Lemond free to say what he likes now?
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Oh for crying out loud. How long were Lemond and Grewal riding together??!! If it was just once or very brief it is possible that Grewal doesn't recall it or count it?0
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Irish riders don't do drugs. Nor do the swimmers. Or the horses. :shock:Dan0
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skavanagh.bikeradar wrote:Oh for crying out loud. How long were Lemond and Grewal riding together??!! If it was just once or very brief it is possible that Grewal doesn't recall it or count it?
in 89 Lemond struggled in Tour Du Pont and admitted taking Iron injections in the Giro 89.0 -
Quite understandably, I think he had iron injections to help his recovery from being shot. His hematocrit had dropped to something like 17, according to the man himself. He says that if epo had been around at the time (and I'm assuming this is medically speaking) he would have been a dead cert to receive it as treatment.Le Blaireau (1)0
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I like Lemond. I thought the mag with him as editor was one of the best I'd seen.
I dont think Lemond was a doper - look at the stuff he's thrown out against lance and Floyd - they would have got some counter allegations against him to hush him up if there was anything to be found.
Grewal doesnt implicate Greg - he just doesnt say that he hadnt doped. From what we can see - it doesnt look like they were close at all - so how would he know ?
Lemond was a classy rider.0 -
Anyone who took on Trek, Armstrong and Landis would have to be supremely confident that no doping mud could be slung at him and stick... I mean even if you know you've never done it, u'd still be worried that something would arise somewhere...
I want to think, as probably all of us do, that Greg is the man to finally stand up to armstrong and his army.
And to think Lance was my hero!0 -
isnt grewal that sikh olympic champion who rode with kimmage for a bit????0
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I remember the original Lemond bikes - I hankered after a GLX frame about 1992, but after the deal with Trek, they kinda lost their appeal . Let's hope he relauches his brand with someone who shares his values. Quite clearly, the gnomes who run Trek are more influenced by the $$ and legal representation of a certain rider.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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Lemond is right to stand up to Armstrong/Trek and their legal team. At the time in 02 there was actually a pop up message on his website stating his legal retraction...it was that serious to Lemond. Perhaps Greg will finally muster the evidence, the sources to bring down livestrong? He can calll witnesses, even Dr Ferrari I guess,,,should he wish?0
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why do you want him to bring down livestrong?
who cares if its run by lance (a god, but not as good and merckx or hinault)? it is a great help for cancer which is a terrible disease.0 -
My thoughts too. It would be a pretty stupid move to speak so clearly, and publicly, if there were skeletons waiting to come forth; and I don't think Greg is that stupid. I bought the LeMond issue of Pro Cycling, I might just read it again before bed while I sup my mug of cocoa laced with banned substances.Moomaloid wrote:Anyone who took on Trek, Armstrong and Landis would have to be supremely confident that no doping mud could be slung at him and stick... I mean even if you know you've never done it, u'd still be worried that something would arise somewhere...
Trek's public move has all the marks of a big firm wanting to dispose of a subsidiary. They have shot across LeMond's bows before, now they just want him off the books. It's convenient that it could paint Greg as a whining loser and poor business partner, whatever the reality.
It's been said before by many others, but Saint Lance's 'denials' re. doping etc are hardly that, especially as he was winning at a time when EPO was rife in the pro peloton. Saying "I've never been caught" then scaring people off with his lawyers isn't 100% convincing IMHO. I'm not saying he's guilty but the circumstantial evidence doesn't look good. There's a huge amount at stake - a vast number of people would be more than a touch disappointed if it ever got out that he cheated, even if it was only the same as the other cheats of the day. I wish I could believe the story but I'm just too old and cynical.Aspire not to have more, but to be more.0 -
Moomaloid wrote:Anyone who took on Trek, Armstrong and Landis would have to be supremely confident that no doping mud could be slung at him and stick... I mean even if you know you've never done it, u'd still be worried that something would arise somewhere...
I want to think, as probably all of us do, that Greg is the man to finally stand up to armstrong and his army.
And to think Lance was my hero!
exactly...Landis and his mates were reduced to threatening to tell people about Lemond's sexual abuse...one assumes they looked high and low for any dirt there could possibly have been to throw at Lemond. Armstrong too. Greg has nothing to hide I reckon , his reputation would be on the line and he would surely not damage his legacy if he knew he had stuff to hide0 -
Dunno. LeMond is walking on a slippery slope, his team La Vie Claire was doped to the guts while he raced with the team......
Added the drug&alcohol abuse he had after retiring, makes sence.... Doper.0 -
This thread is like something out of the twilight zone. I'm putting my money on Lemond being clean as there is a peleton full of people who (if you believe everything you read) would be happy to grass him up as a doper. That nobody has despite his very public stance on doping and his brush with Landis and his legal team and now Trek and Armstrong is a strong indication for me that he's nothing to hide.0
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Kléber wrote:
'king hell.
Wonder how many rubber sheets the person doing this gets through a night?
He's retired. Move on.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:
Indeed. Call it a hunch, but I don't think that website will be around for long.0 -
How do you mean rubber sheets?Dan0
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flattythehurdler wrote:How do you mean rubber sheets?
For the bedwetters behind the page.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Not sure if this has already been posted but have you seen the presentation Trek 'gave' to their employees on this?
http://www.trekbikes.com/pdf/media/en/T ... _FINAL.pdf
What kind of company does that?0 -
Blimey. Let me know when lemond bikes arent part of Trek. I think I'll buy one !0
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andyp wrote:Not sure if this has already been posted but have you seen the presentation Trek 'gave' to their employees on this?
http://www.trekbikes.com/pdf/media/en/T ... _FINAL.pdf
What kind of company does that?
The kind that communicates with its employees?0 -
I like the quotes from customers: “Thanks to Greg’s comments in the press recently, I would never even consider buying your product.”
It works both ways. Thanks to their ways today and this slimy attitude, I'll forget everything to do with Trek. I won't even buy a Bontrager inner tube.0 -
Kléber wrote:I like the quotes from customers: “Thanks to Greg’s comments in the press recently, I would never even consider buying your product.”
It works both ways. Thanks to their ways today and this slimy attitude, I'll forget everything to do with Trek. I won't even buy a Bontrager inner tube.
Are you buying a Lemond though?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Every company I've ever worked for distinguishes between internal and external communications so why on earth would a big brand (in bike industry terms) like Trek do this?Captain Fagor wrote:The kind that communicates with its employees?
I'd be prepared to wager that Trek employees didn't see that presentation in that form as it's clearly a (external) PR stunt.0 -
No! The guy isn't a charity case. But everything else being equal if I was in the market for a bike and his bike was identical to the other model I was considering, then yes.
LeMond has been producing gym bikes and other goods with his name that are not made by Trek, so they are right to be concerned about the control over the brand.
But it's clear they're dumping him because he's speaking inconvenient truths that have an impact on Trek's sales figures. Fairplay, sport, honesty and integrity fly out of the window when it comes to Trek's sales targets
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Page 19 of the presentation is hilarious! 'Greg is a whining sore loser....' I wonder what would constitute a successful career if his is now summed up by the word 'loser'.0
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andyp wrote:
Every company I've ever worked for distinguishes between internal and external communications so why on earth would a big brand (in bike industry terms) like Trek do this?Captain Fagor wrote:The kind that communicates with its employees?
I'd be prepared to wager that Trek employees didn't see that presentation in that form as it's clearly a (external) PR stunt.
You're probably right about it being a PR stunt, but I know from working for an American company that they do send out some strange stuff.0
