly I think it's better over there...

I assume you're talking about police on the streets? this means they have less at the stations doing paperwork and chasing up on cases (unless they're in the news) there isn't enough money for cops to research crimes as it is they need more investment otherwise loads of crimes will continue to go unsloved.

spen666

Clever Pun wrote:

OffTheBackAdam wrote:

..... there no point getting all anti europe as frankly I think it's better over there...

...

Thats ok then- you think its better in europe so no one else can have a differing opinion?

Very democratic

OffTheBackAdam

Clever Pun wrote:

you can sign a waver against the directive and any firm with a competant workforce will suggest you do so... there no point getting all anti europe as frankly I think it's better over there...

Where you can't opt out.
Where the cost of employing someone, who you can't easily get rid of if the business takes a downturn, is so high, that companies are reluctant to expand their workforce in good times.
You can bet your bottom Dollar/Euro that our opt-out is something that our European neighbours want to get rid of.
The police are spending too much time filing in paperwork, uneccesary paperwork, quite a chunk of it to appease the race relations industry!