Lemond free to say what he likes now?
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LeMond is a lunatic.
His La Vie Claire team was doped to the gills and he was riding clean.
Sure......
Believe it if you want, I don't buy anything the man says.0 -
We don't know the full reasons behind this. It's easy to say Lemond is a thorn in the side of the Armstrong clique, with his insinuations of rampant doping and so Trek is trying to wash itself of these allegations, despite the cost of dropping a major bike brand. But there could be more to it, Greg seems to be an erratic guy with many different business ventures and who needs Lemond when you have Armstrong? I think the idea is to revive their Klein business.
That said, the day Armstrong gets exposed in public, Trek might well regret dropping Greg.0 -
Even if he did partake, and it's a big if, then what would he have taken? Amphetamines?Cortisoids? Not exactly serious stuff in performance enhancing terms.0
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andyp wrote:Even if he did partake, and it's a big if, then what would he have taken? Amphetamines?Cortisoids? Not exactly serious stuff in performance enhancing terms.
Cheating is cheating whether done for duty, profit or fun.
I know what you're saying, but if he used cortisoids and won a race, how can we be sure they weren't the reason?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Good luck to Greg lemond. Lance Armstrong will be worried as the media will be able to revisit his past I imagine as Bill Stapleton wrote the retraction for Lemond as Trek demanded> We will here that recounted in court and Lemond can accuse... Lemond can call witnesses...another can of worms opens :roll:
I think Lemond would not criticse if he had skeletons to hide...Lemond was clean IMO0 -
iainf72 wrote:Kléber wrote:That said, the day Armstrong gets exposed in public, Trek might well regret dropping Greg.
What if Greg got exposed? I know it's pretty much the unthinkable but what if there is something in Grewal's comments.
Iain, I never read that into Grewal's comments...Grewal was at 84 Olympics, Lemond not...hard to see where they were on the team together...lemond was slow anyway, his times on Alpe du Huex were slow, his TDf record TT was downhill in tailwind...he of 1990 would not even have been the level of a domestique to Virenque in 1997 he was that bad...0 -
Dave_1 wrote:
Iain, I never read that into Grewal's comments...Grewal was at 84 Olympics, Lemond not...hard to see where they were on the team together..
Coors Light.
His comment was made in the paper edition of Velonews. He said everyone crossed the line except Steve Bauer.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
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iainf72 wrote:Dave_1 wrote:
Iain, I never read that into Grewal's comments...Grewal was at 84 Olympics, Lemond not...hard to see where they were on the team together..
Coors Light.
His comment was made in the paper edition of Velonews. He said everyone crossed the line except Steve Bauer.
Holy shit... :shock: :shock: no? Fuck...you can bet LA's lawyers will have made contact. Coors light 89...Lemond did Tour du Pont :shock: :shock:0 -
iainf72 wrote:
Zanoli's story is a sad one, junior world champ 86, then jailed post cycling for cannabis dealing and then died of a heart attack in 03 ...I feel it is a little sick of whoever it was that made that, to plaster that over him.0 -
Dave_1 wrote:
Zanoli's story is a sad one, junior world champ 86, then jailed post cycling and died of a heart attack in 03 ...I feel it is a little sick of whoever it was that made that, to plaster that over him.
Agreed, it's pretty tasteless. But the interweb isn't one for good taste.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Dave_1 wrote:
Zanoli's story is a sad one, junior world champ 86, then jailed post cycling and died of a heart attack in 03 ...I feel it is a little sick of whoever it was that made that, to plaster that over him.
Agreed, it's pretty tasteless. But the interweb isn't one for good taste.
I will have to go back over Alexei's G's comments.....Greg was like the one clean rider...there's nobody else to believe in.0 -
Oh come on! :roll:iainf72 wrote:Dave_1 wrote:
Iain, I never read that into Grewal's comments...Grewal was at 84 Olympics, Lemond not...hard to see where they were on the team together..
Coors Light.
His comment was made in the paper edition of Velonews. He said everyone crossed the line except Steve Bauer.
Grewal *may* have ridden one minor race with Lemond in 1989 and yet this is conclusive proof he doped. I think I'd need just a little more proof. Is that the only time they rode on the same team?0 -
If there is one ex-pro cyclist on the face of this planet who has NOTHING to lose by saying the absolute truth about cycling, it is Grewal.
Grewal has nothing to protect in cycling, the absolute opposite of Lemond, whose only currency is his past glory. If I have to decide between believing the illuminated bum or the shrewd businessman, I will listen to the bum 100% of the time.0 -
Are Trek just clearing the way for a new 'Armstrong' brand of bikes?
Either way I think this may end up biting Trek on the bum. It would appear LeMond holds much more respect than Armstrong in the cycling community, and I can see a backlash coming.I was only joking when I said
by rights you should be bludgeoned in your bed0 -
Salsiccia wrote:Are Trek just clearing the way for a new 'Armstrong' brand of bikes?
Either way I think this may end up biting Trek on the bum. It would appear LeMond holds much more respect than Armstrong in the cycling community, and I can see a backlash coming.
The cycling community don't buy the majority of Treks product, the Great Unwashed do. They believe in Lance and those that have even heard of Lemond would reckon he's a jealous, bitter man.
Sure it may cost Trek some sales but you can bet that someone has worked this out to the last cent.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
It'll cost Trek nowt, the majority don't believe Armstrong doped and he's not part of ancinet history. I'd say the vast majority of Trek's target market weren't even conceived, let alone born, when Lemond was at his peak.Remember that you are an Englishman and thus have won first prize in the lottery of life.0
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Has there ever been any suggestion from anyone that LeMond ought to watch himself in that glass house of his? He's been so openly critical of Armstrong and doping in the pro peleton that you'd think attempts to discredit him - particularly by Landis' legal team - would have found out something from someone. Perhaps they did and I missed it?0
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andyp wrote:iainf72 wrote:Oh come on! :roll:
Grewal *may* have ridden one minor race with Lemond in 1989 and yet this is conclusive proof he doped. I think I'd need just a little more proof. Is that the only time they rode on the same team?
But he competed against him for years, from the junior ranks.
I don't know. You don't know. Everyone likes to take a huge leap of faith on what Greg says but based on what? That he wouldn't use EPO?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
LangerDan wrote:
The cycling community don't buy the majority of Treks product, the Great Unwashed do. They believe in Lance and those that have even heard of Lemond would reckon he's a jealous, bitter man.
Exactly. And how many of the cycling community here own a Lemond bike? Or have even considered buying one?
Not many I would hazard.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
I own one and have for four years now. They must be selling them or bike shops would stock so many of them!0
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Lemond bikes have been one of the top-5 selling brands in the US. Not as big as Trek, Specialized or Cannondale but they sell more than Cervelo and Litespeed combined.
Trek says Lemond has been undercutting Trek dealers, selling his own bikes for less than the agreed retail price. But I do suspect a chance for Trek to "get rid of this troublesome man" and they're leaping at it. Bring on the congressional hearings into doping and to watching a certain Texan being called to explain himself in public hearings and being investigated by the FBI...0 -
I've got a LeMond too, excellent bike.0
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andyp wrote:
Oh come on! :roll:iainf72 wrote:Dave_1 wrote:
Iain, I never read that into Grewal's comments...Grewal was at 84 Olympics, Lemond not...hard to see where they were on the team together..
Coors Light.
His comment was made in the paper edition of Velonews. He said everyone crossed the line except Steve Bauer.
Grewal *may* have ridden one minor race with Lemond in 1989 and yet this is conclusive proof he doped. I think I'd need just a little more proof. Is that the only time they rode on the same team?
I looked through the text of Grewal's essay on velonews, but did not see the reference to Lemond at coors light re doping...maybe I was tired though..0 -
Dave_1 wrote:I looked through the text of Grewal's essay on velonews, but did not see the reference to Lemond at coors light re doping...maybe I was tired though..
It's not in the essay.
It's in the paper edition of the magazine and ALL he says is that the only person he rode with who didn't cross the line was Bauer.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Dave_1 wrote:I looked through the text of Grewal's essay on velonews, but did not see the reference to Lemond at coors light re doping...maybe I was tired though..
It's not in the essay.
It's in the paper edition of the magazine and ALL he says is that the only person he rode with who didn't cross the line was Bauer.
amazing if true...Lemond seems too clever to me to be gunning for Lance when he fears , if he fears, others have dirt on him0 -
There's an Irish rider in that Coors Light photo - I wonder if he's included in Grewals list of offenders?'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0
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LangerDan wrote:There's an Irish rider in that Coors Light photo - I wonder if he's included in Grewals list of offenders?
Mcormack?0
